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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4370 posts, RR: 10
Posted (16 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Sorry, but I have to say this.

Look at VASP, they have told me their service sucks, Brazilians & non-Brazilians alike have said this. There FA's are not good, send luggages to the wrong places, etc. Also, look at VASP's "contributions" overseas...

-Remember Ecuatoriana? I didn't. Until I saw the topic on it, & remembered VASP used to own it. Now...
-Lloyd Aereo Boliviano. I think they have been run to the ground by VASP. What is their identity? They have none, nor do they have a purpose.

Finally, VASP has had the same colors forever, it seems.
Lloyd Aereo Boliviano has the same paint scheme, & so did Ecuatoriana. The colors SUCK, BTW. A really crappy blue & white that looks from the 70's. When will they ever change?
& don't forget they are financially SO bad...
So their you have it. I give praise to airlines when they deserve it (Singapore, Lufthansa, SAS, TACA, Varig, Lan Chile, AeroMex, United, Qantas, etc.), but I also will blast them when they suck (Cubana, Aerolineas Argentinas, Korean Air, TWA, etc.), & VASP is one of them.

I would rather see them go than TransBrasil...

That is why VASP should be called WASP. They sting & hurt everything they touch, including their passengers.

A hell bent in world domination Derico.

My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
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User currently offlineAir_Chick_757 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (16 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

For your information, VASP (yuck) is making a contest open to all brazilian residents to make a new livery to their company, but the colors remain the same. try www.vasp.com.br
I think they have an english version...

VASP really sucks...  

Julia, Porto Alegre, Brazil

User currently offlineAVIA_Arg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (16 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

I only flew VASP once between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo and I did have carry-on only...so it was ok...but yes I've heard bad stories...my cousin (funny story) blames VASP for breaking up his marriage! He is one funny guy...this is what happened...coming back from a vacation from Miami the were on a flight to Sao Paulo and then on to Buenos Aires. The flight was delayed (by the way it was an MD-11) about two hours they take off bound for Sao Paulo. Imagine everyones surprise when they land in I think it was Fortaleza, then Natal, Salvador then finally Sao Paulo...miss the connection to Buenos Aires ofcourse...when they finally do get to EZE they don't have their luggage...now my cousin said if VASP would have kept their word on a nonstop flight and everything would have gone according to schedule his marriage would have been alright...LOL! That's what we let him think...

I've always liked VARIG...never tried TransBrasil or TAM...any comments on them?

User currently offlineAir_Chick_757 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (16 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Comments on TAM and Transbrasil

Transbrasil never caused any trouble with their passengers. Here in Brazil it´s the company that "doesn´t stink and doesn´t smell", in plain english: a regular company

TAM is growing up a lot. But they had their bad moments 4 years ago when their Fokker F-28 100 Friendship crash on a residential area killing all 100 aboard. This crash destroyed their reputation. Flying TAM was asking to make a trip to hell or heaven (depending of your way of life)   Either you risk your life flying TAM or try another company. Then, a year later they had another accident with their Fokker 100: The plane was on a flight from Sao Jose dos Campos to
Congonhas. An explosion caused explosive decompression and a six-foot hole in the side of the fuselage. One passenger was sucked out of the plane and died. A small bomb containing 7 ounces of explosives was placed under a passenger seat. I have pictures of it on some magazines.
Then they recovered their good image by buying modern aircrafts (Airbus). you might want to check their website: www.tam.com.br worth a visit  

Julie, Porto Alegre, Brazil

User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (16 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Someone in this forum once mentioned that VASP had misplaced his luggage on a flight to Brazil. He said he would never fly them again. My Brazilian friend called Otto told me he has flown VASP, & that it is the worst of all the Brazilian "big" airlines.

So I guess then that...VASP BLOWS!!    

User currently offlineAVIA_Arg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (16 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

THANKS for the info!


User currently offlineAir_Chick_757 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (16 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Anytime you need info on brazilian aviation, just ask me! Also TP343 and Leo-ERJ are here often, of course they know more than me   I think I´m being useful around here    

TAM´s fleet is basically consisted of:
* A330-200
* A319
* Fokker 100
* Fokker 50
* Cessna Caravan

Transbrasil´s fleet contains:
* 5 767-200/ -200ER
* 3 767-300ER
* 9 737-300
* 4 737-400
As the website says, the youngest fleet in Latin America...

I hope this helps  


User currently offlineCanadian747400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (16 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Am I the only one who actually likes them??? I flew on them from Toronto to New York, and had no problems. Their service was excellent considering it was just a one hour flight. They were friendly, and the flights were on time both ways, and I did get my luggage. I actually like their colours, and think they have one of the best colour schemes. They have excellent aircraft, and it's too bad that more people don't like them. When it comes to misplacing luggage, ANY airline can do that. To say that an airline has never caused trouble just doesn't make any sense, because there will always be some luggage being sent on a different plane, or whatever. They have a good safety record and get you from point A to B. Just my opinion, but give Vasp a chance...they aren't so bad as everyone tries to make them sound.

User currently offlineAir_Chick_757 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (16 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Lucky you...  
VASP is Brazil´s most hated airline, ask any brazilian here and they will answer you the same thing  
Actually luggage misplace happens with all airlines, but not all the time as happens for those who travels with VASP... I´m telling the plain truth!
Just a comment...  

Julie, Porto Alegre, Brazil

p.s.- VARIG was "born" in Porto Alegre  

User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (16 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

I feel sorry for Lloyd Aereo Boliviano; I read that there was a lot of protest in LAB and in Bolivia, everybody very unhappy with the privatization and the Vasp management. They wanted to take control out from Vasp because they denounced they skip on training and other investments.

I flew LAB once before being privatized. It is an excellent airline, its staff very professional and the service impecable. Always on time and both B727 and A310 in pristine condition. Hope Vasp don´t harm this good airline, one of the oldest in South America.

User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4370 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (16 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

So it seems most people dislike VASP, & they deserve it.
If VASP changes its ugly paint scheme, & if I hear someone actually LIKING them (sorry, Canadian747400, but a one hour flight from Toronto to New York by a Canadian, specially if you like their livery, doesn't cut it for me as a reliable review), maybe I will change my mind, I always give second chances, sometimes third chances... (sometime fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth chances, sometimes ni...) 

A hell bent in world domination Derico

Alert to all Latins, & anyone else!!: I will come with an announcement soon, if you know me, this announcement may shock you...

My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineHpa318 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (16 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

I never flew them, I was "lucky" enough to work for them in JFK. The worse 4 months of my life.They treat passengers like crap, and employeeslike sh-t! What a nasty, horrible excuse for an airline. I dont know how theyre ibusiness.People should stop givng them business. Those flights were always jam packed! And about them making unscheduled stops...Once VP889 schedule JFK-GRU went JFK-MIA-Fortaleza-Salvador-RIO-SAOIf I recall the MIA flight was on an 8 hour mechanical and only 70 passengers or so, so the JfK flight picked some up in MIA, then Picked up VIP cargo in Fortaleza. Then dropped off some MIA pax in Salvador, continued to GIG instead of GRU due to bad weather, then after 2 hours in GIGfinally made it to Sao Paulo, 7 or so hours behind schedule. They always do that,makes no sense. Another funny flight was again VP889wen to MIA because Ecuatoriana's only DC-10was on a huge delay, Mechanical of course to pick up 130 pax. So it went JFK-MIA-GYE-UIO-GRUanother nightmare flight. So in short if that dosent scare you away from V-ery A-rrogant S-tupid P-eople, I mean VASP, Good Luck on your flight with them. Varig rules!!!!!!

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2807 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (16 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

I once read a report in a now defunct magazine called business class flyer or something that LAB was a good airline. I have heard many bad reports that the employees are not happy and sometimes strike or threatend to strike. However, I have heard from some that LAB is a good airline to fly. Ecuatorina, I don't know, but just yesterday I visited their website. I know that Ecuatoriana like Saeta is in not in a good condition due to the economic problems in Ecuador.

As I was reading in your articles I read them as if Ecuatoriana had suspended service. Is this true or is it just my mind?

User currently offlineCanadian747400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (16 years 4 months ago) and read 1796 times:

I agree that you can't judge an airline by a one hour flight, but just comparing their one hour flight to another airline, it was much better. (Maybe I was just lucky) My father flew on Vasp from YYZ to POA and he also thought their service was excellent that time (although he still prefers Varig too - I never had a chance to fly on Varig).

I'd say give this airline another chance, and if you still hate it, come and blame me!  

User currently offlineTP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (16 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Hello!As you could see, Brazilians definitely don't like VASP at all. Their services are not good, they are the leader when we talk about lost luggage, overbooking and reservation cancellation, and they pass the impression that they are not well managed at all: their network is very weird (flights with several stops and destines flown just 1-2 time/week), their planes are old (despite the 8 MD-11s, which, by the way, one is reported to be abandoned in Guarulhos in order to provide parts to the others, since VASP hasn't international credit anymore and other 2 are going to be returned to the lessor due to debts VASP didn't pay), they always announce products and services that never become true: the creation of Brata (their regional airline), orders for EMB-120s, A310-300s, B737NG and B777, not to mention that their financial condition is always deplorable. It surprises me a lot to know that their punctuality is, however, the best among the Brazilian air carriers!


TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.

User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (16 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

I guess we all agree we should send our luggage on any airline except VASP. VASP needs to restructure. When they do, I would be willing to try them again.

BTW, there is a problem between Argentina & Italy regarding Aeropuertos 2000. I don't really understand what the problem is, what I surmised was that Italy wants the Argentine government to take care of maintenance of the airports, so that the Italian company partners with AA2000 can focus on investing & infrestructure of the airports. But the problem is SO SERIOUS that both presidents have talked about it twice now. Can anybody simplify for me?
Even some polititians in Italy say that they would not support Argentina for a rotating security Council seat at the UN with Brazil, even if Argentina helps Italy become a permanent member. Brazil of course would be happy with that, because then that would help them get what they want, a permanent seat in the UN security council.
But Brazil would still need Argentina's vote approval, of course Argentina will never give Brazil that.

What does that have to do with aviation...NOTHING!!
But, just like with the aviation agreements between countries the POLITITIANS always want to mix everything up, ridiculous...

Keep the POLITICS away from AVIATION!!

User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 674 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (16 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

I flew VASP one time, and I hope never more.
some experiences during my trip in Business class BRU-Salvador de Bahia:

* No cold champagne.
* only one cold meal consisting of a salad and a bad dessert (NO choice)
* a check in agent who put me in economy although my ticket clearly said J class.
* a crappy old DC10 operated by Skyjet with a seat pitch of 38 inch.
* a delay of 3 hours

I must say that on the flight to Brazil, meal service was adequate, with good quantity and reasonable quality.

The flight attendants were always courtious and attentive, it wasn't their fault their airline failed in delivering a good product.

By the way, I LOVE BRAZIL, Salvador and Fortaleze rule!!
my dream: to fly for a Brazilian airline once... If I only knew portugese..


User currently offlineLeo-ERJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

I guess Vasp cannot really be summed in a few words, but in a general case it has indeed been proven to be correctly disliked by almost all people. I have received a message from a friend who somehow got hold of the info on Vasp's maintenance log records. He said that the company did not appropriately space out the various A,B,C,D checks throughout a required amount of time between each other during the late eighties and early nineties. It became evident later on as DAC (Brazil's FAA) grounded several of its aircrafts due to technical purposes...no wonder! Plus all the financial and managerial dodginess the company has gone through, it proves to me it should've ceased to exist ages ago. In my opinion this will happen soon. As Vasp fades away, TAM and TransBrasil are fused together to face up Varig. That will be the scenario period in a short time.

The saddest thing happening with the company nowadays is the act cannibalism it is carrying out with its fleet. It is a common practice for airlines to do this, but Vasp's case is far more desperate. From generators, avionics, APU components to even seats. All has been ripped out from already two aircrafts sitting and dying slowly and painfully in GRU's tarmac. They are indeed sacrificing to poor MD-11's to supply the rest of the fleet with their components. I feel for those two babies, who just happen to fall in the wrong hands.

Too much for organ donation. I'm not sure the aircrafts stated they would be donors before being "slaughtered"...anyway...here's what it looks like...sad view..

poor baby!


User currently offlineCanadian747400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Does anyone know the registrations of the MD11's being "slaughtered"? I know that Vasp had PP-SPD (one of their MD11's) sitting here in Toronto for the whole summer. Also, what's going on with the leasing? It seems like the leasing company wants to take over four MD11's. Is this true, or is there something else going on?

User currently offlineArgento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

I have seen those aircrafts in GRU, I have twice last year, and I cant belive this patetic scenario,two MD11 with no more than 8 year in that situation,really very sad.I will never fly VASP in my life.

User currently offlineTP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1763 times:


I have just read this in the newspaper Folha de São Paulo from today (Saturday, 5th February):

AVIAÇÃO - Liminar foi suspensa pela justiça

A juíza da 1a. Turma da 2a. Região do Tribunal Regional Federal, Julieta Lunz, suspendeu ontem o mandato de segurança que garantia à VASP o direito de não pagar taxas aeroportuárias diariamente e continuar voando.

A partir de hoje, segundo decisão da Justiça, a companhia fica obrigada a pagar as tarifas todos os dias. Caso contrário, a empresa estará impedida de embarcar passageiros. A VASP entrou na Justiça para pleitear o recolhimento semanal ou mensal das taxas.

A empresa informou que vai recorrer à instância superior, mas que, enquanto isso, fará o pagamento diário. A empresa ainda terá que aguardar o julgamento do mérito da ação impetrada pela Infraero, que exige o pagamento das taxas em troca de a empresa continuar prestando serviços.

A companhia também está sendo investigada pelo suposto uso de certidões negativas de débito do INSS (Instituto Nacional de Segurança Social) falsas na prestação de serviços à ECT (Empresa Brasileira de Correios e Telégrafos).

O DAC (Departamento de Aviação Civil), órgão da Auronáutica responsável pela fiscalização das atividades das companhias aéreas, informou estar examinando que medidas poderá tomar.

Segundo nota do Comando da Auronáutica divulgada ontem, o DAC consultou o INSS e a ECT e recebeu a informação de que os documentos usados pela VASP eram falsos. A VASP insiste na autenticidade dos documentos.


Translation (free owrk done by myself):

Due to the poor financial condition, VASP started not to pay the airport taxes everyday (as the National law rules). But, Infraero ("Empresa Brasileira para a Infra-estrutura Aeroportuária" - the responsable entity for the National airports) applyed a lawsuit against VASP and won. Since today, VASP must pay the taxes (over landings, area occuped in airports, take-offs, airport services,...) everyday. If VASP doesn't pay, they will be imediately prohibited of boarding passengers.

Another problem the article told: It was discovered that VASP was using false documents in order to pay less taxes and receive more financial supports when transporting mail for ECT (the Brazilian mail company) and when registering employes on INSS (the Brazilian previdency system).

What a shame!

Another one: I read on Flap Internacional number 328, from January'00 (Brazilian magazine about commercial aviation) that VASP is "seriously thinking" about replacing its MD-11s with modern B767-400ER or A330-200 and the B737-200s with modern and state-of-the-art B737-400 and -500.


An airline which is canibalising an MD-11 because has no money nor international credit is really going to lease/buy 7-8 new long-haulers! Oh yes...

Humourous regards,

TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2807 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Hello everyone!

I was just wondering that with all the turmoil with commericial aviation in Brazil and especially with VASP I would think that Vasp would be in serious trouble and near bankrupt. If they don't have money to purchase spare parts for their MD-11's then the situation must be critical right!

Also, do you think that VASP will make it out alive!? I don't see how an airline with so many problems stay alive too long. How many cities does VASP fly in Europe? I know that Vasp used to fly from Sao Paulo to Los Angeles and then to Seoul but I thought that was an odd and interesting route. First of all, there is many competition from LAX to Seoul. Korean Air, Asiana, and other asian airlines that make a stop there before continuing on to LAX. I know this is old, but I think VASP was flying this route more out of prestige than anything else. Since Varig fly's to Tokyo and Nagoya from LAX, VASP wanted to look good too.

Why doesn't VASP stop flying to so many European destinations? These routes are nice but very expensive if you aren't making money off them.

User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4370 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1760 times:


It seems this was a good topic. Thanks for all those stories & comments on VASP.

VASP is in much worse shape that I had originally believed. Indeed, it is very funny to see how they are dismantling MD's in Sao Paulo, have NO CREDIT, & at the same time want to MODERNIZE their fleet!! 

We will see what happens with them...

As for the other Latin Airlines, I hope that a new age will come when EACH airline has a particular flavor of the country, not the same old like today. But, privatization has taken its toll, as airlines care more about $$$ than prestige.

The airports in Latin America are indeed changing for the better, finally. I want to take a "hopper-trip" to Latin America to check all the major airports, & how they have changed, and rate then in the process. Maybe some day...
(for the Argentinos)

No wonder so many NEW ARGENTINOS in here in the Forum!! I NOW HAVE READ Internet is finally exploding in Argentina!!
In 1998, Brazil was WAY AHEAD of Argentina; Mexico was also very ahead. Argentina was behind Chile, Venezuela & Colombia!!   embarrassing...

But, now, WE ARE #1!!!!!!
We are now ahead of everybody in Latin America, 2.3% of the population has internet! #1 in new internet companies, also!!

Let hear it for Argentina!!!          

Derico now in Hell.

My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineArgento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Derico, we are really happy whith your information, and proud of it.I really enjoy these forums with argentinian and people from around the globe, in these profesional level of discutions.I really want that our airlines going to be number 1 also.

User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4370 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (16 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

I know, I would like for Aerolineas Argentinas, or any other airline from ARG, to be #1...

...but we are not.

Unfortunately, we have one of the worst flagship airlines in Aerolineas. AR is VERY FAR AWAY from AeroMexico, Varig, TACA, let's not even talk about LanChile.

Maybe some day in the future things will improve...

Anyways, AR has been talked too much lately. I just want to see what is going to happen before I make any new comments on the airline.


Derico in Hell.

My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
25 Post contains images Flyf15 : Haven't read the other posts... but I'd just like to say I enjoy their livery.
26 Post contains links Derico : Hello, I just came back from MIA, & I saw a VASP plane on the distance (perhaps an MD, couldnt tell) that had all its doors missing...is this normal p
27 Post contains links Derico : Tue, 8 Feb 2000, 11:21pm EDT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brazil's Vasp Averts Shutdown, Agrees to Restart Payment of Airport Fees Brasil
28 AKelley728 : I heard that the Continental and VASP code-share alliance is terminating at the end of March. I for one am glad that Continental is terminating this a
29 Post contains links TP343 : Hello! This post is just to update you all about how the is the current situation of VASP. It's composed by a collectania of articles and an interview
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