DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8825 posts, RR: 12 Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
Chautauqua will become a Delta Connection carrier beginning in November, 2002, using a fleet of 22 new ERJ-135s, which will be delivered from October until December, 2003. The airline will be based in Florida, and will be replacing the Comair EMB-120s on interstate routes right now. Comair will still retain its hub at MCO using CRJs. Does anyone have any idea if the airline will be based solely at MCO, or possibly adding another focus city at FLL to attempt to compete against AA at MIA? Also, I know the press release is really pushing Florida, but does anyone think we might see some regional services, such as MCO-MSY, etc.?
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6299 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3291 times:
From the press release it looks like eventually much of Comair's service will be phased out altogether. It will be interesting to see if DL tries to buildup up FLL a little bit more or add back MSY-MCO and BHM-MCO which were cut earlier. The 37seat ERJ's are smaller and so could probably run some thinner routes. With 22 planes on order plus options for thirty more, DL's going to have to do something with all those planes.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8825 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Another question is what about Key West. Since the runway is only 4800 ft down there, will this suffice for an ERJ-135? I know that this runway length is too short for a CRJ, so what would happen. I can envision the following:
1.) If the ERJ-135 can safely make it in, then nothing.
2.) ASA comes in and puts its own EMB-120 on this route.
3.) Delta drops the city.
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2267 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
When Chautauqua announced that they would become an America West Express carrier, they stated that they would order 12 ERJ-145's with an option of 12 more. Does anyone know if this latest order includes the 12 ERJ optional order?
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2267 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
That's correct. However, Chautauqua's expansion in CMH is to replace Mesa's operations in Columbus. The nine Mesa CRJ's based in Columbus have been slowly making their way back to Phoenix as Chautauqua continues to accept delivery of the 12 ERJ-145's ordered to fly under the America West Express banner. Since delivery is nearing completion, I'm hoping that part of the just-announced 22 ERJ-145 order will go to America West Express operations in Columbus.
Miller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 711 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3179 times:
The florida routes are too thin for a 50 seat jet. Right now they are flown by 30 seat brasilias and taking 5-20 passengers a pop. But Comair is getting rid of the Brasilias and going all jet. Trust me, you can't fly DAB-MCO with 50 seats unless MCO increases its hub. Comair is taking the RJ's and moving them to more long haul routes. They also announced a crew base in DFW for 2003 today. Viva la Mexico!
To answer the Key West question, there are serious talks, and I believe its close to being finished, of putting the CRJ into Key West. The runway's short, and it has to be VFR, but Eastern had a 727 in there before...the RJ can do it. oh, and don't forget the CRJ-700. Better takeoff/landing performance...but that's just speculation.
ATL2CDG From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 296 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
According to an internal memo at ASA, the MCO Comair base will close to FAs and pilots. Apparently, only ground personel are going to remain to support the few long haul flights that Comair will thru MCO (rather than from MCO [does that make sense?]). No matter the circumstances, I smell a 'BOHICA' for the wholly-owneds. Another sad day for those of us actually making money for DL and getting the unroyal treatment.
I LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
I think that this is good news. To have an airline expand like, Chatauqua, hopefully means that the industry is slowly making a recovery. I doubt that Comair or ASA will be jeopoardized by this. I am trying to read between the lines and I think Delta just wants to expand its other regionals and move them around while not cutting back on a lucrative FLA market. Should be interesting.
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3105 times:
Let's see here....
We've got the old TWA colors, but that's going to "American Connection..."
Already was USAirways Express... Still converting Saabs to new USAirways colors...
Now it's America West Express....
and Delta connection???
Will the passengers know exactly what airline they're on? How will the paint shop know which end is up?
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1924 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
I think there are only four or five SAABs left. They are used from PIT to FWA, AOO, JST, and now CLE again. From what I am told, the remaining SAABs will be history sometime late this summer. As for the ERJ's in TWA colors, those will soon be repainted in America West Express colors and then replaced with 140's on the American Connection side. USAirways Express is maxxed out for now as more RJ's cannot be added until a Jets4Jobs agreement is made. You ask how will the paint shop know which end is up? Try making passenger announcements and remembering exactly what airline you work for that day.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6299 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3016 times:
I wouldn't worry about getting kicked in the ass by this move. There's lots more growth in Comair's and ASA's futures. There's more room to grow at CVG, plus Comair is slowly gaining more flights at DFW and ATL. Plus, there's always those rumblings that someday Comair might get shipped West to feed DL's LAX operation (instead of relying on Eagle). Of course, the LAX flying is a long way off and I don't know if DL is serious enough about the West Coast to actually put a feeder carrier out there.
Yes, it's annoying to lose a crew base, but overall the Comair folks have experienced tremendous growth with DL over the past few years.
The only ones really getting screwed are mainline DL which keeps shrinking. I wonder when those pesky scope clauses will finally kick in
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3243 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2977 times:
just out of curiousity, does anyone think that this new regional carrier could be the beginning of the end for Delta Express. Just thought it was interesting that they are starting another regional carrier in the area, with comair already fairly big. could these new flts eventually take the place of some Delta Express Flts?
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8825 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
I don't think that the new carrier will replace Delta Express at all. The southernmost Express city (non-Florida) is IAD, and IAD-MCO is 757 miles, which is capable of the ERJ, but I would think that Delta would keep the 737 here. Also, the majority of Express routes are from JFK, ISP, EWR, PVD, BDL, and BOS, which would be a little long (~1000 miles) for an RJ, especially when there is demand for the 737. If anything, I could see the RJs restoring/expanding service to some of the shorter Express routes that were cut over the past year.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6299 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
No, I don't think this will replace DeltaExpress (except in a few cities where DLX has already been replaced...SDF,BNA,RDU). Chautauqua will be replacing most of Comair's flights so that's the first priority. To give you an idea, here are all the cities that have Comair service to MCO.
PNS,TLH,RSW,EYW,MIA,FLL,PBI,GSO,BNA,RDU,SDF(done by ASA)
Comair also flies TLH-FLL and TLH-MIA.
Considering the number of planes being brought in by Chautauqua, I could imagine a few new cities being served to MCO like BHM (served in the past), MSY (served in the past), VPS, MOB, GSP and CAE.
Routes like JAX-FLL and TPA-FLL (DL has one 757 daily) have a good amount of demand but the route is well served by WN.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17293 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
With Delta Connection, Inc. converting some of their CRJ order to the version of the 100/200 with smaller pax capacity (I can remember the number Bombardier has given that version), I am surprised that Delta would sign on another DC operator out of MCO. Of course, they have begun to integrate some Delta Connection operations (Comair flights out of both DFW and ATL, ACA flights out of CVG), so it really does not suprise that another operator will also operate Delta Connection flights out of MCO. But adding another carrier on one hand seems like an unusual idea, at the same time, it also enables Comair and ASA to enter other markets. Maybe Comair will start plying some western routes out of SLC and/or LAX, with ASA taking over some of Comairs other routes. It logically would have made more sense to just shift a few of ASA's Brasilias down to MCO, but since ASA is retiring them as new CRJ-200s enter the fleet (while a few others get transferred to DFW from ATL), Delta would have had to make this decision sooner or later anyway. Of course, with Comair closing its crew base @ MCO and opening one @ DFW, this does bring up the much talked about merger of ASA and Comair operations into one unified airline, since they are both owned by Delta Connection, Inc.,
AirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2900 times:
I doubt we will see a Merger any time soon between ASA and COMAIR. While they both are fully owned by Delta, delta has been switching flying from one regional per hub to several to avoid the situation that occured in CVG when Comair striked. Losing that much regional feed killed the CVG hub, and Delta doesn't want to see it happen anywhere else anytime soon. By merging ASA and COMAIR, your two largest regionals that control almost all of your feed on the east coast and midwest become one carrier, and if that goes on strike, you are in a lot of trouble.
25 AA717driver: Congrats to the CHQ people--they were great to me when I commuted from STL-IND. Sorry for the mainline DL people. So, exactly when did the arbitrator
26 DeltAirlines: I'm a little surprised that Comair won't be expanding in ATL, with the ASA pilots contract up next year sometime. As for DFW, I would have thought tha
27 CVG777: Okay, I have been away from a computer for a couple of weeks and was shocked to hear this, as I thought Comair or even Atlantic Coast Jet would build