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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Just want to correct all you people on the forum about the aircraft flying CI611 today.

Yes, CI611 is operated by 744 according to the timetable, BUT, CI officials temporarily called their only 742 to fly this route today.

The plane departed at 1508LT from Taipei, and crashed around 10Knots NW of PengHu Island. The plane registered B18255, flew 64810 hours, and was originally going to sold to Oriental thai Airlines around June. The age is 22.8years.

The captain flew 6128 hours, the co-pilot 6244 hours, flight technician 18024 hours.

Today's deadly CI611 was suppose to be the last flight of this 747-200 serving China Airlines.
Peoples from Chuanghua county found these debris fallen from the aircraft.

This is the 14th crash in China Airlines' since 1958, 4th major crash between Taiwan and HK.

Rescue service.

At this stage, rumours are specualting that the 747 exploded in the midair. Before the crash 2 CX jet received an SOS call from CI611.

If all 225 on board confirmed killed, this will be the crash that has the largest number of deaths within Taiwan. In 1994, CI crashed A300 in Nagoya, 265 killed, the largest number of passengers killed outside Taiwan.

Meanwhile, 1 law maker from Taiwan, 2 journalists from UDN News are among the passenger list of the CI611 crash.

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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Also, it seems like CI suffers major crash every 4 years.

User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Saw this exact aircraft last month at Changi in the afternoon. It was a surprise to see a CI 742 (pax) operating out of Changi. May the pax on that fated flight rest in peace.


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User currently offlineDcy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Before the crash 2 CX jet received an SOS call from CI611.

Where did you get that from? From what I know, they've heard the emergency pinger go on on either the FDR or the CVR (or both for that matter).

dcy.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Thx for this interesting info Jiml1126.

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Actually CI timetable didn't show any regular 742 flight this summer.

民航局指出,在失事當時,曾有兩架國泰班機,飛經失事現場,曾接收到失事班機的緊急定位發報機信號;但未收到任何有關求救信號。

I think I made a wrong comment about CX jet receiving SOS call from CI. CX did not receive SOS call, it only receives ordinary emergency reports.

By the way, the crash site is close to the the crash site of China Airlines' 737 crash in 16 years ago. There was a story about that crash. A China Airlines' flight attendant who was killed in the 737 crash 16 years ago survived the 747SP emergency landing in SFO the year before.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2591 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

What departure time does CI timetable show for flight 611?
I understand that auctual departure time was 15.11 local time.

PW100



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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

CI timetable shows that CI611 is operated by 747-400.

Departing Taipei at 1440LT, arriving HK at 1625LT.

Before the plane depart, one of the former law maker from KMT called his family saying that the 747-200 was having technical problems.

I'm not sure what's wrong with one of their 744 and CI decided to get the 742 to fly it's "VERY LAST FLIGHT" for CI.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2591 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

How ironic that this should be the last flight [in more than one way...] for B18255...

This is waht I posted on the other thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/829849/

Many people have already stated in previous posts that this particular flight is usually operated by a 744. it may well be that the aircraft initially intended for this flight [a 744] was inop and had been replaced by ill fated 742 as a late call. It could very well have been sitting on a bloody hot ramp all day [as an operational spare], with only vapour in its CFT. The short flight to Hong Kong certainly won't require fuel in the CFT. Not only the temperatures at Taipei create identical characteristics as with TWA800. All indications are that it suffered from a catostrophical in-flight break up as well:
* no distress call;
* aircraft disappearing from radar AT 30000 ft or so, with no apparent secondary radar-signs of loss of altitude;
* cabin pieces like in-flight magazines etc found tens of miles away from what appear to be main wreckage point;
* witness claims to have heard a [violent?] explosion.

I am curious to learn what the active duty of this particular aircraft was the previous 24 hrs. Any Taipei spotters know if this aircraft had been sitting idle for some hours on a ramp at Taipei prior to the crash?

It sure is smelling like another TWA800. Maybe a lot of speculation, but this horrible accident could just shine a completely different light on the conspiracy theories of TWA800...

PW100



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Very sad indeed. I flew on this particular aircraft back in 1991 from Manila to Taipei on my way to AMS. wow I cant believe this.

drew



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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2175 times:



Eyewitness heard big explosion sound, that's true.

Eventhough the plane plunged into the Taiwan Strait, but some farmers on the Taiwan's mainland found inflight magazines and newspapers with China Airlines' title on it.

So I think this might be an explosion that caused the crash, otherwise these magazines and newspapers won't "FLY" on its own to the main island, which is 100 to 200KM away from the crash site.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

It sure is smelling like another TWA800. Maybe a lot of speculation, but this horrible accident could just shine a completely different light on the conspiracy theories of TWA800...

Ah, inflight explosion/break up = TWA800? Nope. There are few indications at this time that this is a centre tank explosion. Time will tell. Don't speculate.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

I didn't even know CI was still operating the 747-200 passenger variant. That's what also surprised me, I thaught they only operated 747-200F Fullfreighters. I hope investigators will find the cause of this crash. I does sound a bit like the TW800 crash. I still find the TW800 crash to be a very suspicious one......

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

742 was flying Taipei-Hong Kong and Ho Chi Minh in 2001/02 winter schedule.

User currently offlineB777 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2091 times:

Just saw CBS news on TV on the crash. Apparently, they didn't do their research as the picture behind the newsannouncer showed the tail of an Air China jet superimposed on a flag of the People's Republic of China (aka red China)!

James


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 2058 times:

Just want to correct that the CI611 wasn't the last flight of the 747-200. CI was planning to use the 742 for another flight next week.

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 2023 times:

It's already being discussed here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/829849/



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User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

There have been serveral accident near Penghu. Passing through there is not recommanded. But many flight pass through there, such as TPE-HKG, HKG-KIX, and so on......

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

I didn't know that CI had a passenger 742 in operation, thought they were all converted to freighters. When CNN made the announcement that it was a 747-200, I was thinking to myself oh great, they stated the wrong aircraft again!! But moments later after reading some of the info posted in the forum, I stood corrected. I'd never seen a CI passenger 742 at CLK when spotting, only their 742Fs.

I won't say what might've happened onboard the 742, but speculation is rife in the media that the crash may have been caused by problems with the wiring or cables due to the plane's old age BUT this is just speculation & not my opinion. I don't like the theory of a plane's old age being the cause of a crash. There's no reason why a 30-year-old properly maintained plane shouldn't be as safe as a 10-year-old one.

Hkg82.






User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2181 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

There have been serveral accident near Penghu. Passing through there is not recommanded. But many flight pass through there, such as TPE-HKG, HKG-KIX, and so on......

This is kind of ridiculous.

If a same area suffered major accidents several times, it means its not safe to fly over there? Then what about the path from JFK to Europe? 3 planes crashed on this path, does airline changed its path? no.


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