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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2963 times:
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While flying BA on LHR-JFK/JFK-LHR, i noticed that the majority of pax on BA flights were non-British. Looking around the cabin, there were indians,chinese,isreali's,europeans-some spanish,italian and maybe some swiss or german. There were ofcourse americans but hardly any of the pax were British, only a few, i noticed this on other BA flights to/from north america. The only reason i can think of this is that these pax are all connecting pax, transitting through LHR to parts of europe, Asia, Middle east and africa.

Is there another reason?

Rdgs
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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Mind your terminology.
It cuts close to BNP parlance.
Since when is `British' an observable ethnicity?
Did you just `look' around the cabin
or did you interview each passenger as to where they lived and what passport they carried and what their language at home and at work was etc etc?



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2876 times:
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No, i didn't ask the passengers or anything like that but, as they were in close proximity of me, i could hear them talking in their language, also a guy wearing a turban and a lady wearing a saree, don't you think they would be Indian? A few people wearing a kippa, aren't they Israeli? some people talking chinese, the appearance id chinese too, aren't they chinese?

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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Nope the people you describe could all be British.
`British' is not an ethnicity.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
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Yes i know British is not an ethnicity but that's not my point, i'm trying to say there were lot's of people who were probably not originating in London or New York, but were transfer pax. I expected there to be more British pax since i was flying British airways.

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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Lighten up. It's clear what he means.
Having flown those sectors my experience has been the opposite--mostly American and British 'it would appear.'



User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Okay - instead of British, can we now read Anglo-Saxon ???

Arsenal, I know what you mean - only a flight to Tokyo a while back on BA from LHR, I was one of a small handfull of western passengers, the vast majority where of Japanese origin, including the FA's. The FA's where very handy for giving hints on getting about in Tokyo, infact one FA rewrote my directions from the train station to the hotel into Japanese so that it would be easier for a local to point me in the right direction (or at least thats what she told me she had written !! - could of been anything, either way I got to the hotel without anyone thinking I was mad).

Same goes on flights to Johannesburg, most of the people I spoke to or heard on the flight where from South Africa.

I guess it proves what BA have said all along - they are the 'World's Favourite Airline'.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Heh heh
Anglo-Saxon is fine as such
but there are Anglo-Saxon Brits and Anglo-Saxon transfer pax as well,
so you still can't answer the question.



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User currently offlineClose2lax From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Because of stupid political correctness pretty God damn soon you will not be able to say what's on your mind even though it's clearly not even close to being racial or homophobic.
Jesus Christ.
Arsenal, I travel with BA all the time, and yes, you are right, a lot of people traveling from North America are not British or American, but mideastern, Indian etc.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Thats why they're the "World's Favorite Airline," right?



User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

It ain't for nothing BA is one of the greatest airlines in the world. LHR Is a large hub, not necessary great, but large.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

The slogan was a marketing tool, I think most people might come to the conclusion that they aren't necessarily the "world's" favourite...

Anyhow, I've flown the JFK route twice with BA....have to say that on both those occasions, I sat next to Americans, Brits and Austrians (!), didn't really see many ethnic minorities (whatever their nationality...).

I think the last stats were something like 68% of BA travellers are not British; quite impressive, but understandable given western Europe often acts as a transiting point between the Americas and Africa, Middle East and India.

I've see a more diverse ethnic "passenger community" on my Emirates (and Alitalia) flights.

Cheers


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2766 times:


Hi!

I got a similar experience last summer of my BA flight from LHR to YYZ. As far as I know that flight normally connects traffic comming from India and Pakistan and infact most of the passengers in that flight where from those two countries, I'm glad that during that time things where ok and no one got in trouble due to Caxemere!!!!
regards


User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Close2lax:

Calm da hell down will ya? I don't think Voodoo was trying to be "politically correct". Ask the British themselves about what he was saying and they'll probably tell you the same thing. Afterall "British" is really not an ethnicity. There's a difference.

Doesn't sound politically correct to me.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

When I was on BA#224 on May 14 (IAD-LHR), the 772 was only half full. Most of the passengers were American in appearance. But we had a number of Africans at check-in, most were Nigerian (with their massive suitcases), connecting to the late evening flight from LHR to Lagos.

On my return, BA#225 on May 19, the 772 was packed with what appeared and sounded to be mostly Americans. And hey Arsenal@LHR, can you answer my question about Brits with big ears and small d___s?  Big grin



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User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Just because they might look different or wear something different doesn't mean that they aren't British or American.

Western countries like these contain thousands of ethnic groups, and to make the assumption that a person with a turban on is Indian or middle Eastern is ridiculous.

However, it is widely known that LHR is an enormous hub, and it would make sense that people from countries other than the US and UK would be on a JFK-LHR flight.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Close2lax,
What does an `American' look like?



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Who woke up the PC-birds? They're swooping in!!! BAAA!!!! LMAO!!!!!!

All other factors aside, a flight full of Americans would likely represent the enthnicity of the population. Mostly Anglo, many Black, many Hispanic, some Asians, a turban or two, etc. Same with a flight filled with Brits; just like U.K.

That said, if nearly every pax is non-Anglo, its safe to say many aren't Brits. That sounds like what he's pointing out.



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User currently offlineBA DC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

It is true to say that a lot of 'foreign looking' people who speak a foreign language travel on BA, however they are more than likely British. Just because people live in Britain it doesnt mean to say they speak english. I know many chinese and indian people who speak they're ethnic languages while amongst family. But yes, I do know what you mean, I travelled YVR-LHR last year in business class, and there seemed to be an even split of British and Canadians. Economy seemed about the same. I also travelled LHR-SIN on BA in business and it was almost all British except for a few Aussies. All f/a's were British, in business and first anyway.

Certainly a lot of 'ethnic minority' passengers connect onto BA from the Mid-East, Africa and South Asia, mostly because BA has a vast network covering the large areas which used to be under British rule, where passenger loads are high because there is a historical and cultural connection. These passengers connect at LHR onto BA's N.American network which is the most extensive outside of north and south america. They connect because direct flights are unjustifiable, for example United wouldnt fly LAX-Zimbabwe now would they? Flights from such destinations to the UK are filled due to the reasoning above.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6542 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Dear Arsenal@LHR, your observation is absolutely correct. I have often flown with BA and been part of that majority of foreigners.

If you have been sitting next to me, then you will have observed that I do talk sort of English language, but certainly some "dialect" which is only used on the eastern side of the Channel - the narrow strait of water which isolates the continent from Great Britain.



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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Arsenal,

You are exactly right and I've noticed that too: but only on LHR-JFK and sometimes LHR-ORD. I fly LHR-DFW on both BA and AA fairly often, and I must say that on this route AA actually gets more of a variety of type of passengers, while BA seems pretty much all Americans and Brits. However, the BA flight to Dallas gets a fair amount of German and other NATO military troops going to large bases in Texas, mostly around El Paso.

Its perfect to assume people are from a certain place based on how they are dressed or what language they speak: people who say otherwise are either a. looking for something to bitch about or b. so brainwashed by their 'political correctness' that they have lost the ability to identify anyone besides to just say they are 'humans'.

Is it OK to assume someone wearing a brassiere and high heeled shoes is a woman? Is it OK to assume someone with a mustache is a man? Is it OK to assume someone with traditional Asian features and speaking Chinese is Chinese? Arsenal made no value judgment about being British or non-British - its all of you PC police who assumed that he did. You guys who insist we take a blind eye to the differences between us all are hoping for a world where we're all clones, with no identity and with none of the variety that makes the world interesting.

kind regards,

RogueTrader



User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Please change 'LHR-DFW' to 'LGW-DFW' and forgive me for my blatant stupidity.

RT


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2646 times:
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Some very interesting replies i must say.

I noticed the pax variety on LHR-DTW-LHR aswell. Brits seem to be a minority on some of BA north american flights. I guess this is the same for flights to/from LAX/ORD/SFO/IAD etc. On that JFK-LHR flight i was talking about, there were 3 israeli girls sitting in front of me, how did i know they were Isaeli's? Because i heard them asking the FA's for Kosher meals, and they seemed to be speaking hewbrew at times aswell.

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
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Strect 8,

That thing about brit guys with big ears and big d**ks is a myth, not much value to that rumour. I've never come across that statement before, maybe someone can enlighten us on that in the non-av forum.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineTimeForFlight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Hold up - just because one wears a kippa (or yarmulke) doesn't mean he or she is Israeli. It's a Jewish custom. Not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews. You can't intertwine two completely separate things. I'm not being rude, but just correcting you - I am Jewish and live in a place where I am an outkast because of my religion. Stupid, huh? Well, the only way to make it better is to educate, so I hope you've all learned something.

25 Jaysit : Hello? We're dealing with London Heathrow here which is one of the largest hubs for international traffic. Of course you're going to find passengers f
26 PROSA : Maybe the reason why there were many non-British pax on the LHR-JFK BA flights is that Briitish people traveling on that route prefer a foreign airlin
27 Post contains images Twaneedsnohelp : there were 3 israeli girls sitting in front of me ooh were they cute? Anyway, TimeForFlight is right, the Kippa doesn't mean they were Israeli, simply
28 Arsenal@LHR : Ofcourse not everyone that's wearing a kippa is a Israeli, they could be from elsewhere, but they most likely aren't British. I was making a general a
29 Airindia : I understand Arsenal's point. But you see, many pax on KLM, Virgin, Lufthansa etc also vary. KLK does not have majority Dutch, or Lufthansa does not h
30 Leezyjet : "I think the last stats were something like 68% of BA travellers are not British" Wasn't it for this reason that Mr. Ailing (sp??) came up with the w
31 GDB : Thatcher's disapproval was irrelevant, 'World Images' were a flop with many pax. including a lot of high yield ones. Plane spotters liked them, that's
32 Banco : Leezyjet is correct though, GDB. The high numbers of non-British pax was one of the principle reasons behind going with the World Images idea. The tro
33 Arsenal@LHR : Aaagrh...I never liked the world tails, you could never tell it was a British airways plane until you saw the words "British airways" on the fuselage.
34 Englandair : Look- The VAST majority of British people are white. So large ammounts of people that aren't white would indicate that there were non Brits on the pla
35 Arsenal@LHR : The VAST majority of British people are white. So large ammounts of people that aren't white would indicate that there were non Brits on the plane. Si
36 Leezyjet : Arsenal, I must say the scheme I liked most, was the interim scheme they had before the world tails were introduced. I thought that looked much better
37 Arsenal@LHR : You mean the "landor" colour scheme before the world tails came in? I like that one too, it was a pure classic although all good things come to an end
38 Voodoo : I don't think PC-ness enters into this. In fact, its quite the opposite. The original message (if you read it slowly) described people judged merely b
39 Englandair : So basically you were just sh!t stiring and causing racial tension.......
40 Banco : How about this is turned round a touch: "Perhaps y'all just aren't aware of it, but there is a background to this in that, unlike the 2-party system i
41 Post contains images Leezyjet : Arsenal, This is the one I meant..... Just an updated version of the old one..........
42 Arsenal@LHR : That colour scheme looks incomplete, where's the red cheatline/speedbird logo?
43 Leezyjet : Arsenal, It's gone, as I said it was the interim one before the new World Images were released, as they knew they were changing the colour scheme, it
44 Jaysit : From a random sampling of this posting: Scary Spice = Not British at first glance Queen = British at first Glance (perhaps, a bit too British) Madonna
45 Yyz717 : Like it or not, PC or not, Britain is primarily an anglo-saxon country. So, yes, British is absolutely an ethnicity.
46 Voodoo : Banco, Uh, oh. I suspect you just mistook me for a Yank (re: my use of y`all') in which case I can see why you got angry. The KKK analogy is a good on
47 Englandair : I read it correctly thank you!
48 Banco : No, Voodoo, I didn't mistake you for an American at all - perhaps since you have introduced racial sensitivity to this topic you ought to more careful
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