Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
You're with Enron, right?
Kidding, of course. They'll all be back in the air soon.
It's an inherent risk you take when working for an airline--furloughs. They knew it and accepted the risk. One of the reasons I chose a profession that is recession proof!
How do they stay current if they are out for six or more months?
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 30 Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
How about a little compassion forr those in an industry devestated by September 11th.
I'm sure this unemployed gentleman is paying his bills by working at Home Depot. He's probably very short on cash and making it by on savings hoping to return before his money runs out.
Your shorsighted comments are in poor taste considering recent events.
I'm not saying HD is a bad job, But I'm sure it doesnt support the lifestyle he bought into.... His mortgage was based on his income at the time at what was considered as steady employment as you can find in the industry when times were good.
So have a little compason for someone who I'm sure can't pay his bills.
Been there done that. I'm the king of furlough..... Believe me it sucks beyond imagination.
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2002 times:
I am impressed at the pilot who would work at HD or anywhere else for that matter. I know some pilots that are out of work that can't possibly think about not doing anything...but flying!! They don't want to consider any work that is non aviation, some are trying to be flight instructors for next to nothing..none of it makes sense to me. For god's sake, get a real job, any job out there is a real job, even Home Depot, esp. when you have a family to support. With my one friend, I always respected his airline career, now that it is on hold, I thought he was more well rounded than to keep trying to fly as an instructor getting 20k a year. It is almost obsessive.
Delta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1948 times:
$20,000 as an instructor? Hell, in my best year as a CFI I barely cracked $9,000.
I don't know a furloughee that hasn't jumped on ANY job opportunity yet. Either flying or non-flying. There's a guy from Delta doing carpentry.
Home Depot is not McDonalds. Whenever I go there with a question, they're on it like crazy. I wish the airlines would look at Home Depot's customer service and implement EVERYTHING.
I think largely, the problem is that quite a few civilians, including myself, majored in aviation-related degree programs. When you can't get hired as a pilot, an aviation degree is just something pretty that you hang on your wall.
MattD took a cheap shot, I got angry and until the last furlough is back at work, I'll do what i can to stand up for them.
As "holier than thou" than that statement sounds, I know they'd do it for me.
Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
>>Home Depot is not McDonalds. Whenever I go there with a question, they're on it like crazy. I wish the airlines would look at Home Depot's customer service and implement EVERYTHING.<<
I'm guessing that you've just seen their commercials, haven't you?
Working in a mom/pop hardware store, I know that Home Depot is the bottom of the barrel in terms of customer service. Many(I won't say all) employees barely know the stuff in their department, let alone the entire store. If they don't know it, they'll send you to what might be the proper department, by just telling you to go to aisle whatever(1-50) and asking there. From what I've experienced, I'm usually asking in three departments, from coming into the store until I get the one thing I need.
Where I work, we are taught the basics of everything in the store, and then the specifics on different areas(we have three guys that know plumbing, several that know hardware, a couple in paint and gardening, one in furniture, etc.). I work in cleansers/polishers for example, knowing the best for just about any situation. If an employee can't do it, s/he personally finds the person that can.
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2892 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
I have a lot of sympathy for these guys who are having to make due while the economy is in a downturn, but there are lots of people doing the same thing. I consider myself very lucky that I wasn't nailed in the tech downturn, and if I was, I'd expect to be doing the same thing that these guys are -- find something to make money and survive.
Anyone affected by 9/11 or the economy in general deserves some sympathy, but let's face some facts: terrorism or no terrorism, the airline industry was in the tank, and furloughs would have happened courtesy of Osama or not. Same thing of other industries in the economy.
Yes, Home Depot sucks for an ex-pilot, but it sucks for an ex-broker and an ex-Net Admin and an ex-teacher too. Let's keep this in perspective.
AWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
Good point. There are thousands of people out there affected by economic downturns far too often in this era we live in, and, they all deserve out sympathy. However, seeing as this is an aviation forum, it stands to reason that we aviation enthusiasts are gonna express our sentiments about those affected in this field. It's not that we don't have any consideration for others in all the other industries that have been hit, (I'm sure many of us know or is related to someone affected) but, because we're here to deal with aviation related topics our primary focus will be on those affected in the aviation industry.
Cpt Underpants From Canada, joined May 2001, 166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1631 times:
I hate to be a contrarian, but the industry was about to be hit pretty hard by the economic downturn, Sept. 11th simply accelerated the process. This may sound morbid, but the best example of the shape the industry was in can be found in the number of empty seats on the aircraft used in the attacks. These were becoming typical loads on what had once been a very busy east-west traffic corridor. AA, UA et al were not going to be able to sustain that type of load factor forever.