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Question About CO & NW.  
User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

At work today I was speaking with a Northwest Airlink/jetlink agent and we were talking about among many things about Usairways and the trouble they could be facing along with pulling out of our city PNS also we spoke about Continental and Northwest, the NWA agent mentioned that Northwest owns continental, I had never heard that before and thought I would post the question and wanted to confirm that such is true, he said something about how they will own COA until October? News to me.
JMH

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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Rule #1 in life is to not believe most statements about corporate issues that are made by gate agents, flight attendants, rampers or pilots.

Northwest does not OWN Continental. They did own about 17% of Continental until January 2001, where Continental bought it back from them in exchange for preferred stock which gives Northwest veto power over any acquisition of Continental by a third party and some other benefits.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Well, Tickle my Fancy. This is all news to me. I just thought NW and CO were doing Code-Sharing Agreements. Since when did NW own 17% of Continental?

User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Sean,

Great to see you back. Hopefully we will get a chance to chat next time I see you online.

You summed it up pretty well right there, NW still reserves the right to veto any merger, however their ownership in this company is currently nonexistent. Our alliance is contracted for another 19 years, so our independence is no sign of an impending divorce. Actually, quite to the contrary, we are looking to strengthen our ties with Northwest and continue to capitalize on their close relationship with KLM, particularly on North Atlantic routes.


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Yes, NW did for a time own part of COntinental. Now they have preffered stock, which is even better. I think that gave NW enough votes to get some of there board directors onto Continentals.

User currently offlineIflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought at one point in time, Northwest owned 51% of Continental Airlines...not 17%. I thought after Continental bought back the majority of its stock, Northwest was left with 17%. With a little help from Northwest, Continental has managed to make themselves look good again.

Iflewrepublic.



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User currently offlineSteveT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Northwests shares in Continental had more voting power than the regular shares, which gave them more than 50% of the votes. When they bought the shares they had to agree to limitations on their use of that voting power.

User currently offlineFlight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

JmhLUV2fly, it is good to see some fellow members from the Pensacola area. I, myself, have relatives in Gulf Breeze, so I travel to PNS many times per year. I might be going there in mid-July if you want to hook up. NW will never own CO. IMO the only reason CO joined with NW was to escape the clutches of DL in the early 1990s. Also, I think that PNS is severly underserved. I think that it would be good to have UA and AA come into play. The farthest west city that is served from PNS is DFW on DL. I would love to see a PHX, LAX, and SFO flight in the near future. But, I doubt it.

User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1748 times:

Good to hear you will be visiting the area soon, we have the best beaches and the best....uhhh, scenery in the world..haha.
As far as airline service to the area, yeah we could use more a few more airlines...Pensacola worked really hard in luring AirTran to the area, and thus far it has worked out for the best..its providing a competitive discount alternative for travelers and gave me a place of employment..several years back American and American Egle did serve Pensacola, in Feb 1992 AA began nonstop service between RDU using M80's...after a few months they started service to BNA using F100's....after about 8 months and that service proving to be non profitable they downsized to American Eagle and used Saab 340s...they continued serving Pensacola until October of 1996 when at that time they pulled out, which continues to amaze me..cause AA never gave the right route a chance if they had begun nonstop service to DFW I am certain AA would be still serving PNS...oh well...I think UA would do well here also, they did fly to MOB for a while using RJ's between ORD...but I understand that has been discontinued....TWA express at one time said they were going to fly here, but around August of last year called that off..now of course they are no longer an option.. Southwest is one carrier I think should consider the area but probably wont with FL here....at any rate we do pretty well...traffic remains at high levels...we have a great facility...glad you have chosen to visit the area....have a great time...
JMH


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

It's about the same as the KLM/NWA deal.

KLM a few years back had 17% of Co and the right to buy another 8% and more voting power. NWA bought back the shares and a good long term deal came out of it.

IMO KLM is are looking to strengthen their ties with NWA and continue to capitalize on their close relationship with Continental, particularly on Caribian and South America routes.

Confirmed today :

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-03-2002/0001739049&EDATE=


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Just to clarify... NW still owns 17% of Continental. Their ownership,however, is in the form of 'preferred' stock which is:

1) Not traded over the counter -- it must be 'converted' to 'common' stock to do so (and such conversion has limitations on how/when it can happen)

2) Non-voting except in areas regarding a sale/merger of CO

3) is held at a higher status than common shares in the case of a default; IOW, should CO go bankrupt, for example, and their assets liquidated, the creditors would receive their money, then the preferred stockholders, and, if there's enough to pay 100% of the preferred stock off in value, the remainder would be divided amongst the common shares.

In short, NW does very much own a piece of CO; it's just a 'passive' role.

Steve



User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

"Pensacola worked really hard in luring AirTran to the area, and thus far it has worked out for the best..its providing a competitive discount alternative for travelers and gave me a place of employment"

Didn't they get AirTran to switch from Ft Walton Beach (VPS). WHen I lived near Panama City in 2000, I had a friend fly AirTran out of Ft Walton, now it is no longer in that market. Did Air Tran switch to PNS???

Just curious.

also you can check the voting rights on COA and B shares that will help you understand the 'ownership' as explained above

Ciao and Hook 'em Horns,
Lt-AWACS


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

KL never owned 17% of CO. Were you thinking of Air Canada?

User currently offlineFlight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Air Tran flies many times to PNS per day from ATL. I flew them 2 weeks ago PNS-ATL.

User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Yes, AirTran did provide service to Fort Walton Beach (VPS) up to the 5th of November last year, many still drive over from that area, Destin/FortWalton etc as they were loyal customers to FL in VPS, but there is a demand in Pensacola as well, with Pensacola Naval Air Station, business travelers and tourist along with a bigger and better facility, AirTran is certain to do well in PNS, at present AirTran has four flight a day to and from Atlanta, three of those flights are full or near full on a daily basis, especially flights 423/424 and 427/290 Hint: make your reservations early and check in at the airport early and all will be smooth flying.
JMH
AirTran Customer Service/Ramp Agent (PNS)


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