Emile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4940 times:
rumor at ewr is that SK will be returning to CO as a partner.
this was heard by both CO and SK employees,also at SK res. center in lyndhurt.
it seems that SK is unhappy with UA,and that SK customers are refusing to fly on UA.
the majority of people still transfer to CO for there connecting flights.
after all UA can not offer the feed traffic that CO can at ewr.
also given that times are tough for all now,do you actually believe that the outside sales people from LH are really going to push SK???????
LH would rather swalluw up SK.
but i do not believe that would be a welcome outcome by SK.
i think that SK believes that KLM is a better partner and a lot off scandinavian people fly out off amsterdam.
will this be KLMs strong european partner i hope so.
NW,CO,MH, SK,MA,KQ,CZ will this be WINGS.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4248 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4842 times:
Particularily as CO does not belong to any of the world's large airline alliances - why would you leave the world's largest and arguably best alliance for nothing but just a few better connections at one of your overseas destinations ? For better connections, SAS could always introduce flights to ORD or IAD as EWR probably has a lot of point to point traffic anyway. I believe it when I hear it from the Star Alliance CEO.
Blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4759 times:
I would like to believe this, but realizing it is just a rumor, I will have to see it in a press-release. It would be one thing if SAS never served ORD and IAD, but as previously noted, they do. There might be some truth to this...
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4748 times:
I'm not convinced by rumours!!
However, it is a FACT that Qantas is in discussions with ANZ regarding buying a stake in the latter; if this happens, ANZ will apparently have to leave Star...perhaps this has partly come about due to BA's involvement in Qantas.
On the other hand, SIA apparently have plans for an Australian airline, so this could soften the blow of ANZ having to quit Star (and paying something in the region of $30 million to do so).
There may be a revolution in the structure of alliances, just round the corner!
DragonRapide From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4743 times:
It's not about leaving a succesful alliance, or leaving the biggest alliance. The question is does it work for SAS?
If they find their main target for being part of STAR was the traffic to and from US with the UA connenctions and if that is not working for them, why would they stay in the alliance? It would be more logic if they opt for a partner (code-share) their customers like.
Personnaly the only good thing of an alliance is for the frequent flyer. Frankly I don't see the big benefit it for the airlines. Yeah right, now you can buy a ticket with many airlines on it, switching from one company to the other, change your ticket between companies at a much lower price than before. Again, all in the benefit of the customer. If there were no alliances, people would fly as much as today (because it is only the frequent flyer businessman who feels the benefit and he will not stop flying if the alliances would disintegrate).
Inshort: if Start doesn't work for SAS, they should bail out.
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4484 times:
There's absolutely NO truth in the rumours about SAS leaving the Star Alliance.
It has worked,and still works,perfectly for SAS.
As for the co-operation btw. SK and UA,there has been a more or less connection between the 2 since the early -50's.The CO connection is a remnant from the -80's when SAS had a major share in CO.
As for the Qantas,/Air NZ deal,it has been mentioned in several media that QF may possibly join Star as a result!
Now,how's that for a rumour?
Heisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4413 times:
I don't think SAS will leave Star alliance at all. UA is however not much liked by the SAS passengers from what I've heard. That doesn't mean that SK will Star. Why not replace Star with another US carrier? ...and we're off.....
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2938 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4138 times:
This would be a very interesting move and Malaysia Airlines would be watching closely since Scandinavia is a rather important market for Malaysia - which it has found hard to penetrate (previously only operating charter flights in the past) until its code-share agreement with KLM recently (MAS now code-shares on KLMs Scandinavian routes via Amsterdam).
SAS could also benefit from an alliance with MAS as it currently operates a well-troden and competitive CPH-BKK-SIN route all served by SK, TG and SQ - all of which belong to STAR. Switching from STAR in SE Asia to KUL would mean less competition and the continuing benefits of access to Australia (with MAS instead of TG or SQ)
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3983 times:
SAS is neither owned nor dominated by LH or anybody else,for that matter.50% is owned by the 3 Scandinavian governments,the remaining half by private interests.
Rumours about SAS leaving Star are just that:rumours.SAS has long-term plans for their participation and investment in Star and we may see other airlines owned by SAS join Star at some time in the future.
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3719 times:
I agree it seems unlikely SAS would bolt from a strong and well put together alliance, but if Lufthansa is really screwing SAS and stealing pax on transAtlantic flights if SAS passengers are having unpleasant experiences on United, then its possible.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5628 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3598 times:
Wasn't there another rumour here about a week ago stating that QF would leave OW for Star? Guys, these are just rumours and nothing more. SK owns part of BD, Spanair, and codeshares extensively with its star partners. Why would it choose to leave a very well established alliance (and pay a $32 million separation fee for that matter) to join up with CO when CO is just fleshing out a partnership with KL?
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: Perhaps the growing potential for SAS is not good enough in Star. With so called "wings" they could become more prominent in the German and East Europ
: Regarding QF leaving for Star; this was mooted, but analysts didn't think it likely given the two BA people on the QF board would veto any such decisi
: >>Why don't they invite CO to the Star Alliance? Weren't they looking for another US carrier to join STAR?
: I think it's a false rumour. SK is doing fine with STAR alliance!
: Well, big is good? Depends of which market you are talking about... it seems as this discussion is not more than gossips and Oneworld vs. Star Allianc
: STAR ALLIANCE is the epitome of the old saying, "Too Many Cooks Spoil The Broth".