Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 964 times:
I doubt it, problem are the traffic rights. Within the EU and to Africa it won´t be a problem but traffic rights within Africa could be difficult to obtain. A market place could be there, however: how much can you rely on Europe-feed and how much O&D traffic will be there?
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 913 times:
I guess you are talking about the project of all the ex-Sabena and City Bird pilots.
Well, like BEAP announced, they want a coöperation with other Belgian carriers.
So if they can code share, why won't there be a place.
Although, a code share with SNBA will be necessary.
If the deal with VEX and SNBA ends the 31th of March 2003, I don't think that VEX will survive long. This can also affect VG Airlines.
I hope to see their first flight soon.
And like already mentioned in the VG topic, why not give an airline without politic influence give a chance. It is the best way to prove that such an airline can be profitable or not.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 892 times:
I agree with you.European aviation needs American post de-regulation-esque consolidation,but this would need the EU to get a complete EU-US Open Skies agreement instead of US-individual states.BRU might get some EZY flights in the future,but I suspect these will be more of a 'hub to spoke 'operation compared to EZY's operation at AMS.
AirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 850 times:
I don't think the European consolidation should wait on the open skies agreement with the USA.
Low cost airliners seem to be able to set up EU wide ops where as the flag-carrier are unsuccessful trying this.
Talking about the open skies agreements... A while back I have read the Belgium-USA agreement signed in 1995... Very funny to read how nicely it protects the late Sabena together with partner DL from competition, not very open
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 821 times:
Low-cost carriers are able to setup EU wide ops because they are only operating short routes but the key is that they are point to point in theory.
Major airlines in Europe can only do their country-US so consolidation hasn't occured so they shuttle it all via their hub.
Myself From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 207 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 804 times:
you say "If the deal with VEX and SNBA ends the 31th of March 2003, I don't think that VEX will survive long. This can also affect VG Airlines."
I would be inclined to expect the opposite to happen :
VEX will continue to fly loads of passengers on very dense routes.
SN Bru is "all over the place", meaning "everywhere and nowhere".
VEX has a "cleaner and friendlier" image than SN Bru.
(mind you all, I didn't say that "SN Bru doesn't have a clean and friendly image" !! )
Ever heard publicity for SN BRU on the radio, ever seen big campaigns on billboards or in magazines & newspapers ? It's about time you start with it, guys ! (The ad in last weekends newspaper was not a very good attempt : July & August fares published on Saturday and valid until Monday. Who decides in two days where and when exactly he will go on holiday ?)
VEX can renew its fleet with NGs at almost no cost.
SN Bru : well.....how long are they stuck to their renegotiated leasing contracts (anybody knows ?). The aircraft is out of production also, so what next and at what cost ?
I might have overlooked arguments that are in favour of SN-Bru, but I fear there aren't that many. ("fear" being just an expression of "fear" for another bunch of pilots getting jobless, not necessarily because I sympathize with VEX)
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 756 times:
VEX gets (or got) around 40% of the turnover from the codeshare flights. Thus still 60% is pure VEX turnover. Even if you scrap all routes where SNBA will fly to you still end up with some routes left. If this means yet another restructuring of VEX so be it, but saying it's the end of VEX is a little bit strange. Moreover, the end of the SNBA contract may result in a better focus of VEX to its core business namely the low cost business.
If VEX is going to die then I'm sure some other low cost operator will probably look to BRU with great interest, and that's porbably the last good thing for Belgian aviation.