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Very Few 757's InEurope?  
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1262 times:
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Compared to the US, there are very few 757's in europe and the middle east. Only BA, Iberia are the only european majors to have a sizeable 757 fleet, with a few charters operating them aswell (Air 2000+Britannia come to mind) Can't think of any ME 757 operators.

Any particular reason for this?

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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

Condor, LTU, BA, Iberia, Air 2000, Britannia, JMC, Finnair, Air anatolia, DHL, Atlas International, Transavia, Dutchbird, Monarch, Icelandair, My Travel and Belair all use 757's and are located in Europe (probably more).

There are quite a few if you ask me...


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Add AirHolland to that list!

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
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But they're not exactly major airlines are they? except BA/Iberia?

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User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

And in the ME EL AL has the 752 in it's fleet.

Max


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

65% (624 of 953 in service) of 757s are operated by US carriers.

Don't have time to add up the European contribution to the total but it's about 20% I guess - still significant.

Source: http://www.757.org.uk



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Max, Just not them, remember Israir(or whatever..), Sout Atlantic airways also do.

Most of the majors don't need the 757, simple as that. Especially not now, with the A321 and A310, and well, its all about your needs I guess....


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3797 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1171 times:
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El Al also is a 757 operator.
Air Belgium used to have one.
Keep is mind that BA was the first non-US airline to introduce the 757 and is the largest non-US operator of the type.
In Russia there is the Tupolev 204, that's the Russian 757.

Ben Soriano
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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

In Europe, the 757 is seen by most airlines as a nice aircraft for mediumrange charters. Larger than a 737 so it can carry more passengers, smaller than a 767 so it can land at smaller airfields (and use less fuel).
Range isn't so much a factor as distances are shorter.
Regular lines use 737s to gain higher frequency, charters use 757s packed full of people happy to be pushed in like sardines in a can to get as many people as possible transported in one flight and still be able to land and take off on the smaller airports at holiday islands.



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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

I guess the reason is that Airbus simply got the most of the 180-220 seat aircrafts needed in Europe. Had the A321 not been made Air France, Lufthansa, SABENA (prior the shut down), Swissair (now Swiss) and others like SAS - and now BA replacing 757s with A321s - would have been very possible B757 customers with the need for many aircraft. Guess the US-market is mostly Boeing and Europe is at the moment Airbus. So simple is that.

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Hello,


The 757 is not even certified in France...


Best regards,
Alain Mengus
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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1155 times:
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Why isn't it certified in France?

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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

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User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

In Europe, A321s make more sense, since you don't need the range of the 757. In the US, the 757 is useful because it can do long transcons and short flights, I don't think there is a need for that capability as much in Europe (for scheduled service, not charters). Plus, I think that the A321 is more slotted between the 738/A320 and the 757 in terms of size/capabilities.

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Max, Just not them, remember Israir(or whatever..), Sout Atlantic airways also do.

It's actually Arkia which is operating some B757-200s/-300s. South Atlantic Airways was liquidated last year after the Spanish authorithies found out, the airline was used for money laundering.



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User currently offlineMike_Steffen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

It's even worse in Japan... Been there almost 3 weeks this spring, and Ihaven't even seen one 757...

Does anyone know an operator, which is flying 757's to Japan??

Mike


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1011 times:
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There's an airline called FAT (Far eastern transport) that has 757's, but i dont know if it's a japanese carrier.

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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 985 times:

FAT is a taiwanese carrier.


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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 979 times:

Hello Arsenal@LHR,


Because so far no French operator required the type to be certified by the Direction générale de l'aviation civile (DGAC). The same happened with the 747SP; Corsair had to keep its airplane under Luxemburgish registration before it was certified (and the airplane was later re-registered as F-GTOM).


Best regards,
Alain Mengus
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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 983 times:
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Just a quick roundup of European 757s;

Condor - 25
Britannia - 19
Iberia - 18
British Airways - 17
JMC Airlines - 17
Air 2000 - 14
DHL - 14
Icelandair - 11
Monarch - 8
LTU - 7
MyTravel - 7
Finnair - 5
Transavia - 4
Atlas International - 3
DutchBird - 3
LTE - 3
Air Anatolia - 2
Air Holland - 2
Air Scandic - 2
Belair - 2
Greenlandair - 1
Martinair - 1
Privatair - 1
Star Air - 1

I make that a total of 189.

The above fleets include aircraft leased in for the summer, and exclude stored aircraft.

As for the A321/B757, while they do compete, It appears in several cases airlines have a case for operating both types in their fleets for different roles. In Europe in particular this involves;
- Air 2000
- British Airways
- Finnair
- Iberia
- Monarch
- MyTravel

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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 941 times:

In the Arabian Gulf, SNAS (a Saudi [?] company operating flights for DHL) has two 757F leased from DHL and in DHL livery but with SNAS titles. Gulf Air also used to have a 757F which IIRC they leased from DHL also and they operated to Belgium on DHL's behalf.

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User currently offlineDuncan From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 880 times:

Royal Nepal Airlines also operate 2 757's and have the distinction of operating the ONLY 757-200C (Convertable). This is a 757 with a MDC (Main Deck Cargo) door and a full set of windows along the window belt, including windows in the MDC door. This was a configuration built by Boeing in production with full production drawings and type certification. The thought was that it would be an alternate configuration to offer customers and satisfy Royal Nepal's requirements. The configuration didn't take-off and now this is a unique 757. There isn't even an STC out there to convert a -200F or -200 pax to this configuration. Check it out:-----


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User currently offlineKj76 From Finland, joined Aug 2001, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 837 times:

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and at least for Finnair's pourposes they fit very well. Total fleet of B757's for Finnair is 6 but Finland is a small country.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 827 times:

Roal Air Maroc also operates the 757.


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 775 times:

Well you guys see more than me!

Auckland gets no 757's! SJ leased 1 from BY afew years ago! And Canada 3000 flew them in once weekly in 99 I think it was, can't think of anymore though.


25 Donder10 : Arsenal, do you remember that Virgin had soem 747 300s on order from Singapore Airlines?In the end,they didnt take them because the 743 isnt certified
26 Arsenal@LHR : Donder Are u sure it was 747-300's? i don't recall VS negotiating 743's with SQ, or was it 744's? Anyone?
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