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SN Brussels : Keeping Up Appearances  
User currently offlineMyself From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 207 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12174 times:

Who thinks SN Brussels is going to be successful ?
Or are they just keeping up appearances but in reality dying slowly ?



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User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12053 times:

Difficult to tell ...

They still have to pay back a "government" loan end of the year.

And I also heard that the load on African flights is averaging around 80 people per flight.

airDD


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

Wait and see, are the only things we can do!

Sterne


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12017 times:

x There is no recent news.

x Last figures are from the beginning of april: occup rate was at that moment around 50 procent. And at that moment the new CEO said that the airline was developping in line with the business plan forecasts and that the Africa figures were good from july on... That's the latest official news we got. I give it for what it is.








User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11966 times:

I have no confirmation or so for it, I just write this down here, so do not attack me if it is wrong.

I heard from two different people that SNBA is actually doing very bad.
One told me that analysts expect a bankruptcy within 6 months!!

Both said that SNBA was playing with their figures, that they let everything look very good, but that in reality they are doing very bad.

This was what I heard, I don't know if it is true.

Let's wait and see...

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineGaut From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 344 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11960 times:

Sabena 690,

I heard exactly the same from an inside source. He also told me that they are playing with loadfactor figures (especially about the African network). The present and the future of SNBA doesn't look bright as opposed to what the management (and the press) says.
Anyway good luck SNBA

Gaut



«Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.»
User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11947 times:

Guys, don't for get that every beginning is difficult.

It is a fact that a great deal of passengers on the Africa to Brussela flights were connecting onwards to (for example) North America, something SN Brussels can not offer (for the moment). Even with this (handicap??), Africa flights are practically oversold for July and August. By that time SNBA may have found a US partner or/and perhaps even start a flight of it's own (New York???)

I wouldn't say things are going THAT bad. Again, we're dealing with a network that's only a fraction of what Sabena was. Surely you can't expect perfect results overnight?

Why not support Belgian aviation and the many efforts that are being done, not only for SNBA but for every project (Thomas Cook, VG Airlines, Virgin Express, Sobelair, VLM, BEAP, United Pilots,....)?? It's too easy to think negative and to critisize. Believe me when I say that the people out there are positive minded while remaining very realistic.

 Smokin cool



User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11933 times:

Hello A330DAT,

Let me make clear that I support Belgian aviation for the full 100%.

I just wanted to share the info here to look at the opinion you guys have about it.

I hope that SNBA will become a succes. One big bankruptcy is enough.

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11931 times:

Yes Sabena 690, you've always been very positive and supportive of Belgian Aviation, I know. You're one of the good guys  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up



User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11921 times:

The problem with these things is that source A says 'they're doing very well', while source B claims they're almost bankrupt.

Now, I don't know which source I have to believe. Until now, I thought they were doing quite well, but you guys are making me doubt about their situation. Well, if they can hold it until september or so, maybe I can come to the rescue and clear things up?

By the way: Hi Myself. It's been a while since I heard something from you. It must have been a year since I we got in contact (and it ended up pretty well for me: remember FRA?). I sure hope things are OK now for you (I don't really know how the demise of SN affected your personal career, but just let me say that I hope it ended up well).

Ivan

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11913 times:

Thanks A330DAT  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

@Apuneger:

Well, if they can hold it until september or so, maybe I can come to the rescue and clear things up?

Yeah, why not Big grin
I hope you can offer me a good job within the company within some years Big grin

Regards,
Frederic




User currently offlineSab12 From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11915 times:

As said above, every start is difficult, but I can tell you what I see with my own eyes every day, loads are going up slowly, some routes are doing very well and on the routes that we have competition we carry usual the higher loads.
ex.An agent told me that Air Dolomiti has a lot of flights which are empty to Brussels, while are flights are operating at 55%, not fantastic but the competition is not running away with our pax.
On African flights the loads where indeed low the first weeks but are growing quickly with some flights having a load exceeding 80%
STAY Positive, an American partner will be announced soon
Don't believe everything you hear, a lot of people would like that this airline would fail, but believe me it won't


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11904 times:

Sabena 690 and co,


I know that some pilots tell that the situation is very bad. They send me the same info. But they have to confess that it is only a rumour and they can not give a proove. I hope these guys know what they say.

I can only say this: Also for us it is difficult to judge the situation. Some sources are spoiled (frustrated pilots), others maybe too optimistic. so, we all have to be carefull. Here are some elements for the discussion:

x Only 3 weeks ago the management anounced that the situation is ok. Only 2 weeks ago in a mail to all personell the management indicated that everything is running according to the business plan forecasts and that they can even think about an own medium haul operation next spring.

x During the inaugural Congo flight President Rob Kuypers told that the financial situation of the company was good and that not even a capital increase was needed in autumn (before they thought they had to increase the capital in that period). The cashsituation was positive (more than 100 million euro) and the cashdrain due to the start-up can be stopped by august.

x The ASK/RPK ratio's are increasing

x About Bankruptcy: It's strange to forecast something like that already now. SN Brussels started debt free because the loan is no longer a government loan but a loan given by their stakeholders (SN Air Holding). So if they have financial problems - and that's in contrast with what the management tells - they can easily go to the banks.

x Why should the management lie about this? More than 30 stakeholders are presented in SN Brussels. If they lie, it will appear immediately in the press because you can't hide bad news during the board sessions.

x What i do know is that the figures for Africa for may and june aren't good. Some people say that it is the traditional low season in Africa, other tell me that SN Brussels still has to do a lot of work and deserve its place in the market. Especially the 'noon' flights results are bad.

Pressclub








User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

Haven't heard of any strikes on SNBA yet so they can't be doing that bad...



User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11902 times:

Do you know which asian and american partner it is going to be Sab12?

Rgds
Frederic


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11896 times:



I agree once more with your post, SAB 12. I have the same indications


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11886 times:

Thanks for the info Pressclub!!

Yes, I don't have proves for it.
I just wanted to hear reactions about it.

Rgds
Frederic


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11880 times:

Frederic

Once more: nobody knows at the moment because nothing has been decided yet. The possibilities are known: CO or AA, SQ ... As most of these companies are public quoted it will only be news when it is officially anounced!


User currently offlineA320-Addict From Belgium, joined Apr 2001, 250 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

Mhhh....


It is indeed to judge the situation, I have no view on the financial status or so, but actually 2 weeks ago I visited the DAT (SnBrussels) crewroom.

I entered because I had to wait for my own flight, just to see if there were no friends of mine. What I saw and heard really surprised me. There was a real sad, and depressing mood hanging in the crew room...

I heard people saying things like: "They took away our salaries (Davignon Lippens).... We are all going to be without a job soon"

This really suprised me because I had the impression that SnBrussels is on track and was even performing better that forecasted.
It actually made me sad because it was the same mood and feeling as during the last days of Sabena.

Wish them all the best though....  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

I think we can only wait and see for the moment!!! The situation is very difficult to judge....


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11856 times:

Pressclub,

Do you happen to know if the European Commission is still looking into the financing of SNBA ? I seem to remember that LH and KLM filed a complaint with the EC regarding the potential government financing of the airliners.

Thanks !

airDD


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

As far as i know, the stakeholders asked the EU commission if everuything was ok (ruling procedure). There was no remark on the loan. I am not sure if LH and KLM have filed that complaint or if they just said they were considering to do so....



User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11817 times:

Nice comments Pressclub:

I know that some pilots tell that the situation is very bad. They send me the same info. But they have to confess that it is only a rumour and they can not give a proove. I hope these guys know what they say. I can only say this: Also for us it is difficult to judge the situation. Some sources are spoiled (frustrated pilots), others maybe too optimistic. so, we all have to be carefull. Here are some elements for the discussion:

x Only 3 weeks ago the management anounced that the situation is ok. Only 2 weeks ago in a mail to all personell the management indicated that everything is running according to the business plan forecasts and that they can even think about an own medium haul operation next spring.

x During the inaugural Congo flight President Rob Kuypers told that the financial situation of the company was good and that not even a capital increase was needed in autumn (before they thought they had to increase the capital in that period). The cashsituation was positive (more than 100 million euro) and the cashdrain due to the start-up can be stopped by august.

x The ASK/RPK ratio's are increasing

x About Bankruptcy: It's strange to forecast something like that already now. SN Brussels started debt free because the loan is no longer a government loan but a loan given by their stakeholders (SN Air Holding). So if they have financial problems - and that's in contrast with what the management tells - they can easily go to the banks.

x Why should the management lie about this? More than 30 stakeholders are presented in SN Brussels. If they lie, it will appear immediately in the press because you can't hide bad news during the board sessions.

x What i do know is that the figures for Africa for may and june aren't good. Some people say that it is the traditional low season in Africa, other tell me that SN Brussels still has to do a lot of work and deserve its place in the market. Especially the 'noon' flights results are bad.

Pressclub


As you can see, it's all the way you look at it. One can turn something into a hopeless situation, OR it can be looked at in a positive way. As you said Pressclub: Some sources are spoiled (frustrated pilots), others maybe too optimistic. so, we all have to be carefull

 Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineMyself From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Why would certain pilots be frustrated then ?


User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11794 times:



Once more: nobody knows at the moment because nothing has been decided yet. The possibilities are known: CO or AA, SQ ... As most
of these companies are public quoted it will only be news when it is officially anounced!


Don't forget: SN Brussels Airlines has also entered discussions with "Delta Air Lines"!

 Smokin cool


User currently offlinePothiabs From United States of America, joined May 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11776 times:

Yeah,

and British Airways is about to merger with Virgin Express !


25 Post contains images SAS23 : As I said a long time ago, as long as SNBA keeps to its old (DAT) niche market as a European regional carrier flying politicians, diplomats and milita
26 Myself : Pressclub , I might be wrong here, but : if the ASK/RPK ratio is increasing this would mean that the load factor is going down again. Maybe you accide
27 Airbuspilot : This does not sound good to me at all..... What th h**** is wrong with this god forsaken country!
28 D-aqui : I was very surprised to read that SNBA was not doing as well as some people pretended it to do. As I was still planning to take the promotional offer
29 Lx-maria : L'histoire se répète. Only after 1 year; they will be buying or leasing aircraft again. Old Sabena-policy; no money but buy some aircraft. I'm sure
30 Pressclub : Maybe, LX maria you can ask Mr atTACK something about range: With an Avro Jet you can't fly to ATH, LIS, and other EU Destinations. You need Airbusses
31 Sab12 : D-aqui, there is absolutely no problem, as management said the airline is ahead of the bx plan and lx maria we won't be bying airbusses. The avro are
32 Pressclub : D-AQUI, There is not a single prooven indication for a bankruptcy scenario today. What some people think is based on rumours we can't check and these
33 D-aqui : @Pressclub Thank you for that hint. Although I was on holidays and have not flown SNBA for the last four weeks I had the impression of a fresh start,
34 Sk945 : A question little beside the subject. SNBR I know quite well, but how about Sabena. How large airline were they during there peakperiod? How many annu
35 Pressclub : Hi SK, Sabena served more than 100 destinations and had 12 million pax. Almost 60 pct of these pax were transfert pax. Fleet: more than 30 medium haul
36 Sk945 : Hi Pressclub, Thank you for the info.
37 Pothiabs : An Avro can easily make it between BRU and LIS (they even fly long haul to HEL). Reason why the long flights are abandoned could be : too long flight
38 Pressclub : Dear Pothiabs, SN Brussels never had the ambition to cover the whole Sabena network. From where you have this kind of info? I was present at all press
39 DragonRapide : Some points: - Question: why would you want to expand your network and fly to Lisbon, Athens, Moscow if you are starting up and struggling for surviva
40 Pothiabs : Hi Pressclub, Nice to see we have some files in common. (but don't take everything they throw at the media for granted) But the true "plan" was drawn
41 Post contains images Pothiabs : Dagon, maybe the management doesn't even know they are lying ?
42 Lumumba : I can tell you that the service on the African flight's are perfect inBussines class.And for sure they have to inprove on the european service? And i
43 Airbuspilot : WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP! WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP!
44 Pressclub : sorry Pothiabs, send me please the articles in which they said they want to become better and bigger than Sabena ever was. This is breaking news what
45 Pothiabs : One doesn't have to reside in a country to know all about its airline and most of the people who work there, aviation is a small small world. It's Gee
46 Post contains images A330DAT : Pressclub - I think you hit it right on the nose! * VEX to disappear at all cost. (of course, they are beyond control and a thorn in the eye of many B
47 Post contains images SN-A330 : By the way, strange thay you know all this while you mention that you live in the States. Or are you lying about this? Or do you have simularities wi
48 SAS23 : No, Pothias isn't me ... but I agree with pretty much everything he said.
49 Sabenaboy : Quoting Pothiabs: "I also noticed that after the SN bankruptcy all employees had to undergo wage cuts up to 35% (correct figure ?), while the aircraft
50 Sabenaboy : SAS23, you cannot agree with Pothiab's quote from my previous post, can you? THAT would really amaze me!
51 SAS23 : Absolutely I agree with it - to cut salaries and nothing else is like sticking your finger in a leaking dyke. You just get a wet, sore, finger and not
52 Post contains images A330DAT : Even now, I think the Birdy lease is an awful idea. ...as I understand it, they were financially incapable of doing it. That has to mean that they wer
53 Post contains links Luchtzak : Hi all, I didn't surf on airliners.net for a few days, but after reading all this crap today..... this SN BA-thing needs an answer. I will make a smal
54 Luchtzak : @ Pothiabs Out of experience I can tell the inflight service is not very "business minded", nor are the flight attendants and the pilots. (English wit
55 Post contains images A330DAT : He he Luchtzak - He can always try speaking Dutch. Do you think he would have an English accent??
56 Luchtzak : @ A330DAT I think he never flew with KLM in the past, and I bet that if he flies with KLM he just accepts that the captain speaks a little Dutch-Engli
57 Post contains images SAS23 : A330DAT - there's a world of difference between buying a house and what I was talking about. Let me try to express myself better ... What benefit does
58 Lx-maria : Hello, @pressclub: Ath, Lis ... etc can easily be flown in codeshare and it's more logic for a startup company. Buying the MH aircraft is just to prom
59 Lx-maria : Hello, @D-Aqui You state "replace some Avro's"; don't you see that a full avro still is a half Airbus. And also "give work to own people first"; this
60 Lx-maria : Hello, @luchtzak You have a very nice site but i think that you (as flight attendant) spend too much time in the cockpit. Also on your site; i see fli
61 Lx-maria : Hello, @Pothiabs & DragonRapide. You're right. ps: Don't worry about your tickets; i would worry about your safety.
62 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Lx-maria, How do you dear to say all this!! It seems that your strategy has not changed yet after the VG topic!! And you want to come back to Belgium?
63 Scorpio : Lx-maria, You know, you've got some nerve! You come in here, throwing around wild accusations, claiming an airline that was KNOWN to be one of the saf
64 Lx-maria : No reaction so far on the inside letter of Mr.Vanneste: "Mr.Vanneste indicated that all Airbus or 737 will be flown with own people. AND "Even the 330
65 Donder10 : A key part of a brand is continuation.Belgium aviation is not this at the moment.With FR planning to expand at Brussels-Chareleroi regional flights ou
66 Post contains images Sabena 690 : It gives me a bad feeling about the mentality in that company. Another reason for you to stay in Luxemburg
67 Luchtzak : @ MariaLX Haha, what a joke you make!! I just fell of my chair!! The first picture is of a girl who is just reading here book in between flights, and
68 Post contains images Luchtzak : @ everybody! If you really think that LXMarie will appologize? Well she won't!! She still needs to do some apologizin with 'Pressclub' !! Let she firs
69 Post contains images A320-Addict : He LX-Maria, What is wrong with taking some pics in the cockpit?? I do not think that his work is in any way affected by this!!!! I would say 'au cont
70 Post contains images Luchtzak : Please don 't fire me !!! Moehahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
71 Lx-maria : I apologize to pressclub for jumping on him in the past. Is that ok ? I apologize to luchtzak. Is that ok ?
72 Post contains images Luchtzak : Marie, I thank you for your apologizies! But that doesn't give you the right to critisize on the SN BA-pilots! They are trained the best way, and hell
73 Sab12 : Lx maria, If you think we are frustrated and bad pilots, come over, I and my collegue pilots will prove you wrong anytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO IS FRUS
74 Post contains images A320-Addict : I think she has gone one bridge too far (again)..... Anyway, I thank her for apologising, thx for keeping the forum positive and constructive!! By the
75 Post contains images Luchtzak : Good point Sab12!! This topic has become a joke
76 Lx-maria : So; @luchtzak 1./ Can you explain what you do in the cockpit during landing ? @A320-addict You as pilot should know better; take a copy from your FOM:
77 Sab12 : Lx maria, He was not on the flight, so don't start by being smart, you are certainly not Proves again you are so full of B**shit
78 Post contains images A320-Addict : He Maria, Do you know that it only takes a minimum of 2 flight attendants to operate an Avro-jet??? So if there were 3 cabin crew members on board, I
79 Lx-maria : Hello Sab12 As you know that he was NOT on board; than you must know exactly which flight it was ? And explain me the numbers dsc00244-dsc0247 then. A
80 Luchtzak : @ Marie Marie Tss, tss.. First listen to A320-Addict, and if you know our Bae146-aircraft. Only 2 jumpseats are available in the cabin. So.... why not
81 Lx-maria : Hello Sab12 again But could it be that there was an accident a few years ago above Antwerp airport ? More details are available if you want. So please
82 Lx-maria : @ A320-addict A lot of guessing to clear him from any blame. Why putting 3 cabin crewmembers when flights are empty ? Proof of good management ?
83 Post contains links and images Luchtzak : You really don 't seem to understand don 't you? We do full-flights, as I said on monday, friday and sundays and with lots of C-class we put a 3-th ca
84 Post contains images A320-Addict : @ LX-Maria: It's not guessing.... it is stated, read again my dear... Who says they all are empty? ??? Maybe on short full flights??? Go on and fly so
85 Lx-maria : @luchtzak your posting: "You will have to comply by the rules that their is at least one purser in the cabin" This is in disagreement with the fom-ext
86 Post contains images Luchtzak : @ A320-addict Don 't spill your words on her
87 Post contains images A320-Addict : "I'll show you my salary-slip...." Moehahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha Like we care.... we are aviation enthousiasts, not in it for the mone
88 Post contains images Luchtzak : @ Maria-LX 'Help me daddy, help me daddy' looks like a 15-year old And yes : the windows cracked during flight, but that doesn't proove I shot them in
89 Lx-maria : @A320-addict You laugh a bit too loud and you're not in for the money. ... in that case ..... I'll tell you; you must be one of those 500. Your opinio
90 Luchtzak : @ LXMARIE why do you think our own guys will fly the Airbus/Boeing ? They are too busy flying the ARJ's I believe, don 't you think? So we will hire p
91 Post contains images A320-Addict : Who says I am without a job????? I have actually never been.... (oh yeah 1 week after the 7th) I am pretty happing flying my (Baby)A-bus every day!! W
92 Lx-maria : hahaha your posting: And... also I think that commercial department is taking care of the flightcrew iso of some ex-qualiflyer guy who sends a letter
93 Post contains images A330DAT : Hey Moussoux, ...yes, Marie..are you almost finished here? There's a saying: It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and
94 Staffan : I'm going to BRU tomorrow morning to take some photos, just thought you guys might want to know... Staffan (feels satisfied now that he has participat
95 Post contains images Luchtzak : Marie, do you need my name, or shall it go without it? It seems you are a 51% shareholder in SN BA Maybe my profile isn't what it seems to be, hm.....
96 Post contains images A320-Addict : "I'll do copy paste of your last remark into the letter....." HOW PATHETIC.... Let's analise "I am threatening you that I will write a letter to the c
97 Lx-maria : @A320-addict Thanks for info; then you're flying for Thomas Cook (you see; a shock as posting and people tell more) But you know as well as other pilo
98 Post contains images Luchtzak : @ Marie You saw a weak defence but anyway you apologized to me for your unrully comments, don 't see a point in that. Anyway we will beat Japan, no do
99 Lx-maria : this is posting 99 and empty
100 Lx-maria : n°100 is mine Apologizing is part of the game. Prepare your defense for the office. Good night
101 Luchtzak : ? you mean the office where the guys are saying that I have a cool website?
102 Lumumba : I arrived this morning from Kinshasa with snba and we where 25 bussines passangers for 42 seats this is not bad at all after only 1 mouth. And i repea
103 DragonRapide : @ luchtzak, Sab12, Lx-Maria, A320-Addict and the rest: Stop getting personal and accusing each other. Behave like grown ups or at least try will you?
104 Post contains images SAS23 : Lumumba - that's as maybe, but how many of those pax paid fullf are for their seats ... including yourself?
105 Airbuspilot : Oh So F***** BORING!!!!!!!
106 Lumumba : In bussines you don't have the chois you pay full fare. And for sure if you travel without week-end like my but also 4 other passangers. Regards Patri
107 Post contains images Flying Belgian : I wasn't there the last 4 days and it seems there was a lot of animations... See U. FB
108 Lj : Lumumba, not everybody pays full fare in business. Large customers get very attractive deals (discounts up to 50% of full fare). However, that all dep
109 Lumumba : LJ thats correct my company normaly does dis also. But on Kinshasa it's not usual. Even befor with SABENA it was the only destination where it was ver
110 Post contains images OO-AOG : Sterne82, the image of Belgium is already absolutely pathetic out of our borders anyway. ..
111 Pothiabs : OK, seems we're getting nowhere here. Some more info to show you to what extent the Belgian Government (and even the Flemish Government) is desperatel
112 Myself : OK, I only asked a simple question, but this posting sure sheds another light on all that's happening behind the scenes. I must admit I'm hungry for m
113 A330DAT : Pothiabs - Unfortunately I must agree with you. Having said this, you must agree with me that (albeit at a lower level) there are people within SN Bru
114 Myself : So euh....it's getting awfully quiet out here. Somebody must have hit where it hurts.... When is the bubble gonna burst and when will the entire truth
115 Pressclub : Thanks for your recommendations Phil Pothiabs. I will try to find out and check your info. Don't believe that the management tells a lot to us. It's
116 MD-11 forever : What a pity that now there aren't any Swiss involved to blame...... Sorry for the sarcasm. Of course I still wish all the best to the people who put t
117 Airbuspilot : MD11-forever, what a lousy lousy remark you hav made here!!!!! Get a life!
118 MD-11 forever : Sorry, didn't mean to attack you! But how many times you guys claimed that ONLY the Swiss were responsible, and that it wouldn't have ended the way it
119 Pressclub : One serious remark Potthiab: you have highly poujadistic view on things. If I follow your view: we are all corrupt and nobody is serious or ok in this
120 Lx-maria : @Pothiabs Great speach; you have my full support. Nice words which leave everybody speechless. I'm too tired to add some words; you're so right. Going
121 Lx-maria : @ All DAT-pilots Forgot to say sorry to you for some remarks. I do apologize. I have some friends in there; they deserve better. But I got carried aw
122 Lx-maria : I'll stick to the rules of the forum. No hostile language or criticizing of others. (But don't use ** words to a lady; then she gets angry)
123 Sabena 690 : Well, this thread turned out well. In the middle of the thread, we had some attacks of Lx-maria, but she excused here, so Lx-maria, what you said hurt
124 Datflightcrew : Dear Lx-maria, Dear all, First of all I would like to present myself because I hate to discuss to an unknown person and since I, at least, do have eno
125 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Wow Dirk, This is one of the best posts I have ever seen here on this forum Thank you so much for this. What an excellent aviation career that you hav
126 Post contains images Swake : some guys must have been real desperate to call in this bloke what a waist...
127 Myself : I could use a little extra too ! Where do we send our articles ? intox@dat.be ?
128 Post contains links Lx-maria : Hello, (Short message from the terminal as i'm waiting for my repositioning flight) My dear Drik, I wasn't referring to you as i only heard good echos
129 Post contains links and images Sabenapilot : Didn't know that inviting an additional CCM sitting on the jumpseat and taking a picture during the approach could be considered a violation of the st
130 Pothiabs : Pressclub, Saw you at the inauguration of the new "terminal" Terminal in BRU and I must say that I do admire you because IMO you are about the only ne
131 Myself : Luchtzak, you wrote : "And... also I think that commercial department is taking care of the flightcrew iso of some ex-qualiflyer guy who sends a lette
132 Post contains images Sabena 690 : @Lx-maria, So it is clear that my above message should be removed as unappropriate for the forum. I think that it should be better than, instead your
133 Lx-maria : Hello again, Back in business; flight rerouted; 48extra hours in the sun. Just to make it clear; I did already apologize for the statements. I changed
134 Sterne82 : Hey Sabena690... Please, she apologizes, so why still attack her, and asked for her removal? Don't you think, that you're sometimes going too far? Reg
135 Lx-maria : Hello Benjamin Thanks for your comments. Yes; I agreed with the withdrawal of that ugly posting. Yes; I apologized for the sentences; they should have
136 Datflightcrew : Dear Sabena 690, Dear Lx-maria, Dear all, I want that everybody gets me right, so a further explanation may be needed. My purpose here is not to expos
137 Sabena 690 : Thank you again for this very interesting post Dirk. @Benjamin, I am not exagerating. I don't know if you check this forum more than once a day like I
138 Myself : Lx-maria, thanks for asking if I am enjoying it. When going over all the replies, I realize that in fact I asked the wrong question here. I should in
139 Sabenaboy : Just a small remark: LX-Maria said: "(Already one question about bad or good has been answered; -everybody on 1 waiting list-; so no discrimination th
140 Sterne82 : Frederic, That's not a personnal attack, but some people around here, do need to spend some free time far from their computers... don't you think? Gre
141 Post contains images Lx-maria : Hello, Thanks Dirk; You see what i mean; real arguments are better to end a discussion. Finally Dirk; you answered the questions. It took 140 postings
142 Myself : It's a nice thought, LX-maria, and even a good (constructive) idea that might work out just fine for everybody in the long run. Might even have enormo
143 Flying Belgian : Well, well, very funny and interresting to read all this as a SNBA "insider"... Many pepole here pretend to know the company and in fact work in somet
144 Post contains images Myself : Waaaaaw ! Double training costs for crews ! Very economic, I must say. 5 aircraft x 5 crews x 2 (Avro & 737) x ? = ? (and again with taxpayers' money)
145 Sab12 : I could not agree more with Dirk and FB, it is time to be positive and hope for a better future in (Belgian)aviation so all the unemployed can find a
146 Post contains images Sabena 690 : The negative attitude of the Belgian inhabitants was also a reason for the bankruptcy of Sabena If you hear people complaining all the time about Sabe
147 D-aqui : @ Sabena 690 Wilco! First off-business thing I shall do during the day tomorrow is buying those twenty tickets from the promotion. And, having read so
148 Flying Belgian : @ Myself, Why would the SNBA pilots have to stick to the Avros/146 for the rest of their career ??? It would be a good way to give them extra motivati
149 Sabena 690 : @D-aqui, Thank you. Enjoy your SNBA flights. You are in safe hands. @Flying Belgian, If the contract with VEX ends in March 2003, will VEX still be ab
150 Luchtzak : @ Sabena690 About the codeshare routes of VEX and SNBA: How many seats does SNBA sell on a B737 of Vex? 90? And how many seats does VEX sell on an Avr
151 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Thanks Luchtzak! But SNBA still gets the money of the non-occupied VEX seats, am I right? It doesn't matter if the VEX seats are occupied or not, is t
152 Luchtzak : @ Sabena690 Yes, I think so. kind regards luchtzak
153 Sabena 690 : Thanks again Luchtzak! Regards, Frederic
154 Post contains images A330DAT : Luchtzak / Sabena 690: Although the amount of seats that each carrier has is fixed, one airline can still buy seats from the other (with the permissi
155 Sabena 690 : Thanks A330DAT! I read in a previous topic this: 'Armenian Airlines buys about 150 seats in the A330 of VG, and they have to pay these seats, also if
156 ILS.25L : Boy, oh, boy, 155 replies on a very interesting item => Result : 50% of argueying on a personal way. Prsonally, I was trying to read this topic and ge
157 Lx-maria : Hello all; Many thanks also to Flying Belgian for answering also some questions: posted 2002-06-02 - 10:34 In some way; you reflect the thought that c
158 Datflightcrew : Dear Lx-maria, Dear all, A last posting in order to answer to your last questions before I will leave the Forum. Unfortunately I still have a lot of o
159 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Hello Datflightcrew, I just wanted to say thank you for all the very interesting postings you made here. Sad to see you leaving It would be nice to se
160 Airbuspilot : will it never end? History is repeating itself and nobody is noticing it!!Terrible!! One thing I am missing though: At Sabena we where "solidair" with
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