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Why was the KAL 747 shot down?  
User currently offlinedang From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Why was the KAL 747 shot down in the early 80's?

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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Hi dang, here's the story:

The Boeing arrived at Anchorage at 03.30 local time after a flight from New York. At 05.00h the aircraft took off again from Runway 32, bound for Seoul. The flight was cleared directly to the Bethel VOR beacon and then on to the Romeo 20 route. However, the aircraft started diverging from it's intended course and passed 12mls North of the Bethel beacon. While approaching the Kamchatka peninsula, 6 MiG-23 fighters were scrambled. Because a US Boeing RC-135 intelligence plane was flying in the area East off Kamchatka, the Soviet defence forces probably thought the B747 radar echo to be the RC-135. KAL 007 left Russian airspace over the Okhostk Sea and the fighters returned to their base. Passing abeam the Nippi beacon (4hrs after take-off), the aircraft was 185mls off course and headed for Sakhalin. Two Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 fighters were scrambled from the Dolinsk-Sokol airbase at 17.42h UTC and 17.54 respectively. At 18.16h UTC flight 007 re-entered Soviet airspace. At 18.22h the Soviet command ordered destruction of the target (for the 2nd time). Two air-to-air missiles were lauched by one of the fighters and struck the Boeing at 18.26h. Cabin pressure was lost and the aircraft suffered control problems, causing the Boeing to spiral down and crash into the sea.

Copyright, Aviation Safety Network

Mirage, Faro, Portugal


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

It should be noted that one of the theories out there to why the 747 was off it's designated route may have been that the wrong airport was programmed into the aircraft Navigation system. It does call in the question for my why we would want to adopt such a system, like Airbus seems to be so bent on.


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User currently offlineA1ex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Mirage provided a big deal of info!!! Great! Good one...

Just wanted to add this. I've an article in a russian newspaper written by the pilot who shot down the Boeing under title: "I shot down a Boeing".

He wrote that had the command to fire come a tiny few seconds later, the Boeing would have gone away no problem, as it would have left the Russian airspace.

Also, he fired two missiles at the Boeing: aiming th nose and the center section of the fuselage. The first hit caused an explosion at the nose of aircraft before the second missile tore the fuselage in half...

Pretty sad and horrible story :-(.

Do you think the same kind of an accident can happen these days, when a civil transport carrying innocent passengers is being terminated by a military fighter (or any ground-to-air/sea-to-air defense system)?


User currently offlineA1ex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

First, I didn't mean that the destruction of Boeing was "...Great! Good one...". Please, don't get me wrong. Those were comments on info posted by Mirage.

Second, I've READ the article. In the original message it looks as if I HAD the article. I've missed the word "read".

I always try to proof read before I press POST button nut mistakes sometimes still come up. The same thing is when I type assignments and reports. Doh...


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Hi A1ex, you said in your post:

"First, I didn't mean that the destruction of Boeing was "...Great! Good one...". Please, don't get me wrong. Those were comments on info posted by Mirage."

Well, I went to read again my post and I don't see those comments, am I missing something? maybe, my english is not very good!
As I write in the end of the post, the info belongs to Aviation Safety Network, if you want, I can give the URL adress.

See ya




User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

At the risk of shocking many of you, the incident was FAR MORE complicated.
It was proven recently that Capt.Chung and the cockpit crew knew EXACTLY what they were doing, more, they had their oxigen-masks on during the flight, and after examining the various radarplottings, radio signals etc. it was clear that the pilots were making a spionage flight. At several moments, they descended under 1000 feet (!) to remain undetected, they manoeuvred so they flew between two radar plots.
Also, the plane flew at a speed that exceeded the Vmax, resulting in terrible turbulence.

I did not made this up, it is the truth, found out by various instances.



Shiek!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

What are your references for this. I thought the Soviets have never released the flight data and voice recorders.


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User currently offlinejz From United States of America, joined May 1999, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

To concur with A-330, there were 2 KAL 747s flying from Anchorage to Souel that night. The first was KAL 007, the one that was shot down. The interesting facts were: the pilots on these 2 747s were Korean Airforce buddies; KAL 007 "developed" communication problems with the ground control in Alaska. It had to relay its position via the second 747. The information relayed and the actual flight path of the first 747 were different. It appeared that the second 747 was covering up the actual movement for the first one. And when KAL 007 was shot down, it had all of its navigation lights turned off.

This is a very complicated issue. The Soviets were not trigger-happy, blood-thirst monsters described by the US at the time of the incident. The KAL flight was not as innocent as a simple civilian flight. Many parties, like CIA, the US Airforce, Korean intellegence service, were probably involved in this incident.

The more sinister theory is that it's a covert operation planned by the CIA and US Airforce, with cooperation from Korean Airforce and KAL. The plot called for KAL 007 to invade the Soviet air space and cause the activation of their air defence system. The US RC-135 was to record the various radar and communication signals. Even if the 747 were intercepted and forced to land, KAL can just blame it on pilot error. The whole plot bet on the Russians won't shoot a civilian 747. KAL 007 flew a strange couse, changed its altitude and heading repeatedly. The fact that first few interceptions of KAL 007 were successfully evaded irrated Soviet air defence high command so much that the order was given to shoot the invader down at the first opportunity. The pilot finally caught up KAL 007 as the 747 was leaving the Soviet airspace. So the action was rather rushed. At the end, a fail safe plot failed and the 200 some passengers were the victims of the Cold War.


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

A-330, you should back all your opinions. Were did you read that? The pilots only had their oxigen-masks after the plane being hit by the missiles.

Read the Cockpit voice recorder at http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/transcripts.htm.

Mirage
Luis Rosa, Faro, Portugal


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Hi jz,

I didn't know that, but from what I know CIA was doing around 60's and 70's I admit it could be a covert operation planned by the CIA and US Airforce.
In the 60's CIA gave instruction to very selected persons to become professional killers, so I belive in the most sinister theory.


User currently offlineaviator_ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

First, you must understand the area. Sakhalin Island which is part of the Kamchatka Penninsula was a highly secretive Soviet naval base. Nuclear missle launching submarines were berthed here and many Soviet nuclear missle tests were conducted in this area also. The theory is that the KAL crew entered the coordinates into the FMS incorrectly. This took them well off course and into
NON- free flying territory. The charts are clearly marked with warnings about crossing the penninsula. Also, the Soviets may have panicked because the US Air Force was known for it's "piggybacking" of airliners crossing this territory.
They would fly directly above or below the civilian airliner with no lights showing so as they would not be picked up by Soviet radar as a second aircraft.
They could get close to Soviet territory without being seen to monitor secret Soviet missle tests. The data gathered from these tests was highly valuable.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Sakhalin Island is actually right up on the mainland just North of Korea.(On a Globe) right east of Vladivostok which was the Pacific base for the Soviet Fleet. The Kamchatka extends down toward Japan, Much farther east than Sakhalin. The Kamchatcka breaks down into the Kurile Islands and then Hokkadio(I know I didn't spell that right) which is the northern most of the Japanese home islands. In order for 007 to get to Sakhalin it would have had to cross Kamchatka and the Sea of Oktusk(I think that is the name of it). That is a lot of Soviet Airspace.


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User currently offlineDC10-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

I agree with A330: I read in spionage books that the KAL captain was VERY PROBABLY a member of CIA; the crew made enormous mistakes in their route. Of course, we will never know ALL the truth, but there is a lot of things stange in this tragedy.

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