Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
While flying BA on LHR-JFK/JFK-LHR, i noticed that the majority of pax on BA flights were non-British. Looking around the cabin, there were indians,chinese,isreali's,europeans-some spanish,italian and maybe some swiss or german. There were ofcourse americans but hardly any of the pax were British, only a few, i noticed this on other BA flights to/from north america. The only reason i can think of this is that these pax are all connecting pax, transitting through LHR to parts of europe, Asia, Middle east and africa.
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2009 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2361 times:
Mind your terminology.
It cuts close to BNP parlance.
Since when is `British' an observable ethnicity?
Did you just `look' around the cabin
or did you interview each passenger as to where they lived and what passport they carried and what their language at home and at work was etc etc?
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2357 times:
No, i didn't ask the passengers or anything like that but, as they were in close proximity of me, i could hear them talking in their language, also a guy wearing a turban and a lady wearing a saree, don't you think they would be Indian? A few people wearing a kippa, aren't they Israeli? some people talking chinese, the appearance id chinese too, aren't they chinese?
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2349 times:
Yes i know British is not an ethnicity but that's not my point, i'm trying to say there were lot's of people who were probably not originating in London or New York, but were transfer pax. I expected there to be more British pax since i was flying British airways.
RickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 2325 times:
Okay - instead of British, can we now read Anglo-Saxon ???
Arsenal, I know what you mean - only a flight to Tokyo a while back on BA from LHR, I was one of a small handfull of western passengers, the vast majority where of Japanese origin, including the FA's. The FA's where very handy for giving hints on getting about in Tokyo, infact one FA rewrote my directions from the train station to the hotel into Japanese so that it would be easier for a local to point me in the right direction (or at least thats what she told me she had written !! - could of been anything, either way I got to the hotel without anyone thinking I was mad).
Same goes on flights to Johannesburg, most of the people I spoke to or heard on the flight where from South Africa.
I guess it proves what BA have said all along - they are the 'World's Favourite Airline'.
Close2lax From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
Because of stupid political correctness pretty God damn soon you will not be able to say what's on your mind even though it's clearly not even close to being racial or homophobic.
Arsenal, I travel with BA all the time, and yes, you are right, a lot of people traveling from North America are not British or American, but mideastern, Indian etc.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
The slogan was a marketing tool, I think most people might come to the conclusion that they aren't necessarily the "world's" favourite...
Anyhow, I've flown the JFK route twice with BA....have to say that on both those occasions, I sat next to Americans, Brits and Austrians (!), didn't really see many ethnic minorities (whatever their nationality...).
I think the last stats were something like 68% of BA travellers are not British; quite impressive, but understandable given western Europe often acts as a transiting point between the Americas and Africa, Middle East and India.
I've see a more diverse ethnic "passenger community" on my Emirates (and Alitalia) flights.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
I got a similar experience last summer of my BA flight from LHR to YYZ. As far as I know that flight normally connects traffic comming from India and Pakistan and infact most of the passengers in that flight where from those two countries, I'm glad that during that time things where ok and no one got in trouble due to Caxemere!!!!
SEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
Calm da hell down will ya? I don't think Voodoo was trying to be "politically correct". Ask the British themselves about what he was saying and they'll probably tell you the same thing. Afterall "British" is really not an ethnicity. There's a difference.
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
When I was on BA#224 on May 14 (IAD-LHR), the 772 was only half full. Most of the passengers were American in appearance. But we had a number of Africans at check-in, most were Nigerian (with their massive suitcases), connecting to the late evening flight from LHR to Lagos.
On my return, BA#225 on May 19, the 772 was packed with what appeared and sounded to be mostly Americans. And hey Arsenal@LHR, can you answer my question about Brits with big ears and small d___s?
Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2190 times:
Who woke up the PC-birds? They're swooping in!!! BAAA!!!! LMAO!!!!!!
All other factors aside, a flight full of Americans would likely represent the enthnicity of the population. Mostly Anglo, many Black, many Hispanic, some Asians, a turban or two, etc. Same with a flight filled with Brits; just like U.K.
That said, if nearly every pax is non-Anglo, its safe to say many aren't Brits. That sounds like what he's pointing out.
BA DC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2181 times:
It is true to say that a lot of 'foreign looking' people who speak a foreign language travel on BA, however they are more than likely British. Just because people live in Britain it doesnt mean to say they speak english. I know many chinese and indian people who speak they're ethnic languages while amongst family. But yes, I do know what you mean, I travelled YVR-LHR last year in business class, and there seemed to be an even split of British and Canadians. Economy seemed about the same. I also travelled LHR-SIN on BA in business and it was almost all British except for a few Aussies. All f/a's were British, in business and first anyway.
Certainly a lot of 'ethnic minority' passengers connect onto BA from the Mid-East, Africa and South Asia, mostly because BA has a vast network covering the large areas which used to be under British rule, where passenger loads are high because there is a historical and cultural connection. These passengers connect at LHR onto BA's N.American network which is the most extensive outside of north and south america. They connect because direct flights are unjustifiable, for example United wouldnt fly LAX-Zimbabwe now would they? Flights from such destinations to the UK are filled due to the reasoning above.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6119 posts, RR: 55 Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
Dear Arsenal@LHR, your observation is absolutely correct. I have often flown with BA and been part of that majority of foreigners.
If you have been sitting next to me, then you will have observed that I do talk sort of English language, but certainly some "dialect" which is only used on the eastern side of the Channel - the narrow strait of water which isolates the continent from Great Britain.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
You are exactly right and I've noticed that too: but only on LHR-JFK and sometimes LHR-ORD. I fly LHR-DFW on both BA and AA fairly often, and I must say that on this route AA actually gets more of a variety of type of passengers, while BA seems pretty much all Americans and Brits. However, the BA flight to Dallas gets a fair amount of German and other NATO military troops going to large bases in Texas, mostly around El Paso.
Its perfect to assume people are from a certain place based on how they are dressed or what language they speak: people who say otherwise are either a. looking for something to bitch about or b. so brainwashed by their 'political correctness' that they have lost the ability to identify anyone besides to just say they are 'humans'.
Is it OK to assume someone wearing a brassiere and high heeled shoes is a woman? Is it OK to assume someone with a mustache is a man? Is it OK to assume someone with traditional Asian features and speaking Chinese is Chinese? Arsenal made no value judgment about being British or non-British - its all of you PC police who assumed that he did. You guys who insist we take a blind eye to the differences between us all are hoping for a world where we're all clones, with no identity and with none of the variety that makes the world interesting.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Some very interesting replies i must say.
I noticed the pax variety on LHR-DTW-LHR aswell. Brits seem to be a minority on some of BA north american flights. I guess this is the same for flights to/from LAX/ORD/SFO/IAD etc. On that JFK-LHR flight i was talking about, there were 3 israeli girls sitting in front of me, how did i know they were Isaeli's? Because i heard them asking the FA's for Kosher meals, and they seemed to be speaking hewbrew at times aswell.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
That thing about brit guys with big ears and big d**ks is a myth, not much value to that rumour. I've never come across that statement before, maybe someone can enlighten us on that in the non-av forum.
TimeForFlight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
Hold up - just because one wears a kippa (or yarmulke) doesn't mean he or she is Israeli. It's a Jewish custom. Not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews. You can't intertwine two completely separate things. I'm not being rude, but just correcting you - I am Jewish and live in a place where I am an outkast because of my religion. Stupid, huh? Well, the only way to make it better is to educate, so I hope you've all learned something.
25 Jaysit: Hello? We're dealing with London Heathrow here which is one of the largest hubs for international traffic. Of course you're going to find passengers f
26 PROSA: Maybe the reason why there were many non-British pax on the LHR-JFK BA flights is that Briitish people traveling on that route prefer a foreign airlin
27 Twaneedsnohelp: there were 3 israeli girls sitting in front of me ooh were they cute? Anyway, TimeForFlight is right, the Kippa doesn't mean they were Israeli, simply
28 Arsenal@LHR: Ofcourse not everyone that's wearing a kippa is a Israeli, they could be from elsewhere, but they most likely aren't British. I was making a general a
29 Airindia: I understand Arsenal's point. But you see, many pax on KLM, Virgin, Lufthansa etc also vary. KLK does not have majority Dutch, or Lufthansa does not h
30 Leezyjet: "I think the last stats were something like 68% of BA travellers are not British" Wasn't it for this reason that Mr. Ailing (sp??) came up with the w
31 GDB: Thatcher's disapproval was irrelevant, 'World Images' were a flop with many pax. including a lot of high yield ones. Plane spotters liked them, that's
32 Banco: Leezyjet is correct though, GDB. The high numbers of non-British pax was one of the principle reasons behind going with the World Images idea. The tro
33 Arsenal@LHR: Aaagrh...I never liked the world tails, you could never tell it was a British airways plane until you saw the words "British airways" on the fuselage.
34 Englandair: Look- The VAST majority of British people are white. So large ammounts of people that aren't white would indicate that there were non Brits on the pla
35 Arsenal@LHR: The VAST majority of British people are white. So large ammounts of people that aren't white would indicate that there were non Brits on the plane. Si
36 Leezyjet: Arsenal, I must say the scheme I liked most, was the interim scheme they had before the world tails were introduced. I thought that looked much better
37 Arsenal@LHR: You mean the "landor" colour scheme before the world tails came in? I like that one too, it was a pure classic although all good things come to an end
38 Voodoo: I don't think PC-ness enters into this. In fact, its quite the opposite. The original message (if you read it slowly) described people judged merely b
39 Englandair: So basically you were just sh!t stiring and causing racial tension.......
40 Banco: How about this is turned round a touch: "Perhaps y'all just aren't aware of it, but there is a background to this in that, unlike the 2-party system i
41 Leezyjet: Arsenal, This is the one I meant..... Just an updated version of the old one..........
42 Arsenal@LHR: That colour scheme looks incomplete, where's the red cheatline/speedbird logo?
43 Leezyjet: Arsenal, It's gone, as I said it was the interim one before the new World Images were released, as they knew they were changing the colour scheme, it
44 Jaysit: From a random sampling of this posting: Scary Spice = Not British at first glance Queen = British at first Glance (perhaps, a bit too British) Madonna
45 Yyz717: Like it or not, PC or not, Britain is primarily an anglo-saxon country. So, yes, British is absolutely an ethnicity.
46 Voodoo: Banco, Uh, oh. I suspect you just mistook me for a Yank (re: my use of y`all') in which case I can see why you got angry. The KKK analogy is a good on