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Lawmakers Suggest CI Should Change Name  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

News Flash from Taiwan.

3 Law makers from Taiwan released a press release to the media asking the authority should give the victim's family a good care and giving good reasons why CI 742 crashed. Also, it also suggested that China Airlines should change it's name. They recommended that China Airlines should change its name to "Formosa Airlines".

They point out that at least 700 people were killed in the past 12 year's major China Airlines crash. With the yesterday's crash, China Airlines is the name that always popped up to people's head instantly. They suggest that China Airlines should change its not so people will not have the impression of China Airlines = Air Disaster.

According to a survey, China Airlines was among the 29 airlines that was ranked at "dangerous airline" category. And since 1970, the air crash rate of China Airlines is in the top 5 out of 92 airlines.

Law makers points out that they originally thought that after changed their logo to the flower, the bad reputation will be changed as well, but this never happens. And with the "China Airlines" title, everyone just relate the title and air disaster together. And because of the word "CHINA", people always think that Chinese airline has bad reputation in safety.

He also points out that since China Airlines makes people uncomfortable, why not change to Formosa Airlines. This will represent Taiwan 100% and will not make the airlines on the other side (China) feel embarassed with the flight safety. (Because people always think China Airlines is from China. When everytime CI crashed a jet, people think it's the airline from China crashed a jet.)



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User currently offlineIbizajet A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Why Formosa?

On August 8, 1999, Mandarin Airlines merged with Formosa Airlines. Formosa Airlines was originally called Yunghsing Air and was established on May 5, 1966, operating the passenger and cargo service for routes between the islands. In 1990 the airline started serving Taiwan's 13 major domestic air routes and in October 1996 the airline changed its name to Formosa Airlines. On July 1, 1996 China Airlines acquired a stake of 42% of Formosa Airlines aiming at further expanding their domestic operations while at the same time establishing a dense network of international air routes. The merger of Mandarin Airlines and Formosa Airlines signifies a combined strength under the flag of China Airlines.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Is this so when they crash again in a year or two they can say THIS IS NOT CHINA AIRLINES ??

User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Hkgspotter1, I certainly hope you're not wishing for more crashes!

Jimmy


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Jimmy,

Please, Thats nasty. I don't want any plane to crash but you know as well as I do that CI WILL crash another plane in the next 5 years. Look at their past record.


User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

I hope this incident is a wake-up call for CI management. Perhaps they should hire outside (foreign) talent for the purpose of bringing in the necessary expertise & some outside perspective to tackle some of the issues. I'm not trying to degrade local managements' ability to run the airline, but seeking outside advice could bring in new ideas & change the managerial process.

Isn't that what Korean Air did?

Hkg82.


User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

"I hope this incident is a wake-up call for CI management. "

That's 9 major wake-up calls.

Trevor



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User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Yep, That is exactly what Korean Air did, and they were also advised to stop taking in Lunatic 'airforce' pilots.
As a result, Korean Air, now have a very good solid performance, in terms of Safety, and are finally getting back reputation and passengers.

Korean Air, now have a 47% foreign pilot status.

Cheers
Mike


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

AirNewZealand,

Ever been to Korea? Ever flown Korean Air?
Korean Air does not have 47% foreign pilots, whoever told you that. Asiana Airlines, also from these Korean lunatics muwt have 100% foreign pilots? Considered that they only had 1 major crash. I guess they have their cockpits occupied by New Zealanders.
These clichés are really getting boring and seam to be getting out of dust every time an airliner chrashes in Asia
Getting back their reputation? KE has grown from a small regional airline to one of the biggest airlines in Asia with one of the youngest fleet and over 100 aircraft. KE inflight service is rated as one of the finest in the world and their cabin crew is famous for their 100% dedication towards the comfort of their passengers. I can think of a lot of airlines who can only dream of such a fleet and reputation.
Look further than your local newspapers and TV stations, it can give a different view of things.



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User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

How about CFIT Airlines?

-Clovis


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

What's the abreviation of CFIT?

Back to the main topic.
I remember the crash of a Value Jet in the Florida Everglades. Value Jet has changed their name in Air Trann, if I'm not mistaken. The Harald of Free Enterprise ferry that went down of the coast of Ostend belonged to Townsend Thoresen, TT too changed their name after the disaster into P&O.
Perhaps it makes sense to change names. But most people who book a flight have no clue what airline they are flying and will certainly not have a clue about their safety record, except for aviation enthousiast like you and me. Any other examples of airlines that changed names after multiple crashes?



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

'KE cabin crew famous for their 100% dedication towards their passengers'?

Spare us the publicity spiel. Every airline likes to think their cabin crew are the best. Every airline, however, has good ones and bad ones.
What awards has KE won for service?

KE's reputation has NEVER been as great as you seem to think it is. At least since the KE007 shootdown, it's been classified as 'unsafe' (rightly or wrongly) by the public. It's just an average airline in a region that has many standout airlines.




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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Manni,

The cockpit problems at Korean Air have been well-documented over the last few years. Communication between pilots and co-pilots was found to be restricted because of the hierarchical beliefs. Co-pilots too often kept quiet so as to respect the lines of authority. I wonder how many other nations suffer this with their pilots.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Aerokiwi,

...as to respect the lines of authority... that's a lot better than ...lunatic air force pilots... Anyhow it seams to work with Asiana.

TG992, (another New Zealander, what a coincidence)

...it's just an average airline in a region that has may standout airlines...

You hit the nail on the head! Indeed (SQ, CX, JL, NH, OZ) but put it in any other region and it is top notch.



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User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

LOL CFIT= Controlled Flight Into Terrain
 Laugh out loud


User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 782 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1258 times:

Air Tran was another airline already. Valuejet and Air Tran merged.

Sunil



User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1247 times:

Thank you Sunilgupta.
As I said "If I'm not mistaken".



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User currently offlineAirbus A3XX From Australia, joined May 1999, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1221 times:

I think it is of no use to change their name.
People would still remember these horrible accidents.


User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

In fact, I have flown KE twice, and I know what you are talking about.
I know the Korean Culture very well, and if you are Korean yourself, how bout talking to me?? I can speak Korean.

Just because I am from a Country that is hundreds of miles away, does not mean I don't know who, or what Korean Air are.

In fact, I think you need to research your facts. They do have around 47% foreign pilots. If you looked at their Cockpit crew stats, Foreign, you will see that nearly half are from different parts of the world.

As for Cabin Crew, yes they are one of the best in the world, and KE is an actual fact my favourite Airline.

I have travelled all over South Korea, From SEL-Chonju. I stayed in Iksan for 3 weeks, and then travelled up. Visiting many tourist attractions, and palaces. We learnt all about the history of Korea. I think I may know more than you if you are not Korean.

Have a great day dude, and I would just like to point out, I think you may not of been to Korea, or maybe you have on a 'business trip' as so many people on this forum seem to do!!

You said that they have one of the youngest fleets, well that has only just come about. They started to do this in 1998 if I believe after the Guam crash, as people saw them as a unsafe airline with an OLD fleet. It is true, yes, that the NOW have a young fleet.

You say look further than the MEDIA, WELL I FOUND IT ON THE KE WEBSITE, BEFORE I FLEW THEM, AS WE WERE A BIT SKEPTICAL WHEN BOOKING OUR TICKETS!!

I think you owe TG992 and I an apology for your outrageous stereotyping of my country, and race!
No wonder you are not respected by many, due to this.

Jal Ga
Mike


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

AirNewZealand,

I find New Zealand a great country, if you had the impression that I was taking the piss with your country, well I'm not. As I said "what a coincidence" without any further meaning. Dont know what that has to do with your "race", we might even be from the same "race".

Are you Korean? No I'm not Korean and yes I have been several times to Korea and still travel often there. It is possible that you know more about Korea, however being married to a Korean woman who teaches me everything about her country and culture I do have a very good knowledge about that country.

One more thing, I would appriciate it not to call me "dude", wathever that means. It sounds very ordinary.

I wish you very pleasant future flights on KE!






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User currently offlineAsianaAirlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

Manni, "dude" means guy. As in: "Hey what's up dude". Its not an offensive term.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

funniest part of this thread:

"KE cabin crew famous for their 100% dedication towards their passengers"

What the hell does that mean?? A hundred percent dedication to their passengers???

Thats such marketting bullshit. How do you quantify that every Korean employee has every ounce of his efforts dedicated to passengers??

Spare us from this crap, we read enough of it in our commercialized world.

tnnh


User currently offlineLZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Well...their callsign is "Dynasty"....pronounced "Die-nasty"...not a bad idea  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

Manni,
I am sorry for taking yu post in the worng way. I also apologise, if you think that 'dude' is an offensive word. Like another user posted, it is just another word for man/guy.

To another thing. No i am not Korean, but i have the biggest fascination with South Korea. I think it is a beautiful country, which is much better than say Japan. And with what Japan have done to them, no wonder they hate them!!

Did you know that Korea is much more advanced than Japan, but people are still very skeptical about the country due to the Asian Economic problem that happened!!

Well, if you wanna talk to me more about Korea, give me a Shout...mikeskeins@xtra.co.nz

Cheers
Mike


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

AirNewZealand,

Great to speak to another member who's fascinated by South Korea, it is indeed a great country as are most other Asian countrys. But I must say that my fascination for Japan is as big as for South Korea. Last month I was in Japan and liked it so much that I will be going again at the end of July for 3 weeks together with a visit to South Korea.

So you speak Korean and are not Korean? That's wonderful. I've been trying to speak it for years now but it is way to difficult (partially due to lack of time).

I noticed that some people look to South Korea as a second class country. Call it ignorance or stupidity, but we know better!

Best regards and my apologizes aswell.

Manni



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