Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 1, posted (10 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 969 times:
I doubt it, problem are the traffic rights. Within the EU and to Africa it won´t be a problem but traffic rights within Africa could be difficult to obtain. A market place could be there, however: how much can you rely on Europe-feed and how much O&D traffic will be there?
AirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (10 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 947 times:
Interesting !
I really thought that the collapse of SN would start a consolidation process in the EU...
But there have never been so many small aviation projects in Belgium.
The longterm prospects for these airliners is doubtful and I am suspecting that it will keep big airliners out of Brussels; BRU might be become a real ghost airport in the future.
I think it is too late to start building a hub in Brussels; BRU should try to attract a major airliners (a la Easyjet) with o/d flights serving the major cities in Europe.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 12 months ago) and read 918 times:
I guess you are talking about the project of all the ex-Sabena and City Bird pilots.
Well, like BEAP announced, they want a coöperation with other Belgian carriers.
So if they can code share, why won't there be a place.
Although, a code share with SNBA will be necessary.
If the deal with VEX and SNBA ends the 31th of March 2003, I don't think that VEX will survive long. This can also affect VG Airlines.
I hope to see their first flight soon.
And like already mentioned in the VG topic, why not give an airline without politic influence give a chance. It is the best way to prove that such an airline can be profitable or not.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 897 times:
Air DD,
I agree with you.European aviation needs American post de-regulation-esque consolidation,but this would need the EU to get a complete EU-US Open Skies agreement instead of US-individual states.BRU might get some EZY flights in the future,but I suspect these will be more of a 'hub to spoke 'operation compared to EZY's operation at AMS.
AirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 855 times:
Donder10,
I don't think the European consolidation should wait on the open skies agreement with the USA.
Low cost airliners seem to be able to set up EU wide ops where as the flag-carrier are unsuccessful trying this.
Talking about the open skies agreements... A while back I have read the Belgium-USA agreement signed in 1995... Very funny to read how nicely it protects the late Sabena together with partner DL from competition, not very open
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 826 times:
Low-cost carriers are able to setup EU wide ops because they are only operating short routes but the key is that they are point to point in theory.
Major airlines in Europe can only do their country-US so consolidation hasn't occured so they shuttle it all via their hub.
Myself From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 207 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 809 times:
Sabena 690,
you say "If the deal with VEX and SNBA ends the 31th of March 2003, I don't think that VEX will survive long. This can also affect VG Airlines."
I would be inclined to expect the opposite to happen :
VEX will continue to fly loads of passengers on very dense routes.
SN Bru is "all over the place", meaning "everywhere and nowhere".
Also :
VEX has a "cleaner and friendlier" image than SN Bru.
(mind you all, I didn't say that "SN Bru doesn't have a clean and friendly image" !! )
Ever heard publicity for SN BRU on the radio, ever seen big campaigns on billboards or in magazines & newspapers ? It's about time you start with it, guys ! (The ad in last weekends newspaper was not a very good attempt : July & August fares published on Saturday and valid until Monday. Who decides in two days where and when exactly he will go on holiday ?)
VEX can renew its fleet with NGs at almost no cost.
SN Bru : well.....how long are they stuck to their renegotiated leasing contracts (anybody knows ?). The aircraft is out of production also, so what next and at what cost ?
I might have overlooked arguments that are in favour of SN-Bru, but I fear there aren't that many. ("fear" being just an expression of "fear" for another bunch of pilots getting jobless, not necessarily because I sympathize with VEX)
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 774 times:
Hello,
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the VEX routes with an SNBA code share not the only good profitable routes for VEX?
I thought that they couldn't survive without the SNBA code shares. This was written somewhere in a previous post.
So, this means that if the SN-TV contract ends, that the future is not bright at all for VEX. And this can indeed cause problems with the VG connecting pax and with the VG contracts.
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 761 times:
VEX gets (or got) around 40% of the turnover from the codeshare flights. Thus still 60% is pure VEX turnover. Even if you scrap all routes where SNBA will fly to you still end up with some routes left. If this means yet another restructuring of VEX so be it, but saying it's the end of VEX is a little bit strange. Moreover, the end of the SNBA contract may result in a better focus of VEX to its core business namely the low cost business.
If VEX is going to die then I'm sure some other low cost operator will probably look to BRU with great interest, and that's porbably the last good thing for Belgian aviation.
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