Sean Reynolds From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 13 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 31495 times:
Won't lie to all of you, I'm scared when it comes to flying. Well, next month I'll be flying to Houston, Texas from SLC all by myself and am scared to hell.
I checked up on the plane I'll be on, the Boeing 737 and read some things with the rudder, is this still a problem?!? Anyone know how safe the Boeing 737 is? I hear it's been in a lot of plane crashes.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 31462 times:
The 737 is perfectly safe, as is any commercial airliner in North America today. There have been many 737 crashes, but this is most directly attributed to the fact that there are so many 737's to begin with. The new one's are especially safe (Are you flying DL? Perhaps you'll get a shiny new 737-800), but even the old ones, if well maintained, are perfectly safe. You have nothing to worry about!
Note that the statistics make a distinction between the earlier 737 100/200 and the later 737 300/400/500 types (the type you will likely be on). This is because the latter are a newer design with more modern engines, and hence have been more reliable and safer than the ealier types. Note also that the statistics do not yet reflect the safety of the latest generation of 737s. the 700/800/900 series, which have yet to have a fatal accident.
Perhaps the reason why it seems like there are more 737 incidents than other aircraft is that there are more 737s in operation than any other commercial jetliner...by a wide margin. Since most 737s serve on short hauls, 737s experience high takeoff and landing frequencies as well. When this is taken into account, you can see that the 737 has an excellent safety record, on par with or better than similar Airbus types, which are also excellent.
Enjoy your flight remembering that the 737 is one of the safest aircraft in the sky. I fly them all the time and am constantly reassured knowing that I am flying on a very safe and dependable plane.
FrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 31391 times:
Sean -- Of course the aircraft is safe. It's the workhouse of the aviation industry. Here's my question, would you really want to hear anyone tell you it isn't safe anyway? Like someone above said, it's been through so much scrutiny. The news media thinks too much. Kinda like if you've watched the news lately then you know that everything causes cancer now. Don't worry, relax....
It is the most widely used jetliner in the world so is bound to have more incidents but alot of us wonder if the rudders have really been fixed. I suppose the pilots would refuse to fly if it wasn't safe but questions remain.
I fly on 737's all the time, but personally, if there was another aircraft flying the route I would choose the other aircraft type.
Geotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 31345 times:
Then fly another airplane. Let the rest of us who rely on accurate statistics above simple reckoning and fear keep our sanity and save money by flying a proven safe and reliable aircraft. Are you sure that all the kinks have been worked out of the A320? It has been in the air proving its safety record for far fewer years. Or what about the 747? Is aluminum really meant to withstand the stresses that the sheer mass of a jumbo places on it? The 737 does not deserve to be singled out as unsafe amongst its peers. Review the numbers again, do your homework, and comment again when you have something solid to base your opinion on. Hype and drama don't cut it.
Thumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 31342 times:
Mr. BKKair do you worry about flying on an A-300 because the rudder fell off one? Do you worry about flying on the Concorde because it crashed? How about the 747's or the A-310's or the MD-11'S or even the 767's? What aircraft do you feel safe on? Whatever you feel safe on chances are that the 737 is a safer aircraft! Don't worry about flying a 737 they are one of the safest planes in the sky!
Hardkor From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 31316 times:
I was wondering, a few years ago didn't the FAA issue a directive of some sort to modify the rudders on all 737-200s? Did that ever go through? Even though I always think about that Pittsburgh crash in 94 whenever I'm on board a 737, I cannot argue with statisitics. I think one stat says there is a 737 taking off and landing somewhere in the world every ten seconds. That is absolutely mind boggling, considering there have only been a handful of 737 crashes over the last 18 years. So try to have fun with it. The only thing that plane has to worry about is penetrating that thick Houston smog!
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 31245 times:
Well, I think that the Boeing 737-700/800/900 is safe. These are modified, improved, advanced versions of the classic 737s. I believe these are safe, but the Classic 737s need some work, but overall the 737 is the most reliable plane built
AlaskaMVP From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 31142 times:
The fix for the 737 rudder was to change from two actuators to three, adding additional redundancy in case one of the actuators misbehaved (according to the Discovery documentary). Supposedly the fix has been rolled out throughout the U.S. fleets.
The SilkAir crash was a pilot suicide, not a rudder problem.
The Billings "problem", though it might have been a rudder vibration problem, it's description doesn't sound anything like the "unintended actuation" problem. Planes occasionally have vibration problems, an F28 had one in PDX last year.
The exploding fuel tank may have been a terrorist bomb (the Prime Minister was scheduled on the flight).
So when you come down to it, the "unintended rudder" problem has only been shown to have caused 2 crashes out of 80 Million flights. If you are worried about that, go play the lottery now, cause you are hot, hot, hot!!! In reality,the 300/400/500 models have a fatal accident once every 3 Million flights. Fly a 737 once a day, and you are guaranteed to be involved in one in oh, about 1,000 years.
Note; This record includes the Piedmont flight that lost cabin pressure, and one passenger died due to "natural causes", the Thai explosion that occured before any passengers boarded, and numerous crashes with survivors, making the 1 in 3 Million flights over-state the risk, the typical passenger probably has about close to 50% chance on average of surviving the wide definition of a "fatal accident".
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1118 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 31084 times:
LOL Slawko, I remember someone on here, after watching video of an A320 at an airshow (not the famous Air France forest incident), but he made a comment that the computer in the airplane probably said after the pilot made the successful low pass " Zat is not how you fly for ze airshow, now fly into ze trees!" ROFLMAO
: AlaskaMVP and BKKair, The Thai incident was ruled an accident. The centre fuel pump was left on while the tank was empty, while the aircraft was prepa
: Knew I forgot something: The five-model 737 Classic family has one of the industry's best safety records. Introduced 30 years ago, the aircraft has sa
: Another point. Assume the 737's "unintended rudder deflection" problem still existed (even though it appears that 737s have been updated with fixes).