Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
I know what you mean. I just tried to book for Palma in September. They wanted GBP20 for the oputbound but GBP109 for the return. I'm going to book with either Swiss, Iberia, BMI or BA because they are roughly the same price as Easyjet.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
Even IATA fares are not the same for a round trip. The tend to reflect the status of the country of commencement of the journey. Nowadays there are special fares from anywhere to everywhere. But even these follow the same pattern. I guess even the no-frills carriers have learned to squeeze whatever the people are willing to pay.
Eg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1106 times:
Shock, horror..........try BA!!!!!!
Go to BA.com and try the Fare Explorer. Outbound LHR-CDG on 06 JUN is £33. Return on 13 JUN is £34. Add taxes and e-ticket discount etc. and you get a fare of £89.90. Not bad for a proper airline with proper service going to a proper airport!!
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1045 times:
BA are thankfully beginning to offer some really attractive fares to Europe; whilst it is always invariably a pleasure to fly with BA, Heathrow is not my nearest airport-Stansted and Luton are, which is why I always check with Ryanair etc. first
In this case, I need to get to Madrid, so naturally I checked the Easyjet website first; fares TO Madrid are very reasonable (25 pounds)-fares coming back from MAD are certainly not!!
Never mind, BMI to the rescue, with their reasonable price of 96 pounds "all-up".
So it's off to the 'El Prado' courtesy of BMI!! Shame on Easy....and where's Ryanair when you need them??!
BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2715 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
This is exactly the scenario I predicted a while ago.
I was sceptical about EZY's shift towards major airports, especially LGW, and at the time, I wondered how they could possibly maintain ultra low fares in the process.
With the consolidation going on in the industry, there seems to be an emergence of a middle tier between the real low cost operators and the full service airlines.
-LowCost no frills, out of town smaller airport operators, eg Ryanair, Buzz, Go (whilst it lasts)
-MediumCost no frills, some major airports, eg EasyJet
-Full Service carriers, eg flag carriers.
The current trends have been for the full service carriers to either create their own low cost brands or to restructure and slash fares to compete, eg BA's new fare structure and bmi's new baby bmi.
With this change, the likes of BA are now matching and more regularly beating the fares offerred by EasyJet; No frills v Full service and a FF program for the same price......I know which one I would pick.
Ryanair, on the other hand, has stuck to its business model ruthlessly, avoiding the more expensive airports as much as possible. The advertising might be a little misleading at times, but they fill planes, and full planes mean that they make money, simple. Full planes mean they can maintain rockbottom prices.
If I had money to invest tomorrow and had to put it in either RYR or EZY, I would have to go with RYR.
I am concerned that EZY seem to be in an awkward position between lowcost and full service carriers, and for the reasons expressed above, I'm not sure it's a position where they can succeed in the long term.
Logic should dictate that flights out of the more costly airports on EZY's network cost more than flights to the same destination from, say, LPL or LTN.
A brief browse of their reservation system suggests this is not the case, so I can only presume that the extra costs incurred at the busier airports are being passed onto all EZY customers across its network. Perhaps that is why it is cheaper for a weekend return to Amsterdam next week on KLM or BA out of MAN thanit is on EZY out of LPL.
The bottom line is that EZY is a no frills carrier and as such it should offer no frills, low cost fares. My concern is that they are losing sight of that basic principle which could in time mean it loses the low cost customer base, a segment of the market which EZY itself created in the UK, to the benefit of us all.
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1017 times:
Shamu, very eloquently put, and I have to say that I agree with that...Ezy are gonna be squeezed unless they somehow manage to maintain cheaper fares...which they don't seem to do at the moment (at least from their UK bases)...this is starting to look like VEX, which I don't class as low-cost at all....
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2592 posts, RR: 59 Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1010 times:
I think people are starting to realise that the lower operating costs of the low cost airlines do not always translate into low fares for the passenger - I've stopped using the term "low fare airline" altogether, because it's a con that I think many people are falling for, automatically assuming that the lowest fares will be with the likes of easyJet, Ryanair, Go etc...
If you book months before you travel, you can get rock bottom fares that represent excellent value for money with low-cost airlines, closer to your date of travel a full-service airline will often give not only the best price, but also the best value for money when you consider their service and airports used.
Yesterday I was pricing up a Manchester-Gatwick trip for next month (I make this flight a few times a year) with British Airways' new fare structure and Fare Explorer on their website I was able to select flights at £21 each way for a total roundtrip fare including tax of £64.
The previous fare structure penalised people making day-returns and the fare was usually over £160 return, which obviously isn't really outstanding value for money.
My only real concern is that BA cannot sustain these fare levels because their costs are significantly higher than what they are charging at the moment.
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 953 times:
The difference between low-fair(or low-cost) carriers and
high cost carriers is NOT that low-fair carriers always offer the lowest fare on any particular route.
The lowest fare offered on any route are almost always the same no matter what airline you fly. And, yes, there are times when the high-cost airline will be a better deal.
1. The low-fair carriers offer far more seats at the lowest fare.
2. The low-fair carriers attach fewer conditions to their cheaper fairs than their high-cost competitors do.
3. The highest fares on low fair carriers tend to be much lower than the highest fairs on high cost carriers. We are talking 2 or 3 times
less, not just a few bucks.
4. When people on this forum say that an Airline is a Low-fair airline - they mean that IF THAT AIRLINE SERVES A ROUTE, FAIRS ON THAT ROUTE WILL BE MUCH LOWER. Of course, BA will match fairs with Easyjet, or even beat them on a few routes and times. But if Easyjet were not there, you would be gouged. If you don't believe that, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
In America, the majors have for years been matching prices with Soutwest on a few seats and then claiming that "low-fair" means nothing. Don't fall for it
also - what you are charged for each leg of a route is academic unless you are going one way. What matters is the roundtrip cost. For a true comparison - try comparing a round trip going from the other city to your city on the same dates.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 912 times:
To be honest, my suspicion is that this is common for most low-cost airlines. Try booking a Ryanair flight from Europe TO London, and you'll find that there are far less offers, and often higher prices. From London to Europe, there's always gazillions of offers, simply because we have 4 resident low-cost airlines advertising and trying to grab attention and market share any way they can.
Anyway, as far as I know airport taxes aren't even shown on the Easyjet booking engine until you have selected your flights, so that means they aren't really the explanation for the higher prices at all.
On another note: Ryanair has had 2 great promotions last week, for e-mail-newsletter subscribers only. It's actually worth subscribing, after all!
Can't wait for the holidays.... Mmmmh. Got 5 day return flights booked at the moment for June and July (Belfast, Newcastle, Alghero, Venice and of course Munich) I love low-fare airlines....
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 901 times:
Oh! I got a 5-star rated post...I'm so glad....
Ikarus, the point is that when you book a return flight with say, Ryanair, they don't charge you a ridiculous amount when you fly back (well, not in my experience)....Easyjet do this all the time, and it's *really* annoying....I've been trying to visit Athens for ages, and they always let me down on the return segment....I'm going to fly BA in protest!
So, you subscribe to the Ryanair fanmail, eh? I subscribe to all of 'em....my next flight is to Stockholm, then Prague (with GO), then MAD (with BMI).
Then it's off to Buenos Aires with LH in September! Hooray for college travel grants!!
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 878 times:
Someone said that Ryanair fares from Europe to London is higher than from London to Europe.
I have just finished to check on FR website and I found that's opposite, since on all the London-Italy flights it's far cheaper buying for the same flight a ticket in €uro (quoted from Italy) than one in £ GBP (qouted from UK).
The difference is huge:
Milan BGY - London STN € 69,99
but if you book the same flight as inbound of a retur ticket:
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 868 times:
"Sounds like you guys are going to pretty busy typing all those voyage reports"
Oh, I don't bother anymore with those, I travel too frequently these days...
Let's be honest, the Ryanair fare structure is just crazy...
The earlier you book, the more it costs, then you find fares for 1p...then you find other fares which are cheaper than those advertised...then you might end up paying 130 pounds one-way....oh well, doesn't bother me, it's all just flying so who cares!