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Libya Offers $2.7 Billion Pan Am 103 Settlement  
User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Libya has offered $2.7 billion to settle claims by the families of those killed in the Pan Am 103 bombing, with payments tied to the lifting of U.S. and U.N. sanctions, according to lawyers representing some families.

The proposed settlement would work out to $10 million per family, according to a letter from the families' lawyer detailing the offer. It includes relatives of those killed on the ground in the Scottish town of Lockerbie. But compensation would be paid piecemeal, with installments tied to the lifting of sanctions.

The letter says 40 percent of the money would be released when U.N. sanctions are lifted; another 40 percent when U.S. commercial sanctions are lifted; and the remaining 20 percent when Libya is removed from the State Department's list of state sponsors of terrorism.

Jim Kreindler, of Kreindler & Kreindler, the firm representing 118 victims' families said the families are "seriously considering" the Libyan offer.

"These are uncharted waters," Kreindler said. "It is the first time that any of the states designated as sponsors of terrorism have offered compensation to families of terror victims. "

Kreindler said the families "have spent the last 13 years seeking closure and justice, and are eager to move on." But Jack Shultz, whose 21-year-old son Thomas died in the bombing, said Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi must accept responsibility before any settlement is reached.

"He has to get out of the terrorism business and take responsibility," Shultz said. "The money isn't the issue. It's his taking responsibility and swearing off terrorism. Now he has to come clean and help us."

The State Department has maintained the matter of compensation is an issue to be decided between Libya and lawyers for the victims' families.

"The U.S. is not directly involved," one State Department official said, adding that while "some families want cash, others say it is blood money."

Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie on December 21, 1988, killing all 259 people aboard and 11 on the ground. Former Libyan intelligence agent Abdel Baset Ali Mohmed Al-Megrahi was convicted of blowing up the airliner and sentenced to life in prison in 2001.

Sanctions against Libya were suspended -- but not lifted -- in 1999, after Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi turned Al-Megrahi over to a Scottish court convened at a former military base in the Netherlands.

Compensation for the families of the Pan Am victims is among the steps set by the United Nations for lifting its sanctions against Tripoli. Other requirements include a formal denunciation of terrorism, which Libya says it has made; and accepting responsibility for the actions of its intelligence agents.

The United States says it will only lift its unilateral sanctions once Libya complies with the U.N. resolutions.



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User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Does anyone know how much money the US govt paid to the families of those killed in the Iran Air crash? (in which the US navy shot it down in the Persian Gulf, after identifying it as a hostile military aircraft by mistake)




User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Nothing?

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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

That is a RECORD settlement.
Although it does not repair the damage done...it will help those families that are still stuggling financially after this tragedy.

More importantly, Libya is taking the responsibilty for this act of terrorism.

It should not be easily dismissed (even though it is tied to the renegotiation of sanctions)


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

I wanted to go to Libya a few month ago but I didn't get my Visa on time. Will try later this year.

I don't see a reason to pay a that high amout of money.

Lybia has to get an embargo and other nations as Sovjet Union and USA just shot down some planes (KAL 007 and the Iran Air).
The thing is, that it has never been proved, that Lockerbie was a attack by the Libyan Governemnt, KAL and Iran Air was.




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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Actually, this: "These are uncharted waters," Kreindler said. "It is the first time that any of the states designated as sponsors of terrorism have offered compensation to families of terror victims. " is untrue. Libya paid compensation to the families of the passengers and crew on the UTA DC10 that was blown up over Chad - and more importantly, admitted that it was responsible.

In this case, Libya has consistently denied its involvement in the bombing of PA103 - and even most of the families of its victims do not believe Libya was involved. All the evidence points to the PFLP-GC, a Syrian backed organisation.

Syria's involvement on the side of the Coalition during the Gulf War was essential, and it is believed by many that a deal was struck with them where the blame would be put on the Libyans for the bombing.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2867 times:


It's tragic to have loved ones die in plane crashes, but it's also a bit tragic that having your loved one die in a plane crash is financially better than winning in the lottery!



User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2882 times:

I can safely say that they would rather have their loved ones back than have the money.

Your remark is somewhat callous. The settlement is not the least bit tragic.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2858 times:

News just in on BBC that the offer has been rejected by the US government; the US insists Libya must admit responsibility-offering cash does not amount to the same thing as admitting you sponsored or perpetrated the act.

However, there is some controversy surrounding the case, and some evidence does indeed suggest Libya was not in fact responsible for Lockerbie. I don't know what the exact details are, but there is a special edition of "Private Eye", which outlines the case for Libya's innocence.

Poor families. I wonder when the truth will out.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2853 times:

Further news just in that Libya has now denied it offered any compensation in the first place.

I really don't know what to beleive now! Is this an about-turn by Libya to save itself from the embarrassment of the US's rejection of its offer?

Was there really an offer of compensation from Libya? Does this imply that it was in fact guilty after all, or merely desperate to end sanctions, even if a compensation would imply to the outside world that it was admitting guilt??

 Nuts


User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2845 times:

SAS23,

I'm not sure at 100% but I think Lybie didn't pay a single EURO to any relative of the victims aboard the UTA aircraft which was blown up over Niger desert (and not Chad). There's still an investigation led by the Judge Bruguière in France and families are waiting for a tough policy from the French government towards the Lybian authorities!

cheers,


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

I'm surprised SAS23 hasn't pointed to the Mossad as being the conspirators behind this tragedy. Seems to be a recurring theme with Neil.

and even most of the families of its victims do not believe Libya was involved

Where did you read that? I'll believe that when I see it.

All the evidence points to the PFLP-GC, a Syrian backed organisation.

What evidence points to Jibril? Where do you get this stuff?

TNNH


User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

From Joni:

"It's tragic to have loved ones die in plane crashes, but it's also a bit tragic that having your loved one die in a plane crash is financially better than winning in the lottery!"

Jackass statement of the year!

From Swissgabe

"I don't see a reason to pay a that high amout of money."

Jackass statement of the year #2....(deciding between the two was difficult)

...what would be a good amount gabe, if your family was blown out of the sky? If they did not do it ( the Libyans, and your naive to think they did not do it and on purpose; i'm not going to debate a trial that is OVER) then they should not want to pay ANYTHING. You want to travel there? Good, stay. I'd hate to bump into you in Switzerland next time I'm over, its an otherwise nice country.Better yet, go visit Joni...


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Why don't they use the $2.7 Billion to get rid of terrorism (and the sanctions) in Libya instead of trying to buy themselves out of of it?



User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

The financial offer coming from Lybia is just disgusting in a point because
Khadafi doesn't really care about the victims!He's just trying to get his country
out of the mud by blackmailing the world;"do you want the money ? yeah right,
so lobby your governments to call off the sanctions!!!". Compensations SHOULD be paid to families but they also need official excuses from the Lybian government, then maybe the world will reconsider its tough policy against
Lybia...

"The thing is, that it has never been proved, that Lockerbie was a attack by the Libyan Governemnt"

Well, there has been a trial in the Netherlands, things are clear now! The difference between KAL, Iran Air and Pan Am is USA and Soviet Union admitted having shot down the aircrafts and apologized for the tragedies while Lybia is still denying its responsibility while a trial has already ruled out the case!

About the Palestinian hypothesis, there are actually some echoes that the UTA
might have been blown up by a Palestinian terrorist group sponsored by Syria, in order to press France in the Lebanese case. Nevertheless, the official version is Lybia bombed the aircraft to punish France for having protected Chad's northern territory (Aouzou region) from the Lybian incursions ("Operation Manta"). Well, I don't know the truth but if Lybia proposes to pay compensations, this should have been something linked to a hypothetical feeling of responsibility in the murders of passengers and crew!

cheers,


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 2785 times:

Libya has denied such report.

User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 2774 times:

Plenty of evidence, Russell, that the attack was paid for by Iran in revenge for the downing of the Iran Air A300 by the USS Vincennes. There's also a great deal of evidence of a cover up of this evidence by the British and American authorities.

Here's a few links for starters...

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/december01/0112017.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Lockerbie/3_Col_Story/0,2763,206620,00.html

http://www.americanradioworks.org/features/lockerbie/story/story_frame5.html

http://www.time.com/time/europe/timetrails/lockerbie/lock920427.html

http://www.radio4all.org/pfp/panam103.html

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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 2779 times:

Well, how ever I think it is wrong just to claim everything on Libya since there is NO proof that it was Libya at all!
It is sad if someone dies, who ever and where ever.

RedAirForce
Whats about the thousands of souls killed in the name of peace? I think Iran Air is just ONE example of many. There is only one nation who can loose eg. 4 nukes over Spain. Killing people in a unofficial war in Laos, for what? Drugs...
Your point of view is the one that if a American family is blown up its terrible, but I think as you speak a Iranian or any other family doesn't count for you? Do you think that a Libyan, Iranian, Swiss or what ever is less worth than a American?
Guess how many people just died and suffer of food and everything just because of your embargo your government likes to put on all these governments. Even in fact that there is no proof of every thing.
To claim the above comments as Jackass comments, well, think about it!



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