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TUI To Order 80 Planes!  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4151 posts, RR: 37
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

The Financial Times Deutschland reports that Preussag, the mother companyof TUI will enter into talks with Airbus and Boeing in about 9 months regarding an aquisition of 80 planes for delivery until 2010. A decision will be made mid-next year and will involve fleet requirements for Hapg-Lloyd, Britannia, NEOS, White Eagle Aviation and Corsair. Part of the order will be covered by leasing the planes.

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User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

I guess more B737/800 for medium/short-haul, maybe some B737/900 with an extra emergency exit and A330/200 for long-haul.



User currently offlinePtica2000 From Slovenia, joined Nov 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Hm, I think they will go only for one of them. I count on Airbus. They mostly have Boeing now but they need a refreshment.

Nejc


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24822 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

I expect an all Boeing order.


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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

I guess that would include replacements for HF´s 310s and SS´s 747s? Hmm, they operate already 767 (BY) and 330 (SS). It will be interesting to see the outcome. Don´t holiday airlines LOVE the 757/767 family for their economics? The cargo handicap isn´t that important for this type of airline.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2326 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 2174 times:

Who is SS?
I hope this isn't a german airline...don't think it will be very popular in "die Niederlande". Nothing personal, I did not experiance wwII [neither did my parents, but SS is still extremely sensitive in the Netherlands.

PW100



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

SS=Corsair, Homebase: Paris Orly


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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2326 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Thomas_Jaeger

Thanks for clarifying that!
I believe they fly 2 ex KLM 742's or have they been phased out by now?

PW100



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

I'm hoping for an all-Boeing order!!


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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2074 times:
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While part of Preussag Hapag Lloyd were very reluctant to pursue a "single supplier" fleet strategy because it leaves the airline somewhat "captive" to one manufacturer in future fleet decisions. If you have a single supplier fleet it is a major upheaval to introduce a new type, plus you are unlikely to be able to negotiate the best deals for follow-on orders if you have a single supplier fleet.

It is unclear whether TUi takes the same view or not...

The TUi fleets are as follows
Britannia B757/B767
Britannia AB B737/B767
Hapag Lloyd B737/A310
Corsair B737/A330/B747
Neos B737
White Eagle B737

I think there's a possibility of orders for the B737-900X and A330-200, and possibly the B777/A340 for Corsair to replace their ageing B747 fleet.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

boeing shorthaul, airbus longhaul

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

. I count on Airbus. They mostly have Boeing now but they need a refreshment.

And how would ordering new Airbus' over new Boeings be a "refreshment"????


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

The A330 is 10 years younger than the 767, the A320 20 years younger than the 737..

User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

If Corsair belongs to Preussag/TUI group, do we see a 747SP in the new TUI livery in the future?

User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Racko
The A330 is 10 years younger than the 767, the A320 20 years younger than the 737..

They will order 737NGS which are younger than the A320 and as the 767/ A330 true (nothing has really been done to the 767 200 and 300), but now there is the 400 and 777 200 so the age thing is not only rediculous but it has no foundation especially when one looks at the 737 600- 900 family which has successfully carry on the name of the 737 family.

Please visit http://www.boeing.com



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Most European charter companies, aswell as Air Transat and Canada 3000 have chosen for the A330, the A330 clearly took the lead over the 767. I can imagine the range and extra seating being one of the reasons, aswell as the € to $ rate. Wich of both aircarft is the more expensive one when looking at the listed price?


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4151 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

It will finally come down to the price, I could imagine a mix of further B737-800, coupled with A321-200s for higher-density routes with the B737-900X being possible, too. For long-haul requirements the A330-200/300 will make the race, the B767 is no longer the ideal fit as several charter carriers have shown in the past. The cargo capacity IS of importance on a number of flights, especially from Germany towards the Carribean and destinations in the Indian Ocean where they bring in many goods.

Regards
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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

"They will order 737NGS which are younger than the A320"

If i take a Golf I, put a rear wing on it and label it as Golf NG, is it also newer than a 2002 BMW M3 ?


User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1752 times:

Corsair B747-300 should be replaced within 4 or 5 years.
The 5th 747-300 will join the fleet mid june and registered F-GSKY.


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 1728 times:

"If i take a Golf I, put a rear wing on it and label it as Golf NG, is it also newer than a 2002 BMW M3 ?"

I agree with Racko here, although the 737NG is apparently younger than the A320, a great deal of it's technology remains 1960s (in the same way that a great deal of the 747-400's technology is 1970s etc...).

Anyway here at Britannia we have simply been told the 767-400 and A330-200 are being considered for longhaul fleet expansion (with a view to ultimate replacement). The A330 is thought to be the favourite.

Whether the shorthaul fleet (757s) would then in future become A320/321 aircraft is anyone's guess.

From a totally selfish point of view, I hope we stick with the 757/767, but that is unlikely.  Sad



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User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

I thought Corsair was owned by the French tour operator Nouvelle Frontieres. Does Nouvelles belong to Preussag also?

TNNH


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Racko: No, but it's a lot newer than a 1987 Renault Big grin.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

That same 2002 BMW M3 is still at heart a 3 series, thusly derived from a 3 an E21 ~1981ish 320i?

Following your logic, the 2002 M3, one of the best handling production cars ever made, is old, tired, and outdated.

I don't think anyone would make the above claim.

The new M3 is much like the my old 3 series, both have 4 wheels, a steering wheel, brakes, and even an engine.

So that 737Ng is exactly like the 737Classics, since they share the same cabin diameter!

I guess the only thing that would make the new M3 new and good is having 5 wheels, or no engine, something completely different from the older 3 series??? I dare say you are wrong.

Whomever calls the 737NG old technology has no idea what they are talking about.

Respectfully,
George




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User currently offlineF+ Rouge From France, joined May 2000, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

I agree to Airblue: 737-800 and eventually -900X for short- and medium haul plus A330-200 for long haul.

Regards,

F+ Rouge


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10368 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Corsair is flying some of the most densely seated 747s so A340s or 777s cannot fill their place. For me Corsair is a hot candidate to become a secondhand operator of 744s in a few years, taking some early SIA planes perhaps.

25 Corsairf/a : Corsair belongs to Nouvelles Frontieres which is part of PREUSSAG.
26 Englandair : How long do you think it will be until the airlines are all renamed something like TUI International/TUI Airways/Air TUI etc?
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