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AA Pilot Arrested In Honolulu  
User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 22
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/kitv/20020511/lo/1191548_1.html


II Cor. 4:17-18
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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

If the magic wand sounded when it was waived at his shoes, then she should have taken his shoes off. Plain and simple. It only takes a couple of minutes. And I'm sure it was probably just his shoe buckle or something. Now everything is probably going to suspect he was hiding something.


Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineBoeing747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

I wonder what will happen with this Pilot, will he loose his job? I hope not, I mean we all have bad days too you know! Just takes one thing to push us over the edge. And I think that screener is milking it a bit, oueeww a coat sleeve to the eye, how many times has that happened to you in your life, yeah it stings, but 3 minutes later you eye is fine. G'me a break! Let the man go, for heaven sakes!!

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

I think it's a bit ambitious to expect that everyone will be cheerful and cooperative 100% of the time, particularly the flight crews who have to endure this day in, day out. I sometimes get irritated too, and I don't fly every day as they do.

I don't know the answer, but you can't just arrest people for not being nice. Eventually, we'll all be in jail!

Pete


User currently offlineAddi375 From France, joined Jun 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Flight attendants and pilots go through this everyday. Even non-revs

I went on vacation and evertime I boarded the airplane, especially in HNL, I was selected. I found the screeners in HNL a little rude and showed very little regard for people and thier belongings.

I am not condoning the actions of this pilot, I was not there to witness it, but after a while you get tired of it all.

When I asked the gate agent (not the screener) why I was being selected she said that non-revs and the crew are especially pron to searches.

If we as crew members have to go through this everytime, why don't the caters, baggage loaders and the rampers go through the same thing?

Just my question.



Walmart prices with Bloomies service...........
User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Flight attendants and pilots go through this everyday. Even non-revs

Absolutely agree with this.

I went on vacation and evertime I boarded the airplane, especially in HNL, I was selected. I found the screeners in HNL a little rude and showed very little regard for people and thier belongings.

This seems to depend on who works the security area when you show up. sometimes, it is good, sometimes not.

I am not condoning the actions of this pilot, I was not there to witness it, but after a while you get tired of it all.

Absolutely.

When I asked the gate agent (not the screener) why I was being selected she said that non-revs and the crew are especially pron to searches.

My theory about this is because we are "easy" and have a greater need to keep "quiet" if we do not want our jobs threatened.

If we as crew members have to go through this everytime, why don't the caters, baggage loaders and the rampers go through the same thing?

Here is where you lost me. We do go through this day in and day out (at least at DFW, we do). I used to take my shoes off to make passage easier, but was getting the "random" search about 3 out of 5 days of the workweek. Now, I just keep the shoes on,beep everyday,and deal with it. Actually, for increased safety onboard, I recommend that every employee wear something that makes that thing beep. Then, the security screeners will be forced to do a random search on a passenger, because they will be all that is left to select.


User currently offlineAddi375 From France, joined Jun 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

NonRevMan
I am in MIA and its just what I see here.
The cateres come with the extra cart and the agent just waves them on, same thing with the rampers but when we (the crew) turn up soemtimes I feel like I have to leave a DNA sample just to get on.

I am all for extra security but there has to be a balance somewhere out there.

I am just having a bad day, pay no attention to me rambling on.



Walmart prices with Bloomies service...........
User currently offlineFoxhunter From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

I had a co-pilot tell me that when he, his wife, and 5 year old son were returning from vacation that they were selected to be searched at the gate. His 5 year old had a G.I. Joe doll. Well G.I. Joe has guns, and other weapons. These weapons were seized by these highly qualified, highly trained, well respected security professionals. The 5 year old was in tears, and could not understand why his toys were being taken away. Neither can I.

User currently offlineDC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Some security screener are total idiots.

Before each cleaner climbs the Jetway to the plane, they're screened, which I understand, but us ground crew workers are never screened. Every one in a while, right in the middle of me doing my job, a screener will come up and insist to wave the metal detector past me or my colleauges. I just don't get it.

I'm sure that pilot didn't mean any harm, but when you put a necktie on a G.E.D.-educated screener, they think they're almighty and above everyone else.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

At the very least, the pilot should have to pay the full cost of the delayed flight. That will teach him some humility.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

It will be interesting to see whether the pilot is exonerated. I hope the video indicates that the searcher was rude and that the search was more like harassment. All things equal, I want to go with the pilot in this case. For Pete's sake, he's a senior captain with AA. Leave his shoes alone!


II Cor. 4:17-18
User currently offlineMd88captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1329 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Some security personnel screw with the flightcrew. I've felt like this guy many times.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Well, let's not draw conclusions. Perhaps the pilot was being difficult, or it could have been the security guy. Or both.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Since 9/11 I have seen many times pilots and copilots get a complete and thorough going over by the screeners. some of the screeners even have a smirk on their face, unable to even communicate in any thing other than one sylable words. I just pass it off as jealousy and envy on the screeners part towards the flight crew. For after all the flights crews are better paid, better educated with many benefits that the screeners lack in their profession. Its a sad scene and a sad state of affairs.

User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Addi375-After reading your comments, I asked my husband(he works for Delta) why this happens, also because the same thing has happened to me in the past frequently. He said that because we as no-revs have last minute check-ins and usually one way boarding cards, the computer is programmed to "spit" out our names. When I have gone through these problems at security points, I asked one time(in MCO-very nice people I dealt with down there) why this might be happening. The supervisor there told me, now this is find of funny, that because my carry-on bag is black leather the checkers have been told to be on alert to these kinds of bags. Don't know why, but they are. What do you guys think of that?

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Just another example of how the United States has turned into a nation of paranoid, bedwetting cowards, fearful that there's a towel head lurking around every corner. How pathetic. America needs a healthy dose of COURAGE.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

What will the screeners do if the pilots are authorized to carry guns. "Excuse me sir. Would you kindly put that .45 on the counter and pass through the metal detector." Like a pilot needs a gun to take over an airplane. All he, or she, need do is wait for the other cockpit crew to go take a piss then simply lock the door. VOILA! Aircraft in hands of nefarious person.
I agree with PROSA on this.



Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

What will the screeners do if the pilots are authorized to carry guns. "Excuse me sir. Would you kindly put that .45 on the counter and pass through the metal detector." Like a pilot needs a gun to take over an airplane. All he, or she, need do is wait for the other cockpit crew to go take a piss then simply lock the door. VOILA! Aircraft in hands of nefarious person.

I suppose that risk could be minimized somewhat by having a F/A wait in the cockpit while the other crew member answers the call of nature. But it won't eliminate the risk - the nefarious crew member need only wait until the F/A is someone he can physically overpower. I sort of suspect that the typical female F/A is no match physically for the typical pilot or first officer.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

That AA Captain need some ZOLOFT to calm himself down after all this happened..... What do you think......?

baec


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

If he threw his shoes and really did hurt the screener, then anyone else doing the same thing would also probably be arrested. The fact that he's in uniform should rightly make his immature behavior more suspicious to security people. Also, I don't know for sure, but more than likely he just finished a "tough" overnight at a Honolulu hotel before flying back to Dallas. Also, he likely works 10-12 days a month at most.

So, we're supposed to feel sympathy that this guy has a stressful job and is sick of its many hassles? This same guy would have no problem throwing anyone off his plane and having them arrested if someone threw their shoes at flightcrew. He's just a childish jackass who deserves what he gets.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

true! the pilot can take over the plane, he might not need to do that because he is already in control. I guess, that they should go easy on pilots. If they take me out as a flight attendant, i don't mind.. but pilots.. well seems stupid to me

User currently offlineAddi375 From France, joined Jun 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Thanks for the explanation Skyhawk.


When I was leaving on vacation this is what happened, now I want someone to tell me if this is not just a little out there......my two bags (the carry one plus my tote), They both have my crew tags on and I have my ID on clearly displayed. Now I just bought a cup of coffee so I had my little waist bag out. The big fat stupid red-neck (please forgive that comment) told me that he wasnt letting me through because I had 3 pieces. He stopped me and held up the line so that I could open my bag and put my little fanny pack in the bag. Yeah I feel safe with Bubba looking out at things.

Coming home at the gate as usual I was the last one to get a boarding pass and the screener decided she was going to take out everything out my bags and go through them. I got the boarding pass and it took me another 20 mins to get on the airplane. The purser came out and wanted to know what was going on. He told me not to worry about it because it happened to him the other day.

Another incident.......there was a no show F/A for one of my flights and flilght attendant ops sent a standby f/a to take her place. Now I guess no one advised the gate of what was going on but when the new F/A turned up, the screener would not let the gate agent let him on the flight.

I dont know what point I am trying to make here, but I guess I just had to vent and let it out because it all just annoys me.

I hope I offended no one with my comments above and I definately do not want to stur up a hornets nest.



Walmart prices with Bloomies service...........
User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Addi375,

I hear you  Smile By far, you will not be alone in the security rants. Count me in.

Likely, most of us dont have a problem with the needed increase in security measures. The problem is that the new measures are proving to be nothing but a knee jerk reaction that is either targeting the wrong people or not even helping at all. This is what is angering so many people.

As for the pilot, it would be hard to make an assumption of what happened unless we all saw the video.

Maybe security can actually be improved to where it does look for signs of trouble. I have no problem with a true random search, because no one could assume that they would have a greater/lesser chance of being selected. Also, if people could be trained to look for truly suspicious behavior instead of taking some kid's GI Joe toy away from him, or taking someone's medal of honor, or making someone drink his science project, things would maybe get better.


User currently offlineAddi375 From France, joined Jun 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

AMEN
Thank NonRevMan.

To me, the whole thing is a big joke. I see these screeners everyday and this is what you get when you have a position when the minimum education requirement is a GED. So as not to come off as being a snob, let me say right here and now that there is nothing wrong with having a GED or anything wrong with the person who has a GED BUT you get what you pay for.

Screen the screeners. Dont give them the job just because they are a citizen. And for heavens sake, give them the proper training.

Please I am begging, do not put Bubba in a uniform because this just makes it worst. No more Barny Fife complex please.



Walmart prices with Bloomies service...........
User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

I agree with everything that's been said. As a poster who flies for American Eagle put it here once, he's the PILOT OF THE PLANE, for Christ's sake. Why check his shoes? It doesn't make a difference if he's got a weapon, because he's already got control of the plane!

Just another instance of feel-good security measures taken too far.

And a word on federalization of airport security: What's that gonna do? The federal government can't even count votes in Florida correctly (not to mention the 18 different definitions of "child" in the federal tax code), much less run a highly scientific airport security operation. I think we let feel-good but futile "security measures" cause us to lose sight of the forest for the trees.

Just my $0.025 worth.


25 Pilot1113 : I totally sympathize with this pilot. In my opinion he shouldn't be charged with anything. It gets old after a while when you're stopped at every secu
26 Pilot1113 : April 25, 2002 (UPI International) Kansas City – An American Airlines flight enroute from Los Angeles to JFK airport in New York City was diverted t
27 Vh-daq : HAHAHAHAHA badoom tsh! hooroo DAQ
28 Lahaina : I was on a flight from LAX to HNL recently. Had a black carry on bag full of presents. Went through security one without problems. Just right before b
29 Post contains images Ah414211 : GI Joe's weapons were taken from the crying child because the regulations state that "toy weapons" are prohibited items. This is a federal rule and th
30 Alaskaairlines : Sure hope that pilot gets released! BTW, do you know what type of aircraft he was suppossed to take back across the water? -Dmitry
31 Acidradio : I was working on the ramp at DTW soon after they opened and brought all my suitcases with me so I could catch a late flight home after work. This moro
32 Parra : FA's have access to the cockpit and therefore they are in a good position to potentially hijack the plane, therefore they should be searched just like
33 Erasmus : Pilot113, That's a great post!!!
34 Travelin man : I am one of the last people to defend the new bizarre, often-poorly implemented, and seemingly random security measures that are a result of 9/11. But
35 Sleekjet : The pilot was scheduled to fly flight #8 back. I'm too lazy to look up the aircraft.
36 Alaskaairlines : Thanks! I will go check to see which aircraft. And it is a 767 indeed. -Dmitry
37 Post contains images Delta777-XXX : Someone who has access to that kind of information... let us know whether he looses his job or not! Hank
38 Ual777contrail : i see pilots and flight crews throw temper tantroms all day long.i hope this pilot gets what he deserves.these crews including a few reading this need
39 Gnomon : I made this point earlier: The pilot is the PILOT, and has control of the plane. It doesn't matter if a pilot has a weapon or not (e.g. EgyptAir 990).
40 Pilot1113 : >>these idiot pilots want the planes safe but dont want to sacrifice to have it. I'm all for tight security, but if you're going to apply it -- apply
41 Kevindca : If security screeners began to check anyone wearing a uniform more leniently than anyone else, I doubt it would take long for any dim-witted terrorist
42 Areopagus : That article says that the pilot threw his shoes up in the air. It doesn't say he hit the screener with them. Then it says the screener was hit in the
43 Artsyman : I don't care if it is law, taking G.I Joes weapons from the 5yr old is plain stupid. Are you guys aware that the gun that GI Joe holds is just under 1
44 Ual777contrail : artsyman, like pilot1113 said that "i'm all for tight security,if your going to apply it-apply it for everyone" that is why a 5 year olds gi-joe guns
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