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SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.  
User currently offlineEmile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

rumor at ewr is that SK will be returning to CO as a partner.
this was heard by both CO and SK employees,also at SK res. center in lyndhurt.
it seems that SK is unhappy with UA,and that SK customers are refusing to fly on UA.
the majority of people still transfer to CO for there connecting flights.
after all UA can not offer the feed traffic that CO can at ewr.
also given that times are tough for all now,do you actually believe that the outside sales people from LH are really going to push SK???????
LH would rather swalluw up SK.
but i do not believe that would be a welcome outcome by SK.
i think that SK believes that KLM is a better partner and a lot off scandinavian people fly out off amsterdam.
will this be KLMs strong european partner i hope so.
NW,CO,MH, SK,MA,KQ,CZ will this be WINGS.

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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4667 times:

I want to see that in writing from SAS! Until then it??s nothing but another rumour. Why on earth should SAS be leaving the most successful alliance? That would be more than normally stupidity!!

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4604 times:

Particularily as CO does not belong to any of the world's large airline alliances - why would you leave the world's largest and arguably best alliance for nothing but just a few better connections at one of your overseas destinations ? For better connections, SAS could always introduce flights to ORD or IAD as EWR probably has a lot of point to point traffic anyway. I believe it when I hear it from the Star Alliance CEO.

User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4589 times:

Nonsense!

SAS and Lufthansa are so tightly connected that it seems rather ridiculous to go for KLM. Yes, UA is not the best option, but Star Alliance is more than UA.


User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4578 times:

Vfw614: SAS already fly daily to ORD and IAD.

User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4521 times:

I would like to believe this, but realizing it is just a rumor, I will have to see it in a press-release. It would be one thing if SAS never served ORD and IAD, but as previously noted, they do. There might be some truth to this...

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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4510 times:

I'm not convinced by rumours!!

However, it is a FACT that Qantas is in discussions with ANZ regarding buying a stake in the latter; if this happens, ANZ will apparently have to leave Star...perhaps this has partly come about due to BA's involvement in Qantas.

On the other hand, SIA apparently have plans for an Australian airline, so this could soften the blow of ANZ having to quit Star (and paying something in the region of $30 million to do so).

There may be a revolution in the structure of alliances, just round the corner!  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineDragonRapide From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4505 times:

It's not about leaving a succesful alliance, or leaving the biggest alliance. The question is does it work for SAS?
If they find their main target for being part of STAR was the traffic to and from US with the UA connenctions and if that is not working for them, why would they stay in the alliance? It would be more logic if they opt for a partner (code-share) their customers like.

Personnaly the only good thing of an alliance is for the frequent flyer. Frankly I don't see the big benefit it for the airlines. Yeah right, now you can buy a ticket with many airlines on it, switching from one company to the other, change your ticket between companies at a much lower price than before. Again, all in the benefit of the customer. If there were no alliances, people would fly as much as today (because it is only the frequent flyer businessman who feels the benefit and he will not stop flying if the alliances would disintegrate).

Inshort: if Start doesn't work for SAS, they should bail out.


User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

There's absolutely NO truth in the rumours about SAS leaving the Star Alliance.
It has worked,and still works,perfectly for SAS.
As for the co-operation btw. SK and UA,there has been a more or less connection between the 2 since the early -50's.The CO connection is a remnant from the -80's when SAS had a major share in CO.
As for the Qantas,/Air NZ deal,it has been mentioned in several media that QF may possibly join Star as a result!
Now,how's that for a rumour?



"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!
User currently offlineEmile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

look at www.flyertalk.com forum sk

User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4201 times:

Hard to see that happen. If SK have thoughts of leaving Star, why would Spanair then join this year? SK owns 74% of Spanair.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4175 times:

Why do you all keep going on about biggest alliance etc....

Bigger is not better.... BETTER is better


User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4175 times:

I don't think SAS will leave Star alliance at all. UA is however not much liked by the SAS passengers from what I've heard. That doesn't mean that SK will Star. Why not replace Star with another US carrier? ...and we're off.....

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

IMO, NWA is not far away when talking to Co

apart from a EWR connection, the MSP hub could be very interesting for SAS.
Minnesota has strong German/Scandinavian background/influence.

Two daily CPH-MSP codeshare with NWA ... with feeders from Scandanavia/Germany .... backed up by KLM ..

Sounds like a bad dream for LH !


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

This would be a very interesting move and Malaysia Airlines would be watching closely since Scandinavia is a rather important market for Malaysia - which it has found hard to penetrate (previously only operating charter flights in the past) until its code-share agreement with KLM recently (MAS now code-shares on KLMs Scandinavian routes via Amsterdam).

SAS could also benefit from an alliance with MAS as it currently operates a well-troden and competitive CPH-BKK-SIN route all served by SK, TG and SQ - all of which belong to STAR. Switching from STAR in SE Asia to KUL would mean less competition and the continuing benefits of access to Australia (with MAS instead of TG or SQ)


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3831 times:

Isn't SAS already dominated (owned) by LH ? Does SAS mngt still have enough influence on their own future or do they have to do what LH thinks is best for them ?


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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

SAS is neither owned nor dominated by LH or anybody else,for that matter.50% is owned by the 3 Scandinavian governments,the remaining half by private interests.
Rumours about SAS leaving Star are just that:rumours.SAS has long-term plans for their participation and investment in Star and we may see other airlines owned by SAS join Star at some time in the future.



"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!
User currently offlineCFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Why don't they invite CO to the Star Alliance? Weren't they looking for another US carrier to join STAR?

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

.. and is talking to everyone, like the rest of the industry, and is keeping all options open for the long term survival of XXXX Airlines as a strong and independent airline.
 Sleepy
No formal talks are held on the subject of changing of partners. Any possible change would be discussed in advance with the stakeholders / authority's.
 Sleepy

No confirmation on anything until something is signed, as usual ....


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Anyway, oneWorld is the best Alliance anyway  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

bigger is better,with so many star partners i think (IMO) that it would be a bad move for sas but i dont have insider info.i like sas and hope they dont but why would you go from the star to oneworld?

ONEWORLD SUCKS,but whatever works for SAS.




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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

I agree it seems unlikely SAS would bolt from a strong and well put together alliance, but if Lufthansa is really screwing SAS and stealing pax on transAtlantic flights if SAS passengers are having unpleasant experiences on United, then its possible.



User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

I don't see why SAS pax are complaining about United. It's not like that airline is that much above mediocrity either.

User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

757, have you personally flown SK? I assume you have to be able to make a comparison with UA.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Wasn't there another rumour here about a week ago stating that QF would leave OW for Star? Guys, these are just rumours and nothing more. SK owns part of BD, Spanair, and codeshares extensively with its star partners. Why would it choose to leave a very well established alliance (and pay a $32 million separation fee for that matter) to join up with CO when CO is just fleshing out a partnership with KL?


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25 Post contains links and images Keesje : Perhaps the growing potential for SAS is not good enough in Star. With so called "wings" they could become more prominent in the German and East Europ
26 Capt.Picard : Regarding QF leaving for Star; this was mooted, but analysts didn't think it likely given the two BA people on the QF board would veto any such decisi
27 Lowfareair : >>Why don't they invite CO to the Star Alliance? Weren't they looking for another US carrier to join STAR?
28 SAS-A321 : I think it's a false rumour. SK is doing fine with STAR alliance!
29 Swissgabe : Well, big is good? Depends of which market you are talking about... it seems as this discussion is not more than gossips and Oneworld vs. Star Allianc
30 A330_DTW : STAR ALLIANCE is the epitome of the old saying, "Too Many Cooks Spoil The Broth".
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