Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans  
User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

There has been alot of talk about a new aircraft design by Boeing in the 200-250 seat range outside of the Sonic Cruiser. Should Boeing NOT do this, and instead decide to revamp the 767, what exactly is there left to do??

18 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

There is probably a market for a 767NG. I.E. a new version of the 762 could be the 767-700, a new 300 could be the 767-800 etc.

New wings, overheads, tweaks to the aerodynamic design, different engines, etc. would probably be the only changes to get slightly better cost savings than what the current product designs now.

It would be foolish to create a brand new airplane.


User currently offlineKFRG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

I agree with you Scj>Sfo, too many people on this board are naive in thinking Boeing must develop a brand new design, just going by the fact that the B767 is 20 years old. I would love for some people to come up with the "major improvements" which this new design would incorporate.

Peace out,
-Tom


User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Well, frankly I just want them to keep the 767 because I think its a good plane for the passengers. (4 out of 7 seats in coach are isle)... I'm just unsure as to what exactly can be done to improve the economics of the plane and make it appealing to airlines.

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

What's wrong with the current 767?! They are extremely fuel efficient and economical planes to operate on short, medium, and long routes. All newly built 767's have the option to have a 777 cockpit and interior.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

What is about goes on with as for guys. So do you think ever will have new aircraft B767-500/600/700LR or ER?? Are you will keeping guess that will built a new one as for the future? Well, if you like to sent it to me a picture as for future aircraft new airplanes. Thanks!

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

All this talk of a 767NG has been generated by little mutterings and what not here on a.net

Boeing would only need a 767NG if they were not serious about the Sonic Cruiser. They would probably have about the same timeframe for a 767NG that they currently have for the SC.

The only way you will see a 767NG is if the SC is a bluff. Otherwise, it is a rather redundant product.

George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Besides the continued sales of the 777 and 737 models, all Boeing's future stock would seem to be in the sonic cruiser. I mean, that's a fairly big gamble in my opinion...

User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

There is a lot of talk of a new Boeing 767NG or similarly sized plane.. What for. The 767 despite being twenty years old is still a great aircraft.

It is certainly holding its own against the A330 in sales and I would not have believed this myself. 2001 A330s delivered was 32 against 36 767s (5 762 25 763 and 6 764)...  Big thumbs up

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ben Wang
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Paul Paulsen


The 767 is the right size for those where a A330 is too big. A 767 is not as big as a A330 the same a the A330 will never be anywhere near as big as a 777.

Boeing could upgrade the 767 and don't need a totally new mid size aircraft. maybe that will be the sonic cruiser?

Approaching 1000 units  Smokin cool the 767 will be around as an airline money spinner for a while yet!!


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

The 767 is one of the most efficient and flexible designs in the air, with excellent range. Sure, it isn't as sexy as the 747, it's big brother 777, or the wingletted A330 and quad-APU A340, but it's a fine plane that is still very competitive even after 20 years.

Charles


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8037 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

I think we will see a Next-Generation 767.

Most likely, it'll use the 767 fuselage but with new nose, new tail, new wings and new engines. The result is a plane that cruises about the same speed as a 747-400 and also has lower fuel burn than current 767's.


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

It all depends upon the SC's time scale. If it is out in 2008, a 767NG is probably a waste of resources. Recently, a slip to 2010 has been suggested, and some suppliers have said they thought it might be 2012. If the latter is the case, then some freshening of the 767 could well be in order.

The wing cross-section could be updated to a more advanced airfoil be reshaping the ribs, leaving other structural details pretty much intact.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

The original press announcement, which came out over the weekend, stated that Boeing was looking to update its 757/767 line, possiblty with a new airliner, in addition to the Sonic Cruiser, which has priority at the moment. Both projects, one of the projects, or none of the projects may go into serious final development. Its just too early too tell. Sales of the 767/757 have been slipping, partly due to the downturn in air traffic, and, sorry to say Boeing fans, the A332 is a hit for Airbus. (I am a Boeing fan too, so please no A vs B nonsense.)

The Sonic Cruiser, if built, may replace the 767ER on long range routes, but it is not suited for shorter-range higher density routes; for example, if DL were to purchase the Sonic Cruiser, we would not see it on ATL-MCO runs.

While the 767 and 757 are great planes, among the best out there, its time to update them, either by creating New Generation models (the 733 was a very good plane, but the 73G is even better) or start with something new (just like at a certain point the 72S was replaced with the 757). This is good news and progress, and how Boeing intends to stay competitive; it will jump start orders and in the spirit of competition, keep the pressure on Airbus.

Boeing mentioned new materials to save weight, lower fuel comsumption, possibily more range, new engines, new electronics, etc., etc. While the 767/757 have been updated over the years, bit by bit, further improvement is always welcomed by all, especially if the improvements will mean more comfort, less fuel burn, and save money.



User currently offlineSv11 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

It seems like carrying two LD3 containers side by side is important. The 767 cannot do this. A new mid size plane would be an ideal replacement for A300/A310 and 757/767.A base 200 seater and a stretched 240 seater in 3 classes. Some airlines would be quite interested in replacing their A300/A310 with a similar aircraft (maybe Lufthansa)

sv11.


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Any link to the Boeing PR, I scoured their website to no avail, I would love to see how they worded it.


They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

See Yahoo aviation news from Friday, 10th May.........Boeing considers new midsize jet; the article is via Reuters.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

Boeing has confirmed no new plans for the 757/767 despite slow sales. Saying their planes are made for 30-40 years, they don't think they could make a more efficient plane than the 757 at the moment.

In the same article, the SC is said to be running right on track, and should bow near the end of the decade.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/020513/transport_boeing_1.html

Regards,
George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 981 times:

To all:

I have to agree with Dutchjet about the need to upgrade the 757/767 line. Sales (not deliveries) have been slow and the A332 rules the roost in this category.
Obviously, something about the Boeing planes is losing in this segment. A business HAS to listen to the marketplace if it is going to be successful and I think an upgrade is essential if Boeing is going to keep the current 757/767 customer base; they've lost enough already. Certainly the 737 line has benefited from the NG upgrade. Perhaps the same approach could do the same for the 757/767.
I am surprised at the significance people put into SC. While it may eventually see fruition, not all carriers will want/need or can afford such a craft, so it is not the "end all to be all". An upgrade of the 757/767 would fill a big niche, however.

My thoughts...

Best regards,

F4N


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 951 times:

I understand one of the designers name is Gepetto.


` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Boeing Unveils Plans For 767 Freighter posted Mon Feb 19 2007 21:18:55 by EI321
First Air Boeing 767-223F Imported Into Canada posted Thu Jun 4 2009 20:10:41 by CanAvSpotter
Where Is The First Built Boeing 767? posted Thu Dec 25 2008 00:44:45 by Boeingdotcom
Mystery Boeing 767-400 Customer posted Tue Dec 23 2008 11:32:33 by Clickhappy
Boeing 767 orders- current, pending and otherwise posted Sat Nov 29 2008 15:08:12 by OyKIE
Boeing 767 Flying For Tunisair - Which One? posted Wed Oct 1 2008 10:29:51 by Airevents
AW: Boeing Reconsiders Plans For 787-10 posted Sun Jun 22 2008 13:34:48 by Rheinbote
Boeing 767-300BCF Status posted Mon Mar 17 2008 20:10:25 by Carpethead
Boeing 767-400 Range/Payload Question posted Sun Feb 3 2008 09:15:38 by CF-CPI
BA Evaluating A350XWB Vs "Boeing 777 Plans" posted Thu Jan 31 2008 07:18:46 by Keesje