BigO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (15 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
I'm not sure on how exactly it would work in this case, but was this a copyright infringement? It states that it is copyright protected right under the picture on the web site. This is a private web site and the picture is private property. Who knows. There are some exceptions when it comes to news, but what and how much, only an attorney would be able to say.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (15 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 1686 times:
Not to downplay the pic that's on here, but I have a shot of that plane, in full sunlight, no shadows. I didn't bother sending it to be posted because of the finicky and nitpicky criteria. If anyone would like me to e-mail it to them, or make up a print, either reply to this post, or contact me via private e-mail.
Vjl From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (15 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
Thanks for the concern re: using my photos with or without permission. I'll explain, for those that care, the timeline on the events that occured:
After I heard about the possible crash of an AS a/c, I contacted my best friend, AS employee, and fellow airliners.net photog, and got a bit more detail. I found that the a/c was an MD-83, delivered May 92; a quick look in JP confirmed that the only MD delivered to AS in May was 963. I searched through my collection and found 7 photos [4 were very similar], so I scanned in one, and submitted it. On CNN, I heard AS PIO Jack Evans confirm that 963 was the reg.
Johan posted the pic and e.mailed me to make sure I was sure that this was the exact photo of the downed a/c. I stated it was, and scanned the other two pics [close ups of the nose, one with my friend exiting the a/c]. But before I was able to get the other two submitted I received e.mail from the photo editor at Contra Costa Times [cctimes.com] and then cnn.com.
The note from CNN stated that they wanted permission to run my photo. I turned on CNN and saw my pic on TV! I called the person who mailed me [he left me his number] and granted them permission for the 3 photos for a sum of money that surprised me. They were given exclusive TV broadcast rights for these three photos, but said I could still sell the photos to other newspapers. cctimes ended up not using my pics [but still sent me a check].
I was also contacted via airliners.net by ABC, NBC, CBS, Discovery Channel Canada [who ended up using Michael Carter's pic] and about a dozen newspapers. I talked with the photo editors of and/or contacts with each of these agenices and, for TV stuff, had to turn them down. But I did find out that they do use airliners.net a lot for when an a/c goes down. In fact in one case, when a newspaper wanted access to another pic of an AS a/c that wasn't shot by me, they called me asking how to contact that photographer! I told them that Johan was the one who ran the site and then got a bunch of compliments about the site from them.
They stated it is the best resource for photos and that is 100% because of Johan's hard work. As a computer programmer myself [who's worked with SQL for over 9 years], I must say that the praise is well deserved, and it is nice to see the non-aviation crowd appreciate it as much as we do.
As you folks now see, the pics I took aren't the best, but due to the fact that they were the only pics for several hours, CNN and others wanted them. If any of you have pics of this a/c, I *highly* recommend uploading them, no matter what the quality of them is.
On a personal note, this was very difficult for me to do, as I am very close to AS, as part of their extended family. It's a very troubling to accept money for photographs that relate to such a tragedy.