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User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Where is the new 737-900??? Has Boeing canceled there plans for it. If they didn't when is it coming out. Its supposed to compete with the Airbus A321! I still think the A321 is better though. What do you think?

Any help will be appreciated!

Thanks

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User currently offlineQaddafi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 890 times:

I've never understood the rationale behind this plane (scheduled roll out 2001)

It will be longer than the 737-800 yet offer the same number of seats and suckier range. Airlines like Alaska have ordered it but why they chose it over the 738 is a mystery as is why Boeing is producing it in the first place.

It does however give the A321 a good run for the money as the range difference between the 738 and 739 is far smaller than the range difference between the A320 and A321.

I guess Bowing doesn't want to cut into its own 757 sales and rightly so.
Wouldn't want to see that beauty sacrificied for the sake of "commonality"

Regards.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11386 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 860 times:

That's an interesting question that often gets brought up. Why do both the 738 and 739 seat 189 max? Well, first, remember that it is a max. You won't find a 738 that actually has 189 seats because that's way-cramped charter class seating. For comparison, AA's seat 146 and DL's seat 154. These are both two class arrangements, and are more to be expected from a major carrier. The 739 will add about 25-30 more seats, so these airlines will still be under the 189 seat max.
Why didn't they up the max so charter companies could fill them up? Because the governments would then say it's not a 737 anymore, and Boeing wouldn't be able to sell it to 737 operators. There is a good formula for how large the max capacity of any plane is, and it is based on how many doors there are. Adding another door to the 737 would be expensive, and since no one would operate the 739 with more than 189 passengers anyways, the added expense can be avoided.

Does that make sense?

Avro RJX: Don't jump to conclusions just yet. You say that you still think the 321 is better, but no one has actually seen a 739 yet. Let's wait until they come out. Okay?  



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User currently offlineFirst Class From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 865 times:

Hi Qaddafi
As in reality, you seem to have lost your brain - because you don't now how to spell your name!
But please don't retaliate - and change your name to
Khadaffi!!!!!!!


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11386 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Actually, there are a whole bunch of different correct spellings of the name. The name isn't English, and it isn't even written natively with Roman characters like we use here. There is no absolute direct translations from many of the sounds in the Arabic alphabet to the Roman alphabet. (The Japanese is the same way.) I've seen Qaddafi, Khadaffi, Gadafy, elQadaffi, Qadhafi, and more. Check out this page for the many spellings:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8744/spelling.htm

Ya learn something every day.



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User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Dear D L X,
I have ridden the A321 3 times and I have ridden the 737-800 4 times and I personally prefer the A321. As you said the 737-900 is just slightly longer than the 737-800, which means that it isn't going to be much different than the 737-800. I personally prefer Airbus aircraft over Boeing.

Regards,


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11386 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 831 times:

Okay, well, that's a perfectly valid reason to prefer the 321! Just curious, what airline did you take the 738 on?


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User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 812 times:

Avro RJX-- You say you prefer the A321 over the 737-900. Um, hello? The aircraft hasn't even come out off the production floor yet. Nobody has seen one, let alone ride one. How can you compare it?

User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 795 times:

First 737-900 is in production now.

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 796 times:

You're sure the 737-900 is in production? Who has them?

Go to the Boeing Commercial Airplanes Orders and Deliveries page. Do a search on 737-900 deliveries. The response is No records were found to match your query.

Unless I missed something, they're still being built.


User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 772 times:

The 737-900 is in productoin now and the first one will be delivered to Alaska Airlines sometime this year.

Hypermike: I have seen pictures of the 737-900, it is just a longer version of the 737-800 that carries a few more passengers with worse perfomance. I have ridden the 737-800 4 times and the A321 3 times and I am telling you that the A321 is a MUCH better plane. The A320 Family is better than the Next Generation 737! Thats just my opinion. Theres nothing wrong with the Next Generation 737s, its just that the A320 Family is better!

Regards,


User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 763 times:

The 737-900 is in productoin now and the first one will be delivered to Alaska Airlines sometime this year.

Hypermike: I have seen pictures of the 737-900, it is just a longer version of the 737-800 that carries a few more passengers with worse perfomance. I have ridden the 737-800 4 times and the A321 3 times and I am telling you that the A321 is a MUCH better plane. The A320 Family is better than the Next Generation 737! Thats just my opinion. Theres nothing wrong with the Next Generation 737s, its just that the A320 Family is better!

Regards,


User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 757 times:

The 737-900 is in production now and the first one will be delivered to Alaska Airlines sometime this year.

Hypermike: I have seen pictures of the 737-900, it is just a longer version of the 737-800 that carries a few more passengers with worse perfomance. I have ridden the 737-800 4 times and the A321 3 times and I am telling you that the A321 is a MUCH better plane. The A320 Family is better than the Next Generation 737! Thats just my opinion. Theres nothing wrong with the Next Generation 737s, its just that the A320 Family is better!

Regards,


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 764 times:

The 737-900 is a logical and perfect addition to the 737NG family. It has transcontinental range which is something the A321 is just now developing (sorry to burst your bubble Avro RJX). As D L X stated so well above, the maximum seating is only an issue with charter operators. Standard US airline seating (and European) will be well below the max seating, thus the 737-900 will carry more passengers over a transcontinental range. It is a great bird. As far as the "I've ridden the 737NG and the A320 series, and A320 series is better", that is just an opinion. I have also ridden both, and it depends on the airline and their seat choice, pitch, etc. I flew on a packed Canada 3000 A320 from Miami to Vancouver and return, and it was pretty tight. I also flew on a Continental 737-700 and 737-800, and they were very nice. That's not a fair comparison though due to the aforementioned factors.

User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 765 times:

I'm sorry to say that you are wrong in one thing. The 737-900 has MUCH worse range than the A321. I flew on the A321 from Cairo, Egypt to Zurich, Switzerland which is a 5 hour flight! Now that is something the 737-900 will not be able to do. Even Boeing admits that the A321 is still going to be better than the 737-900, I heard it on the news. I still like 737s. It is the plane I have flown most on in my life! But the A320 Family is a MUCH better aircraft.

Regards,


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11386 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 758 times:

You're pretty well traveled for someone in the 5-15 group. I'm impressed. (Actually, I'm jealous.)

Cairo to Zrc is only 2100 miles. The 737-900 range is 3140. That's quite a bit further. Also of note, the 738's range is only 200 miles more. Compare that to the 321 and 320, you'll see quite a difference.

I'm not faulting you at all for prefering the 320 family over the 737 family, as a passenger. However, you still haven't answered my question about which airlines you flew both on. If you're comparing a Soutwest 737 to a SwissAir 321, that's really not a fair comparison. The seats and service will always be much better on the SwissAir jet.



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User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 759 times:

I rode the 737-800 on Delta and American. As you said, the 737-900 has a range of 3,140. That range is with no passengers and only the crew. Take off roughly 1,000 miles and that is the range of the aircraft with full passenger load. Now the A321 is has a range of 4,100 with no passengers and only the crew. The A321 has a range of 3,040 with a FULL passenger load. The A320 has a range of 3,100 with a FULL passenger load. That is only 60 miles different. You ask me how I know all this, well I contacted Airbus for some info and they sent me a huge package including 2 briefings books on the A320 Family by mail!

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 759 times:

Avro, I don't doubt your sincerity. But, as D L X once again correctly stated, the 737-900 will in fact have transcontinental range which the A321 has not had until the most recent high gross weight incarnation which is coming out and which US Airways has ordered (finally!). Remember, we can't listen to the news. You'll get much better info here. Glad you posted this subject. Take care.

User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 755 times:

I agree with you that the 737-900 will have transcontinental range. The 737 is an excelent aircraft. Boeing are the first to develop a short range jet aircraft! I think now the A320 Family is better than the 737 Family. I don't want to start a war with any one. I think the 737 is still a marvelous and it will always be a marvelous aircraft, but now I think the A320 Family has stole its record. That is just my opinion though.

Regards,


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11386 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 748 times:

"the 737-900 has a range of 3,140. That range is with no passengers and only the crew. Take off roughly 1,000 miles and that is the range of the aircraft with full passenger load. "

Where in the world did you hear this? Boeing's published ranges are based on typical loads. (That may be different than Airbus' published ranges.) If you heard this in Airbus' packet, take it with a grain of salt. That packet was intended to sell planes. Don't you think it would be a little biased?


BTW, no 321 has ever gone 4000 miles. That puppy is severly range limited. The new 321 can only go 2800 miles with a load, maybe. That's according to US Airways, a new 321IGW customer.



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User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 437 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 744 times:

When i went to search for the 737-900 IT showed 4 Airlines & 45 Aircraft ordered. I think you should check your info before you post it.

thanks
flying_727`



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11386 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 744 times:

As a footnote, don't forget that there are 738's operated Hartford-LA. That's over 2500 miles. By your logic of taking the published range and subtracting 1000 for an operable range, you would find that Hartford-LA is way out of range for the 738s.

You're a smart kid. Keep it up!  



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User currently offlineAvro RJX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 746 times:

Sorry, I meant takeoff around 500 miles. And yes you are right the A321 has never gone 4000 miles, it has reached 3,600 miles, but with a 185 seat configuration the A321 has a range of 3,040 miles. What Boeing says about the 737-900 capable of fly 3,140 miles is with no passengers flying on it. All the info in the briefing books are 100% true.

Regards,


User currently offlineAa737 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 739 times:

First off, this has been a good post to read, arguments are always fun to watch.

DLX, you were saying that the Airbus ranges were biased. I don't know if thats true or not so I'll just trust you. But, you are also using the Boeing published ranges to show how far the 739 will go. Aren't those also biased to sell planes like Airbus?

About one being more comforatable then the other. I have flown to many A32x and 737s to count all the times, and I must say I find them to be kind of the same on the inside. I have a personal preference for Boeings, but still find both types comfort wise the same. I am just happy to be flying.


User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 742 times:

You are wrong!!!!

The 737-900 will be capable from day 1 of flying any US transcon route with a full load of pax. That is a fact.


25 Post contains images D L X : "DLX, you were saying that the Airbus ranges were biased. I don't know if thats true or not so I'll just trust you. " What!!! Don't just trust me! I'm
26 Hypermike : Flying_727: Go back and read my post. I asked about 737-900 DELIVERIES. I agree that four airlines have ordered 45 aircraft. But not one has been deli
27 Post contains images D L X : hey, we've agreed on things before, haven't we? If it means anything, although I do disagree with you often, I do find your posts honest and informati
28 Panamfanatic : As far as i know, the 737-900 has the same # of seats as the 737-800 to offer more legroom and passenger comfort.
29 Hypermike : DLX, I think we've agreed all of about twice. :-) Clearly, you know more about aviation than I do. You know more about the aircraft and how they opera
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