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Did TWA Have STL-Tokyo?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

I know they never operated it, but I could have sworn a few years ago, when all those new Japan routes were granted, that TWA was awarded this route. And I think US AIrways was awarded some routes as well? Am I smokin' dope??!!!


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

TWA was indeed awarded STL-NRT rights, but never commenced the flight due to a lack of equipment suitable for the route.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

If that isn't pathetic in this industry, then I don't know what is.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Would the demand have been there either?

User currently offlinePb737 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

I know TWA had STL-NRT rights, but as was mentioned never flew the route for a number of reasons. I think it had to do mostly with a bad Asian market at the time, and TWA's lack of suitable equipment to fly the route.

Also I remember a story about TWA wanting the city of St.Louis to help build or expand the customs facilities at STL to better handle international flights. St.Louis did not want to foot the bill so the project never got off the ground.

Another thing to keep in mind is that STL is currently undergoing expansion to add an additional runway and lengthen the main runway at that airport. That may have been a factor in TWA deciding not to fly the route until the those projects were over. I believe they are scheduled to be done in 2006.

Keeping all this in mind does anyone think AA will fly the route between STL and NRT? With the current state of affairs I would think not. However could it be that STL is a large enough market for that flight to be profitable with the amount of connecting traffic that STL gets?

Thanks for any and all opinions!


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

i was about to ask oddly enough of AA would fly STL-NRT. I think they would if a 763 has the range. I know the 767-300 ER can fly ORD-NRT, but I think that is at the top of its range. Maybe a 3x or 4x weekly 777 could do it.

If TWA had lobbied for a bigger customs area, that might be a hint that there just isn't the customs capacity for it.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1508 times:

I doubt that AA would fly STL-NRT since it would cut heavily into rev. on the ORD-NRT flights, as well as the JFK-NRT.

UAL747


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1488 times:

Plus the City of St. Louis knew for years that TWA wouldn't be around forever, so why waste money on capital projects FOR TWA if they won't be around to pay for it through PFCs or other means?

-n


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

A little off topic, but:

Welcome back B747-437B!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Definetly great to have you back B747-437B, that was one great trip report you put together a while back.
DC-10's Forever



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

i doubt they will start it, they have alot of NRT flights, DFW,SJC,ORD,JFK, they used to have SEA but i think they dropped it when they dropped KIX..


Go big or go home
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Living in STL I would love to see the route operated. No reason it couldn't work, especially with a JL code-share on the Tokyo/Asian end. We have a fairly decent business market here, plus connections throghout the US.


Next Up: STL-TPA-BWI-PWM-BWI-STL
User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

AA61hvy- Just added, LAX. Service is supposed to start April 1, 2003.

As for STL, I think the gamble of it though is whether it will interfere with AA's DFW and ORD-NRT flights. It might be a fair guess that people who normally go through Dallas and Chicago to get to Tokyo might go through STL.

It's really a tough call. Yes, STL has a lot of connections, but so does ORD and DFW.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6412 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

I remember hearing a while back that TWA was thinking about using a 767-200ER on the STL-NRT route in an all first class or mostly first class configuration. That's a long flight for a 767.


Steve in MSY



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

STL-NRT is 5534nm on Great Circle, and the 767-300ER has about a 6000nm range. The route is within its range, but barely.

I heard that TWA was considering ordering the A332 to operate this route.


User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1307 times:
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TWA ordered 10 A332's during Carl Icahn's tenure in the late 1980's. These aircraft were never delivered as TWA tried to get out of the order because they later realized the cost of the extra aircraft type in the fleet. Eventually they transferred the order for A318's in the late 1990's. This order was cancelled after the AA buyout.

User currently offlineTWA@FRA From China, joined Nov 2000, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

Didn`t TWA used it`s traffic rights with a DL Codeshare via PDX for a short time ?

twa@fra


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