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UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD  
User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

United in October will shift their JFK nonstops to Buenos Aires (which I think has already been dropped) and Sao Paulo over to IAD.

This will provide better feed for the flights.

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User currently offlinePizzaPolli From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

This is excellent news. The more internationals from IAD the better! I always hated having to connect when I went to EZE.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

JFK-GRU has not been running for a while. It ran for two weeks in December, but since 9.11, that's it. Though it does look like those unused slots are being moved to IAD.


a.
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Seems to make sense in the UA route strategy.....UA is not a strong player at JFK (the UA flight from JFK to HKG was also not a winner) and there are far more connection opportunities at IAD. UA also serves these South American cities out of MIA, and while that is largely an O & D market. some pax that connected at MIA will now travel via IAD.

I suppose this will leave the JFK-GRU and JFK-EZE market wide open for AA. CO should also benefit as they have direct service to Brazil from Newark, however, CO never started service to Buenos Aires due to the financial crisis in Argentina.

While it all makes sense, I am not certain that this will work for UA.......not sure why I feel that way. I hope that I am wrong!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

I think it makes sense. IAD simply has more feed than MIA. Passengers in the Northeast that would otherwise have to make a two-stop connection to get to MIA now only have to get to IAD; while the Miami flights will still get feed from the West Coast and MCO/TPA and have more seats available for the higher-yielding O&D traffic.


a.
User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Unfortunate.

It does make sense in the long run for UA, though, as their JFK situation is a real mess.


User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2915 times:


Any chance that Delta will try to pick up the slack at JFK and fill these routes that United is abandoning?


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Makes a lot more sense. UA needs to develope its IAD hub. UA has minumum feeder flights to JFK, while IAD has a lot more feed. However, IAD does not have the O&D potential that JFK does.

I don't really see DL trying to pick up the slack, as ATL has more opportunities, especially with DL's massive feed their. Delta has little domestic feed into JFK, and their trans-atlantic flights are filled by O&D traffic.

I can see AA beefing up Latin American service from JFK though. Seems like AA is trying to be everywhere these days.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Good move.Consolidate at IAD.Although IAD does not have JFK's O&D base UA may get more O&D at IAD than JFK due to less competition.Is IAD in a better position geographically than JFK for transfers?
Alex


User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

O&D traffic at IAD is growing exponentially.

Remember, IAD was one of the nation's fastest growing airports in the late 1990s. This was attributable to the explosion of tech-industry growth around the N. Virginia corridor, which incidentally is the wealthiest area per capita in the nation.

Once the economy rebounds, Dulles offers the most revenue growth potential of any single hub.

With these flights, UA will have 3 GRU flights again (ORD, IAD, MIA), but only 2 out of the former 3 EZE flights (IAD, MIA).

However, I think JFK-EZE is returning for the winter season only.


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