Dalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 15 Posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6787 times:
This afternoon Jet Blue announced plans to add LGB service to OAK, SLC, and LAS. On Sept 6 they will add 9 flights to OAK. On Oct 10 LAS gets 6, SLC get 1 and JFK gets one more. This will raise the number of LGB departures to 23.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6452 times:
Way to go, Jetblue!!! I think wonderful news as for more expand of the flight to OAK, LAS, and SLC as for this fall 2002. And need keep it up as for good work with the Jetblue. This is will be soon because into LGB hub, right? What is exactly will to do more destination cities. So please let me know do something. Thanks!!
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5156 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6331 times:
I too expected SLC to get at least 2 flights. We'll have to wait and see what happens when they announce the remainder of the flights from LGB. But then, as already speculated, I assume that many of the slots will go to DEN and SEA, as well as FLL (hmm, kind of strange that FLL was not announced among this round of flights). I would also think that B6 could do well on an LGB-PHX routing.
Anyway, I'm not complaining. I am definitely going to try out B6 on the SLC-LGB leg ASAP.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5156 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6318 times:
Damn it, I forgot to add one thing to my previous post. I do not think that this will worry WN too, too much. Certainly, B6 will be a formindable competitor on all of the above routes but WN is heavily entrenched on all of them. And, WN flies into/out of LAX which, depending on where you live in LA, may be much more convenient than driving down to Long Beach.
National_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6321 times:
Hmm Frequentflier and Spinkid, I don't think National will get killed if B6 ever does start a JFK-LAS route. They seem to be competing with America West quite nicely, but see, I believe it will be a good couple of years before B6 ever decides to do a route such as JFK-LAS, by that time, I just hope National will stay in business!
Fanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1588 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6304 times:
It's good to see the LGB-SLC flight; however, I think it sucks it's only the Late evening, early morning deal. I guess it has something to do with utilizing your aircraft to the maximum Maybe parking the A320 overnight in SLC will be cheaper than LGB? Anyway, I can't complain. I think that the Northern Orange County residents will really love this. LGB is a quick hop from Newport Beach, and cheaper than SNA to SLC.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4419 posts, RR: 35 Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6273 times:
Holy hannah....*nine* flights a day to OAK, that's basically a shuttle. Even JFK-FLL didn't start at nine a day. FATflyer's probably right...that number may fall as other destinations come on line--but only temporarily. Traffic between the LA/ Orange County basin and the Bay area is so dense, and LA-area freeways so congested, JetBlue could wind up actually filling those nine flights.
Southwest runs 22 dailies on LAX-OAK, and eight dailies on SNA-OAK. I'd think they'd have to lose at least some traffic for JetBlue to fill those planes. Those who live closer to LGB than LAX or SNA may not be easily won back to those airports, because of the traffic congestion. Especially SNA, which on *day one* will have fewer WN frequencies than LGB will have B6 frequencies.
I predict detente; WN will lop a flight or two at most on LAX-OAK and SNA-OAK, and B6 will have at least 7 or 8 on LGB-OAK.
UAL-Fan From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 369 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6215 times:
Not to mention all the other expenses associated with LAX and SNA. Last I flew from LGB parking was something like $6.00/day, plenty of space all within easy walking distance to the terminal. That alone would make me drive the few extra miles.
LAX is just a huge headache these days. If given a choice I would avoid that airport at all cost.
Cch362 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6191 times:
Am I the only skeptic!? Going into these west coast markets is going kill JetBlue.
Southwest will easily beat JetBlue's fares: Oakland ($54); Las Vegas ($44); and Salt Lake ($74). Southwest comes up with $39 fares all the time and still makes money.
American and United have either switched to commuters on these routes, or they can benefit from their extensive route network and frequent flyer plans. Their routes can survive JetBlue's new entries.
The biggest concern about JetBlue is the fact that it is not paying for its planes and maintenance now, but it will have to start doing that at some time. It is growing way too fast, and sooner or later it will be completely overwhelmed by costs. Sadly, it has chosen to grow in markets where the fares will be really really low.
I think Denver, Colorado Springs, Portland, and Seattle would be better cities to expand.
Jmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6161 times:
I think/hope that such high numbers to OAK and LAS will be dropped as soon as they cement PDX, SEA, and DEN. Possibly they are using such close destinations so they don't need to use more aircraft from the longer hauls/east coast ops??? Maybe the reason they aren't operating LGB to DEN, PDX, & SEA is because jetBlue already has operations at OAK and SLC, I can't imagine why DEN wasn't added and I don't know why LAS was added.
Rydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 838 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6098 times:
DEN has been added for some time, although the sellout their 1 flight a day, I don't have the exact numbers. Would be nice for them to make DEN a small gateway to their Western Operations. I think it would be a very wise move for them based on their current load factor....Ry
You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17282 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6054 times:
This could set up some interesting events out west. JetBlue could start a fare war with Southwest, and Southwest has a pretty good record in those, case in point, the Shuttle by United war. Even with JetBlue's advantages, it does lack an important thing out West, name recognition. Yes, they have been flying out to the Left Coast for a time now, but they are still a small airline. LGB was brought into the fold to help them grow, but Southwest is a force out there in the low-fare market. JetBlue's plans could also signal the demise of National Airlines, who have been in financial troubles for the last 18 months or so. America West would also be affected by JetBlue as well. I do wish them luck out west, but only time will tell if their product can put a dent into Southwest's armor.
Spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1043 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6049 times:
I know they wanted to use up their slots in LGB. And the easiest way to do that before you have all the planes to fly the exact routes you want is add cities that are close by that will require fewer aircraft to operate the most flights per day and fill up those slots. It is a jumping in headfirst, they have never entered a market with so many flights per day. They still offer a great product though, and should be able to compete very well for themselves.
I did notice, that although they did not add JFK-LAS, you can buy a fare connecing through LGB for the same price as their other west coast flights.
25 Planeguy: Greetings, Pilot113, I believe JetBlue has 25 A320-232's as of this writing. They are scheduled to receive 11 additional aircraft by years end. LGBGUY
26 FATFlyer: For those who are curious, here are the links to the west coast media stories. Long Beach http://www.presstelegram.com/news/articles/0502/29/new01.asp
27 BA: Rydawg82, Not surprising that Frontier knows JetBlue's plans. JetBlue currently uses a Frontier gate, and Frontier does all the maintenance and check-
28 BA: I think we will most definately see LGB-SEA also. Does anyone have any idea what JetBlue's plans are for ONT? I think they should just dump it and foc
29 National_757: Hmm, BA, do you think we could see an Alliance between the two low fare airlines.....
30 BA: National_757, I know it's been talked about recently. Not an alliance, but a code-share agreement. I think it would work verywell. JetBlue passengers
31 AeroGlobeAir7: I agree very much. Southwest should have no trouble providing competition for JetBlue. As good of an airline JetBlue is, I doubt they will ever underm
32 Flywithken: Will Alaskas plans to occupy the slots for the SEA-LBG service be cancelled or are there still enough space for them? KEN
33 BA: Flywithken, Unfortunately Alaska will have to cancel it's SEA-LGB flights when JetBlue wants them. So this route may not last long, and may not even s
34 FATFlyer: BA, It's not a proposed 41, it is the current max of mainline jets. When JetBlue adds its flights in October LGB will be at 41 flights, including the
35 BA: You're right FATFlyer, sorry my bad. Regards
36 LoneStarMike: I'm kind of surprised about the new flights to LAS considering that just a month ago David Neeleman indicated that there would probably be no new citi
37 LGB Photos: Here is another kicker that the local city representatives don't want the public to know: In fine print on the contract about the 41 slots, it says th
38 FATFlyer: There is also a section in the LGB ordinance that says that flights are allocated on a first come first servce basis BUT if multiple airlines seek slo
39 BA: What do you think about LGB-FLL? Is it likely to be 1 of the 4 remaining slots? Regards
40 ScottysAir: BA, I am not possibly sure that about LGB want give up more slots on JB flight. And this is sure thing to do something want new routes nonstop from LG
41 FATFlyer: It gets a little hard to forecast since none of JBs cities have shown up in the DOT numbers for LGB in the past. The closest would be that BWI has bee
42 LGB Photos: I doubt that JB will be running the 9 OAK flights and 6 LAS flights after Feb 2003. They probably are gonna run the slots just hold them and then next
43 BA: I honestly wonder how JetBlue will add these 4 flights from DEN which will include additional JFK and new LGB service. If it's 4 flights, my guess is
44 Roberson: The 9 dailies to OAK surprise me. I doubt they will be long term moneymakers, especially with WN's presence at LAX and the other area airports. But it
45 BA: What do you think will be JetBlue's next focus city? I heard it will be somewhere in the Southwest, POSSIBLY ABQ. We can't expect to see much growth i
46 MAH4546: jetBlue's next focus city will most likely be FLL. They've already stated it themselves that they have big plans for Ft. Lauderdale.
47 OA412: BA, I think you hit the nail on the head about where the slots for 2-3 new LGB-DEN (assuming your info is correct and since F9 works with B6 in DEN th
48 BA: OA412, I'm glad we are agreeing on something. LGB-DEN and LGB-SEA COULD possibly be added in January. JetBlue still has 4 slots in LGB which it said w
49 LoneStarMike: Southwest will easily beat JetBlue's fares: Oakland ($54); Las Vegas ($44); and Salt Lake ($74). Southwest comes up with $39 fares all the time and st