TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51 Posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4683 times:
I was surprised to read today that beginning July 1st, Continental is going to start charging for liquor in economy slass on international flights. They want to take the revenue from the new liquor sales and invest it in improved international economy class meal service.
Opinions on this? I found myself wondering if I would take NW/KL to Europe from NYC instead if I knew I couldn't get upgraded on CO. I love CO and am a Platinum Elite, and I'm not a lush or anything, but free drinks to Europe is part of what makes economy bearable on a Transat flight (at least in my opinion).
Cainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4650 times:
I think this is a big mistake. The general public looks at these airlines as a bunch of money hungry conglomerates and I think to an extent, that is a fairly accurate description. These companies are losing insane amounts of dosh each day (some to the tune of several million dollars a day) and CO suddenly thinks that a few hundered bucks per pond hop from the schmucks in economy who want to get pissed up is gonna make a bit of difference. I tell you what. I wont fly CO. BMI's service to the US from MAN is fantastic, and the drinks are still on the house.
Mls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4649 times:
At least they have good IFE and are planning a better meal to compensate. I only get one or two drinks anyway and I could live without or pay the $4.
I'd go to the liquor store and buy a few mini bottles if I were concerned about it. Order the drink virgin, and then put your own in. And if you get caught, it's only a mini that's getting confiscated and not a whole big bottle. It wouldn't be too tough to be discrete about it either.
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4636 times:
That's funny - an airline charging for alcohol so they can improve meal service? What a joke! My bet is that nothing in CO's coach meal service will change, except that people will now have to pay $5 if they want a measly glass of wine to go along with their quarter-sized soggy turkey sandwich and carrots. It disgusts me how little service passengers on most American carriers get for their money these days.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4635 times:
Hey Lind... is that a trick question??
The answer: none... because AA got rid of them all (or will by the end of June, I believe).
Sad, but I'm pretty much over it. I'm a CO man now.
Anyway, going back to the topic, just to clarify to all, I posted this not as a complaint, but rather because I was curious as to what people thought of this from a business perspective... does it make sense? Will it cause customers to choose a competing airline that still serves free liquor in economy if the fare is the same?
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4600 times:
I guess CO has done the business case and said, "nobody is not going to fly us because of the lack of free alcohol." Frankly, I wouldn't fly CO simply because they have no int'l non-stops from LAX. However, their economy class seat pitch I've heard (and read on their website) is horrible. Now they want to charge for alcohol? Sorry, but I'd fly AA (MRTC) or UA (Economy Plus) or any of the int'l carriers that serve free drinks AND have decent meals before I flew CO.
Here's my question: Why fly CO? (It's a serious question: What will they offer the average traveller that's better than a competitor?)
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4592 times:
Now I dont fly over Atlantic if airline doesnt have PTVs and free booz
It was not a tricky question. I was dead serious.
AA didnt repaint all aircrafts yet. Few days ago I've seen TWA 717 N418TW at IAD in full TWA c/s. That was the first TW 717 I ever saw and I need more pics of it. So you are saying June? July?
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4578 times:
This is an interesting development. Not too long ago Bethune was featured in a Wall St Journal article trumpeting the fact that CO was the only major airline not to make large scale meal cutbacks post-9/11, and because of that CO has been able to maintain its loyal following....
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
This is an outrage! What next?--removing the garnish from the appetizers in F/C? TC
P.S.--I saw 3 717's in STL the other day, 2424 & 2426 and the other was on approach so I didn't get a number. I do have to go up to the cockpit and take one last look. Too damn many switches in this -80!!!
BFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4531 times:
Mucho Big Mistake!
The one thing I don't like about flying charter (apart from the legroom) is that you have to pay for drinks. The service, in my experience at least, is excellent, but it is a pain in the a*se fumbling about in a seat cramped seat with your tray table down trying to get those coins out of your pocket. V silly thing to do!
Roguetrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
SAS23 and Ncflyer,
Because of your comments I am rededicating a purpose for me and my kind. Free or not free: drinking on an airplane is a God-given right that no airline nor government can take away.
I assumed the drinks were free in part because of the extra hassle involved in collecting money for 8+ hours. I'm surprised the flight attendants aren't protesting about this, since it takes time away from their sleeping, reading, and socializing that is their primary goal on international flights - at least on US carriers.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4446 times:
Reminds me of the cheezy so-called good ol days when airlines charged you for drinks. Well, at least then, they gave you a wider seat with a lot more legroom. From my observations in Y Class, there are not that many alcohol imbibers - at least on the American carriers. Most people have a glass of relatively nondescript wine with a meal and call it a day. Yes, we have all heard of Rowdies getting drunk on flights, but that is the rare exception rather than the norm. Plus, FAs can always refuse to serve alcohol to a drunk passenger. If airlines were so darn obsessed with saving money, then charge $ 5 on all flights across the board, rather than ooze tackiness by demanding $ 4 for a glass of wine.
Tomindc From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
Very interesting to watch to see if any other US carriers match this....my instinct tells me that CO will be out there all by itself. Think of the hassles the FAs have domestically to provide change, etc., to keep track of who is owed change, etc. Add that to a widebody and at least two currencies to monitor.....seems to me a pandora's box for sure.....
CALpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4358 times:
Have you ever flown CO to Europe in Business, or coach? I guess not, because what you said is NOT what we serve on those flights. Please have some facts before you shoot your mouth off to the rest of the world.