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The Biggest Problems @ Your Local Airport?  
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 15
Posted (14 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Nearly all airports around the globe have problems just because they can't grow as they would have to.
Airports face opposition from all kinds of sides. First there are natrual limitations such as missing capability to expand as for example the old Hong Kong airport Kai Tak and then there are political problems where politicians that have no clue decide what is to be done or more what is not to be done... Or the people living around the airport that, mostly moved there after the foundation of the airport was built, complaining about noise...

What problems does your local airport face hindering it from growing as it should or could?


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

Runway not long enough and generally no room to expand, poor positioning and bad weather. Bad road and non-existent rail connections.



User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Insane noise abatement procedures leading to the volume of traffic being restricted to far less than what it could be (noise limits over the open sea, comon guys!).

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User currently offlineJonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

San Antonio (SAT)

-80% hemmed-in by city sprawl
-Longest runway only 8,500'
-New Austin Bergstrom Airport 70mi away surpased SAT in pax
-Lousy marketing
-No nonstops to SFO/OAK, MIA or Washington D.C.

User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

At SLC I think the main problem is not enough space in the passenger teminals. Also parking is kind of confusing

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5666 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6762 times:


Current parallel runways too close for simultaneous operation during inclement weather. 3rd parallel to open in 2005.

Surrounded by urban sprawl, Airport & City had to purchase 1/3 of the city of Bridgeton for new runway.

Terminal is a sprawling monster with excessive walks from the far D gates to the far C gates, both of which are gates for AA's hub.

Boeing's military division sits to the NW of the runways, this would have to be moved to expand to the north.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

At ONT, we are closed in on two sides. However, the only thing that LAWA could possibly do is relocate the A lot, and extend the west end of the runway another 2,000 feet. Even if they wanted to do that anyway, there would be a railroad track in the way. The west end can be expanded another 1,500 feet or so, before clearance problems come into play. But even then, They would have to put a major artery road underground.

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User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6755 times:

Providence-T.F Green (PVD)

The longest runway is only 7,100 feet
No room for terminal expansion
No room for runway expansion
Airport is surrounded by residential land (very whiney neighbors)

PVD is a really nice airport though, so I am satisfied with it. It could really use a runway extension (like MHT) though.


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6723 times:
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At LHR, there are several on-going concerns:

Airspace congestion: There are so many planes stacked above LHR and it's so crowded, it's only a matter of time before a major disaster occurs.

Runway capacity: A new runway is desperately needed near or at LHR, traffic queue's can be horrendously long, therefore leading to delays.

A new terminal: At last T5 will be a reality.


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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

LHR seriously needs a 3rd runway.The airport is an economic jewel for the area

User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Here at Guernsey aiport, them main problem would be aicrafts stands. There are to many aircrafts on certain days for all the stands. This means they have to park right on the other side of the terminal. It is going worse soon as they are going to build a new terminal. The are taking out another 4 stands, wich is going to be a big problem for the summer.


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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5361 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6703 times:


1. We need full length taxiways
2. a runway expansion wouldnt go a miss
3. getting into the plane stands can be a nightmare, its basically a dead end, so any plane entering must first wait on departing planes to get out..
4. we need a rail link
5. our owners dont like the airport. they try and make everyone use heathrow, failing that use glasgow.
6. We need to be independently owned!!!

That'll teach you
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7810 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6702 times:
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Arsenal & Alex, just send what you don't want here! (And, no I don't mean the BA stuff  Wink/being sarcastic ). Oh, please don't read below!

Problems at MAN? Where does one begin..terminals only built at half capacity, with funding for expansion on hold, baggage system in both T1 & T2 up the spout (so much so that JMC have said they may pull a few flights out of here and use LPL), management & workforce not seeing eye-to-eye on work practices, airport charges considered too expensive, a certain airline operating aircraft that aren't suitable for T3 & the nimby attitude that resides in Mobberley, Styal & Knutsford. Mustn't forget the blasted Bermuda II agreement which is hindering MAN & the other regionals despite new operations not being party to that agreement.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6674 times:
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It's OK David_Itl, we'll keep the stuff at LHR, we don't have any intention of giving it away Big grin


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User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Williston Sloulin Field International (KISN/ISN)

- No control tower (FSS in GFK on 123.6 though)

- Weight limitations on runway (I believe the max we have gotten is a GIV and a DC-9)

- Barely any commercial traffic, 2 Metros to BIS and SDY and BIL and 2 B1900Ds to DIK and DEN (From a spotters point of view, bad thing, but from a normal person's point of view, its good because the flights serve us well, they're usually not full either)

Thats all that I can think of. I love ISN.. the FBO crew is great, I know them so they allow me to take lots photos of the biz jets and other aircraft that land from the ramp...

...Serge  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4661 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

At ROC (Rochester, NY, USA):

--Crosswind runway is too short at 5500,' and it is hemmed tightly on both ends. Interstate 390 and Erie Canal to the east, a 16-lane rail switching yard to the west. The airport authority gave up on lengthening 10-28 last year and built a 1000' overrun pad out of soft asphalt at the west end.
--Main runway is 8000' which is fine for regular traffic, but limits flexibility. Should originally have been built at 10000' back in the '60's, because now it's hard to justify money to do it. And of course there would be a nightmare of overlapping and excessive environmental review involved.
--Airfares are 4th highest in the nation, according to the US Department of Transportation. Fortunately, the arrival of AirTran in March should help the situation some. But until we get Southwest, there won't be the kind of sea change that is needed.


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5601 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

At Zurich airport (ZRH) our biggest problem is definitely the noise. There are huge political discussions about how to land and take of, directions and runways etc. One problem is also the border to Germany. The Germans want to discriminate massively Zurich in favour to their airports (MUC and FRA). They ask for a complete flight ban on holidays over German territory. What would they do if neighbours of FRA and MUC asked the same???

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (14 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6647 times:

JFK is an unusual case. It had many physical shortcomings and poor transportation access. Most of these problems have been remedied or will be remedied soon, what with completion of the new terminals One and Four, the ongoing work on the new AA terminal, and most of all AirTrain. JFK's main problem today is lack of service. UA has practically abandoned the airport, while DL keeps slashing its once-considerable service levels and has dropped plans for a new terminal. AA is now the dominant carrier, and seems committed to a strong presence what with its new terminal, but the effects of September 11th may yet cause it to reduce its presence at JFK. B6 also has grown into a major carrier at JFK, and if it survives, may eventually displace AA as the largest one.

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User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (14 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6650 times:

Down at HPN (Westchester County Airport - White Plains, NY) our biggest problem is the airport neighbors. They complain about everything, noise, congestion due to airport traffic, planes flying too early or too late, it's really annoying and its preventing airport expansion.

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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (14 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

At Cleveland Hopkins (KCLE):

1. Airport is hemmed in on all sides, so the city constantly has to buy land and buildings and demolish them

2. Length of main runways (parallels 6/24), 8,999 ft. is the longest. This will be fixed in the next two years as the new runway is constructed and the longer of the two current runways is extended.

3. Crosswind runway (10/28) is 6,150 ft. Although I have seen the A300s land on it, it is also poorly positioned (at the arrival end of the 24 parallels) and hemmed in at the east by the Ford Motor Plant and the west by NASA Glenn Research Center. There are no plans to build a new or renovate the existing crosswind runway.

4. Environmental concerns. The airport is constantly under Ohio EPA pressure and the threat of fines for runoff into the wetlands and Abrams Creek, which runs through the southwest end of the airport property. Then Mike White (our former mayor) chose the conventional deicing method for our new deicing facility, and gave the contract to a friend, instead of going with Continental Airlines' preference: a laser deicing facility, which is drive-through just like the one at KEWR, and which doesn't create hazardous runoff. Go figure.

5. Runway configuration (redux): Our existing parallels are too close for simultaneous visual approach/departure. Our reconstructed parallels will still be too close for simultaneous ILS approach. Go figure.

At Burke Lakefront (KBKL):

1. The airport is "on the chopping block" if the Greater Cleveland Growth Association gets its way. Even one city councilman called Burke "toast" because so many people want to simply tear it out as part of our lakefront redevelopment.

2. The runways are 6,198 and 5,197 feet. They cannot be extended. The Army Corps of Engineers has been filling in a diked area north of the airport, adjacent to Runway 6L/24R, but it will be years before it is completely filled and the ground has settled sufficiently for new runway construction.

3. Continental Airlines owns all rights to passenger service out of Burke. They don't seem to have any plans to start even regional commuter service. I have a plan for them, but nobody ever talks to me...  Smile

4. Half the citizens of Cleveland either don't know that Burke exists, or they have no idea what "general aviation" means. Go figure.

At Cuyahoga County (KCGF):

1. What airport? There's an airport out in Richmond Heights? You're kidding me.

2. Hemmed in by residential area.

3. Single runway, ILS only in one direction. Poorly marked. Generally neglected. No dedicated website, either, other than my small one...


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2027 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (14 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Runways desperatly need to be reconfigured.
Two close for dual landings when the fog roles in, but they have to fill in some of the bay, and that will take years of litigation to even get close.
International Terminal is being redone for domestic gates though, seems to be plenty of terminal space and BART (light rail) is almost here, just fix them runways.

GNOSS Field (Novato, CA)
Runway to be expanded from 3300' to 4400' to allow for more jets, almost there, almost, I can't wait, NIMYBs are still all over it, but it might go through

Also, they could use more hangers, dunno if they are working on that, on and off.


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

Biggest problems...
N67-Wings Field, Blue Bell, PA
Grumpy airport neighbors that protest the recent expansion that lengthened the runway from 2600 to 3700 feet, claiming that the jets that would come in with the longer runway would be "too loud" however the King Airs that came in prior to the expansion are much louder than the occasional (maybe twice a month) Citation that comes in...

Also the airport needs an AWOS or ASOS but this is in the works I have heard and will be operational within a year or so...


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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

Does anybody find it annoying that people around airports are the ones complaining about noise. First of all, I bet MOST airports were where they are now BEFORE the houses were built. Therefore, the people who live near the airport should either shut up about the noise or move. If they choose to live by the airport, then they should shut up. It's like first come, first serve. The planes were here first, therefore they have no right complaining. Is anyone with me on this?

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User currently offlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

I'll agree with CMK10 and say that HPN's biggest problem is its NIMBYs and the Westchester County government in general- I can't wait to see what kinds of restrictions they come up with when the current agreement about pax limitations expires in 2004...

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6582 times:
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This is exactly how i and other enthusiasts feel, same thing here at LHR. T5 was supposed to have happened a long time ago but the whingers living around were concerned about niose and pollution. What a load of bollocks!! The airport was there before you were born!!

Why live there if u cant stand the noise and pollution?


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25 GD727 : Flyingbronco50: Yes! I hate it when people who live near airports complain! My opinion is, if you don't want the noise and pollution DON'T MOVE NEXT T
26 Post contains images Blink182 : Flyingbronco05- That drives me nuts more than you would believe. I remember it was either ABC or NBC that was doing a report on airports,delays, and c
27 J.mo : At SLC, the main problem right now is; there are rwy's 35/17, 34L/16R and 34R/16L and they all use the same downwind. There is no east downwind allowe
28 Dinker225 : FlyingBronco. People want too many things. They don't want to commute 2 hours just to catch a plane somewhere and yet they don't want to live with the
29 USAFHummer : yea N67 is one of the oldest airports in Pennsylvania, been around since the 1920's (AOPA was also founded there) and the houses in the area and all c
30 Spark : Blatant Echo hit the problems at SFO right on the head. The runways are too close, and if it even thinks about raining they can only use one at a time
31 Post contains images B747forlife : I'm not sure if these really count as problems but at Washington Dulles International (IAD), they've been having some problems with: 1. Building anoth
32 Airplanetire : ATL The main problem is that the city wants to build a new runway. Of course, people living around the airport complain because of the noise it will a
33 Delta777 : no one flies to Youngstown anymore! Continental, United and US Airways all left, so now we only have Northwest/KLM and a continental codeshare. D E L
34 Nonrevman : Tacking on to DFW, Construction is a nightmare at certain times of the evening. When I go home, I sometimes have to drive 5 miles north to turn around
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : DTW: Well, most of the major problems don't exist anymore. Its probably in the best situation of any of the major airports currently. With a brand new
36 AirNewZealand : NZAA, Auckland Intl. Is just TOO SMALL!! Our airport needs to expand, and gather much more gates for aircrafts!! ZK-NBT...have anything to add?? You a
37 ZK-NBT : Cheers Mikey! I was just thinking what to say about AKL, the only thing I would probably add is the arrivals area is to small at peak times!! The othe
38 AMSMAN : The biggest problem at my home airport (DUB) at the moment is that they're not flying!! (stoopid dumb ass airline)
39 Paulc : My local airport (SOU) has a nice new terminal, great road and rail access - everything you could possibly want. Unfortunately the airport suffers fro
40 Post contains images Donder10 : David, I'll swap you some AA 772s for some AIH 320s I need to go to MAN soon!
41 Indianguy : My local airport PNQ(around 120 miles from BOM) is actually a huge AF base used by the IAF and the Navy. The tiny civil terminal can barely accomodate
42 RayChuang : As my my local big airport (SJC), I can cite two problems: 1. Terminal A is way too overcrowded at times, especially the waiting area in front of the
43 DTW/ORD Fan! : GRR- Gerald R. Ford Intl. in Grand Rapids is very underutilized. For a city that has a metro area population of 1,300,000 , the airport only serves 1.
44 Donder10 : Was it the MP for Staines who said that people should stop bitching about LHR and think about how important it is to the area?No LHR-many less jobs-le
45 Post contains images Leezyjet : At LBA, 1. It's the highest airport in the UK, perched ontop of a hill, so it's either shroud in fog, or has excessively strong X-winds on the main ru
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