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JetBlue: We'll Use All 27 LGB Slots By October!  
User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Fresh from the JetBlue Website:
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JetBlue Notifies City of Long Beach That Airline Expects to Utilize All 27 Slots By October

-- Low-Fare Carrier Plans to Introduce Nine Departures in August, and 12 in October --
New York, NY (May 9, 2002) - JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq: JBLU) today notified the Airport Manager at Long Beach Municipal Airport of its intention to utilize all twenty-one of its remaining final allocated slots by October 2002.

JetBlue currently operates five slots of its 27 at Long Beach with two daily roundtrips between Long Beach and Washington Dulles International Airport and three daily roundtrips between Long Beach and New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport. A fourth Long Beach-JFK flight is scheduled to begin on June 8.

By the end of October, JetBlue expects to have honored its commitment to serve Long Beach with 27 daily departures all featuring affordable fares on brand new, environmentally-friendly Airbus A320 jets.

JetBlue is a low-fare, low-cost passenger airline, which provides high-quality customer service. From its base at New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport, JetBlue flies to: Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, Fort Myers and West Palm Beach, FL; Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse, NY; Long Beach, Ontario and Oakland, CA; Burlington, VT; New Orleans, LA; Denver, CO; Salt Lake City, UT; and Seattle, WA.

From Washington DC, the airline also serves Fort Lauderdale, FL, LA/Long Beach and Oakland, CA. JetBlue is scheduled to add three daily round-trip flights between JFK and San Juan, Puerto Rico, commencing May 30.*

In February, JetBlue won Air Transport World magazine's 2002 "Market Development Award," for its successful first two years of service, and also was named Best Overall Airline by Onboard Services magazine. Last year, the airline ranked first in Conde Nast Traveler's 2001 Business Travel Awards, second in the Best Domestic Airline category in the magazine's 14th Annual Readers' Choice Awards, and number two Best Domestic Airline in the 2001 Zagat Airline Survey.

Since launching operations in February 2000, JetBlue has served more than six million passengers. The airline flies a fleet of 24 new Airbus A320 aircraft and will take delivery of another 12 new A320s by the end of 2002. All JetBlue aircraft are outfitted with roomy all-leather seats each equipped with free live satellite television, offering up to 24 channels of DIRECTV® Programming at every seat.

With JetBlue, all seats are assigned, all travel is ticketless, all fares are one-way, and a Saturday night stay is never required. The airline is offering $5 each way off all fares booked through its web site, www.jetblue.com, through June 30. For more information, schedules and fares, please visit www.jetblue.com or call JetBlue reservations at 1-800-JETBLUE (538-2583).
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So where will these 21 flights go? My predictions are 2-3 more JFK; 1-2 FLL; 1-2 DEN; 1-2 SLC; maybe 1 more IAD; maybe 3-4 OAK and SEA apiece. That still only makes 15-18 more though. Any new cities, maybe? Some have suggested ORD, but I'm not sure.

If I remember right, B6 is receiving about 13 new a/c this year. That would mean that virtually all new a/c would service LGB. Would B6 want to let JFK growth go on the back burner for so long?

Jim


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Yeah, it would be great to hear from Jetblue. It should be keep growth more traffic on the passengers into LGB airport and this is really need give up a slots as for the airplanes. This is right thing to need beefing up on the passengers into to/from FLL flight. I keeping guess that will be nice more news as for the future. Well, that it as for now.


Regards,

Scott


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

If I remember right, B6 is receiving about 13 new a/c this year. That would mean that virtually all new a/c would service LGB. Would B6 want to let JFK growth go on the back burner for so long?

That could be. B6 seems more interested in beefing up service at LGB (and also FLL and IAD to some extent) before resuming growth at JFK. That's probably because B6 wants to have more of a nationwide presence, and also may be a consequence of September 11th.



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User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

I hope that there are some LGB Flights to SLC, That'd be the best way into Orange County! Every carrier should have direct TV on board  Smile


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Honestly I think this situation seems more like a use it or lose it type thing. JetBlue sees all of these carriers all of a sudden interested in getting LBG slots... and those carriers will not be happy if JetBlue sits on half of its slots.

Plus it just seems like such an incredible amount of expansion in one fell swop. But add LBG-MSY to that list.



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

"American says its decision to seek more slots and match JetBlue's routes to Kennedy had nothing to do with JetBlue's arrival, but was prompted by a desire to increase coast-to-coast flying from Kennedy.

That's the biggest bunch of blatant B.S. I've read in a while. What AA is saying is that they were going to start LGB-JFK even if B6 never had arrived. I don't know about you, but I find that extremely difficult to believe.

I find myself disliking AA more and more every day (and I'm an AA Platinum frequent flyer). Next time I go to JFK, I'm absolutely taking B6 from LGB. And I think a lot of Angelenos are going to do the same...


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

There's more; read below. B6 is also repositioning some a/c from "weaker" markets. They reduced their SYR service from 3 flts to 2. So I guess this plane will be serving some transcon route.

They reduced flights at Rochester too, I see, from 5 to 4. Buffalo remains at 5 but two of the flights are down to 6 days per week.

From all reports I've seen, the Upstate markets are not "weak." JetBlue is the second-busiest carrier at Rochester. Given #3 UA's capacity at ROC, that means B6 must be filling at least 80 percent of its seats at 5 flights. At 4, they'd be running nearly 100 percent, unless something changed in the last week.

Yields, of course, tend to be higher on transcons, by nature of the longer flight. They'll probably restore the ROC and SYR flights once they have LGB up to speed.

If they don't, expect vocal protest from New York's Congressional delegation. JetBlue is a very successful business, but they'd do well not to forget who got them into JFK in the first place.

Jim




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User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Looks like American Airlines is going to war with JetBlue. Matching the OAK-JFK flights, matching the LGB-JFK flights, and now JetBlue has targeted AAs JFK-SJU... I don't think American is going to be too pleased about finding those high capacity A300s harder to fill.

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Potentially JetBlue could abandon ONT in favor of LGB as their sole Southern California airport. B6 entered ONT prior to their decision to make LGB a West Coast hub, and having 2 LA-area airports seems very redundant. At least it could be a way to free up equipment for LGB.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

If I remember right, B6 is receiving about 13 new a/c this year. That would mean that virtually all new a/c would service LGB. Would B6 want to let JFK growth go on the back burner for so long?

I would think not. I don't think jetBlue has the luxury of being able to put expansion plans on the back burner at JFK.

When they were awarded the 75 slot exemptions at JFK, the deal was they would phase them in up to 25 slots per year for the next three years up to a total of 75.

The way I read the agreement, they could of used up to 25 slots by February, 2001, up to 50 slots by February, 2002 and up to the total allowed of 75 slots by February, 2003. So far, as of mid June, 2002, they will have used up 33. That still leaaves 42 more slot at JFK.

I think AA is using the situation at LGB to distract jetBlue away from JFK. AA doesn't care about LGB, but they DO care about JFK - they're building that big brand new terminal and all. I think by forcing jetBlue to use new aircraft to beef up service at LGB, the deadline for using up the JFK slots is going to sneak up on jetBlue, and once the deadline has passed, you KNOW AA will file a protest if jetBlue seeks to get an extension of absorbing the rest of their JFK slots.

It seems as though LGB can only grow at the expense of JFK and JFK can only grow at the expense of LGB.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Your theory seems to make sense, except I think American has a little bit more respect for JetBlue in terms of recognizing that JB isn't stupid. They wont be distracted from strengthening the JFK hub. If they have to lease additional aircraft to fill up the slots temporarily, I'm sure Airbus would be willing to help out.

Now as for where these new flights would go, I'm not so sure. They might add a couple dailies to MDW, or try to start fighting USAir on some of their routes up north.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

I think AA is using the situation at LGB to distract jetBlue away from JFK. AA doesn't care about LGB, but they DO care about JFK - they're building that big brand new terminal and all. I think by forcing jetBlue to use new aircraft to beef up service at LGB, the deadline for using up the JFK slots is going to sneak up on jetBlue, and once the deadline has passed, you KNOW AA will file a protest if jetBlue seeks to get an extension of absorbing the rest of their JFK slots

That's an intriguing theory, and it makes sense. But as SJC says, if JetBlue has to make a choice, they'll choose JFK. AA might be hoping to try to make JetBlue grow too fast by having to use up slots at both airports. I can't imagine that Neeleman would take the bait.

He might speed up growth to the pre 9/11 pace, but more than that? Unlikely. At worst, JetBlue will have to relinquish the last 10 or so of its unused LGB slots, and AA can lose money flying 757's full of $200 pax until they give it up.

I'm not sure that ONT and LGB are redundant. They're far enough apart that 2 ONT-JFK dailies should be able to coexist with whatever JetBlue wants to do at LGB.

AA is *not* going to chase JetBlue out of transcons. Southwest smells the blood in the water and is joining in. UA insists they'l compete on fare with WN at BWI as noted in the article above, but they can't do it for long. WN has huge feed at BWI, much better than UA has at IAD. US fled BWI-LAX without firing a shot, and UA will eventually withdraw too.

Jim



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

One thing that United has at IAD is a huge Trans-Atlantic gateway, which makes me think United will not flee because of some transcons started by B6 and WN. US turned tail because they had no such gateway at BWI.

I agree that ONT and LGB are fairly far apart, but I was trying to think of ways in which JetBlue could utilize aircraft to beef up LGB. I truly do not think they would lose much by consolidating their LA operations at LGB, and in the process they'd use up another slot or two and reduce the redundant costs of having a presence in two airports in the same metro area.



User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

I just flew ONT-JFK this week. The flight was full and the service was typical jetBlue - friendly and efficient. The day I flew their was an article in the Ontario newspaper saying JetBlue did not have plans to add additional flights at this time to/from ONT but there are no plans to drop the daily redeye. Both bad and good news I guess. It was my first flight from ONT and the airport is a ghost town at midnight.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

One thing that United has at IAD is a huge Trans-Atlantic gateway, which makes me think United will not flee because of some transcons started by B6 and WN. US turned tail because they had no such gateway at BWI.

Actually, I was referring to UA's BWI-LAX service, which is an O & D flight. What I meant about Dulles is that UA has, as far as I can tell, a higher percentage of high-yield O &D on those flights that wouldn't be affected much by WN low-fare transcons from BWI. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

UA flies BWI-SFO too, 3x daily. WN BWI-OAK flights will whack the yields on those too. WN will be feeding its BWI transcons from all those spokes (BUF, ALB, PVD etc) and will fight aggressively to establish its transcons. I'd look for all UA transcons from BWI to end by 2003. UA has a strong higher-yield transcon presence at IAD and probably won't view a handful of BWI transcons as worth losing money for long.

Airwarrior--JetBlue tends to have very low station costs. They contracted with Monroe County for ground service at ROC until a couple of months ago, when they decided to buy their own equipment and double their staff at ROC. It may not cost B6 much to operate that one daily transcon at ONT. ONT spotters, how does B6 service its a/c there?

Jim




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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

The only reason B6 flies the red-eye flights to DEN, ONT, SEA, and SLC is so the planes don't overnight in JFK doing nothing.

They put them to good use by flying them to destinations rather than having them overnight in JFK and be of no use.

But this isn't a bad sign. I am sure in the future when B6 expands, it will decide to boost service to these cities. I'd say after the LGB expansion, we will see these 4 cities get an additional flight from JFK and possibly one day get a 3rd flight.

In DEN, JetBlue uses 1 of Frontier's gates. I believe Frontier services their aircraft. But I am not 100% sure.

From what I've heard, the DEN flight has been a huge blast. Flights are always full everyday. It really shows how important low-fares are to people these days. They'll be willing to fly in the middle of the night just for a good fare.

I've also heard ONT, SEA, and SLC are a huge blast aswell. No surprise at all.....

Regards



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User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

In ONT jetBlue uses the DL tkt counter and DL handled their ramp. JetBlue uses their own people for check-in. I havent met a rude or unhappy jetBlue employee yet in any of their cities.

User currently offlineJeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

LoneStarMike,

I know you've been concerned about JB's slot exemptions in JFK for a while, and it so happens I had a company officer on the jumpseat not long ago. So I asked him about them. It turns out that the JFK exemptions aren't use-it-or-lose-it like the LGB slots are, though the documentation may lead you to believe that. So there's no pressure to fill all 75 slots in JFK by 02/03, and therefore no squeeze play by AA. It's a good theory, and makes for great strategy, but there's no teeth in it. Hope this helps.


User currently offlineMexitli From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

DCA_ROC Guy,

I just heard from the airport manager at ROC that the 5th flight they lost is seasonal and will be back in the fall. I hope the 3rd SYR flight returns as well sometime.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

It turns out that the JFK exemptions aren't use-it-or-lose-it like the LGB slots are, though the documentation may lead you to believe that

Well, I guess I'll have to take your word for it, although it certainly doesn't make it sound that way in jetBlue's prospectus when it says:

The Department of Transportation, or DOT, granted us 75 daily takeoff and landing slot exemptions at JFK in 1999. A slot is an authorization to take off or land at a designated airport within a specified time period. Unlike a slot, our exemption from slot authorization requirements may not be sold, leased, rented or pledged.

These slot exemptions phase in at the rate of up to 25 daily slots per year over three years ending in February 2003. If we fail to use a slot exemption, such slot exemption could be subject to forfeiture. Since JFK is our principal base of operations, our failure to maintain our slot exemptions at JFK could harm our business.

I guess I'll quit harping on this issue for now, and we'll see what happens in February.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

DCA_ROC Guy, I just heard from the airport manager at ROC that the 5th flight they lost is seasonal and will be back in the fall. I hope the 3rd SYR flight returns as well sometime.

That seems strange....isn't summer typically the heaviest travel time for most airlines? The other airlines at ROC, if they ever increase their capacity, usually do so during the summer. I just find it difficult to believe that B6 actually has less traffic during the summer.

When you say the "airport manager" are you referring to the facility manager or the JetBlue station manager? In either case, they wouldn't be keen to admit it if JetBlue was moving a/c out to feed LGB. Airlines don't like to be seen as hurting one market to help another.

In any event, LGB will be up to speed in the fall....if they are moving out a/c to feed LGB, the airline may use new deliveries in the fall to restore ROC and SYR frequencies.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems odd to me.

Jim





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User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

DCA-ROCguy. Maybe by seasonal they mean other routes are so strong during the summer that they needed the aircraft from the ROC route.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Basically, JetBlue has sped up its LGB operations so that it gets permanent use of the slots before AA does. Presently AA is temporarily using some of the slots guarranteed to JetBlue but will have to return them when JetBlue is ready for them.

AA is preparing a legal case against the Long Beach authorities to get permanent use but JetBlue wants to pre-empt that with every slot taken and used.

airline politics.

tnnh

more transcons iad, jfk, fll, roc are in the cards


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