Aerolineas Argentinas inaugurated on Monday the Route from Madrid to Puerto Vallarta (Mexico), that will be covered for the first time in the history of the company in a weekly fight with Airbus 340/200 that will code share and have the technical and operative support of Airplus Comet in Spain.
This is the first time that a non European carrier has qualified for this type of operations that demands a high degree of competition as it is the case of Aerolineas Argentinas.
This new destination that will be covered every Monday during the European summer has been programmed by Viajes Marsans Spain who deals it in the local market and the inaugural flight left from from Barajas
Airport at 13:55 with 249 passengers that is with the airplane full.
The frequencies to Puerto Vallarta are part of the program that Aerolineas Argentinas has deployed for its development in Europe and is added to the operations that with base in Madrid will be inaugurated on Monday 16 of June with three weekly frequencies to London and Paris using MD-88.
In this way the flagship carrier tries to increase its income in its foreign operations which will allow the company to consolidate his position in the aerocomercial market which will contribute to keep its 7000 employees who currently work at the company.
Doubtlessly the operations in Europe will imply a substantial growth of transported passengers aspect in which the company already registers favorable figures: since the new management of the company 1,759,614 passengers taken in global form were transported and on last May they were 244,055 which represents 8,000 more occupied seats that on last April.
This number is equivalent to a 3.4 percent of increase of passengers in the flights on Aerolineas Argentinas despite the aerocomercial sector is in big difficult situation as a result of the economic reality that is facing the country.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6097 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1363 times:
This could be a good move for Aerolineas as it brings foreign currency into the airline. I do wonder if a 3 times a week frequency to London and Paris will attract local passengers within Europe.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9413 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
I saw this new livery on a website which designs new liveries for airlines. I really like this new livery if it will be introduced, especially the new tail logo looks great. I hope Aerolineas Argentinas will introduce this livery.
By the way, will Aerolineas Argentinas still be getting the A340-300 for their long-haul fleet renewal/expansion programme? I read somwhere that they changed their A340-600 order/lease to the smaller A340-300. Looking at their current financial status, are they still planning on taking these A340-300's?
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2666 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
I read once that Aerolineas Argentinas wanted to start service from EZE to Acapulco back in the late 90s. Mexicana used to fly an A320 between Acapulco and Cancun, which was mostly catered for the Argentinian tourist.
David_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
I will call Aeromexico and Mexicana and ask them why they are sleepy on the European Market, because, sorry for people from Argentina but I really disagree that a southamerican carrier is flying European routes to Mexico. Where are the local companies??? AM Flying only to MEX from Europe, they think they are gonna do great money with alliances (yes, I know they work) but other carriers are taking advantage of great places like Pto. Vallarta.
Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Couldn't agree with you more. I thing the big shots over at AM and MX are more concerned about selling their airlines than making them profitable and seizing opportunities. But has it ever been any different?
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2666 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
Oh, I know, I was just mentioning the fact. I read somewhere that Mexicana's flight to Buenos Aires are still reporting decent load factor given the situation, so I assume now that its mostly Mexican tourist visiting Argentina.
Its nobody's fault that Mexican airlines are always ignoring their market. So, why complain? They (Aerolineas/Marsans) are doing a favor to the Mexican economy by bringing people who will: pay airport taxes, stay at hotels, buy Mexican food, pay more taxes, shop for Mexican artwork, shop at the stores, and buy stuff from vendors on the street so that they can feed their families.
Nobody has ever thought about flying directly to Puerto Vallarta from Madrid. On the other hand, you have to understand that these flights are very low-yield and for that matter they require a large number of volume in order to make a buck out of them. In this case, the Marsans tour group markets and sells the tour packages, Aerolineas only flies the passengers there, and the ticket also includes the hotel stay. Aerolineas does not control the price of the ticket, and they'll only get a very small profit per seat, and only if there is a high percentage of seats sold will the airline make a decent return on their investment. That's the way the charter business works.
The Mexican airlines don't have a dedicated widebody fleet to support these kind of services. Besides, they really don't care and don't want to get involved dealing with this type of market. Hence the fact that they have basically ignored the Cancun market all together leaving the Charter European airlines to fly all the flights from Europe.
And remember that when the Mexican economy was suffering through the Tequila crisis, Argentineans were still visiting and supporting the tourist infrastructure bringing much needed money.
David_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1135 times:
CX340, yeah that's the way they have been working... It hasn't been any different, that's why AM and MX should be sold A.S.A.P. because it appears they are becoming just regional airlines in a gobal world.
LatinPlane you are right I agree totally but our flag carriers would be concerned about that market they are leaving alone. I complain because I live in Mexico, and I worry about our Mexican airlines I feel I just got to tell the truth about it, non-Mexican carriers are doing profit of Mexican Places (no matter if big or small).
Here in Mexico economy is still having trouble. I don't mean with this post that Argentinian don't have the right to pass over their crisis, but since we still have problems would be better to have that needed money in our airlines besides cutting employment and opportunities for new pilots, engineers, and flight attendants, etc.
And here we are talking about European tourists not Argentinian. If they have EZE-CUN that's OK. But again, a South American Carrier having non-stop flights from Europe to Mexico, that is something I just can't leave as it is.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6097 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1089 times:
I was just extremely surprised and shocked , being Argentina one of the favorites and usually one of the best teams in the world cup it's just schocking they didn't make it to the next "vuelta" or round .
I hope Mexico wins EL Mundial de Futbol, the next match for Mexico wont be easy it's against the Italians.
They are going to delete this or just say something like this dosen't belong here.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5172 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
AeroMexico and Mexicana not involing on European routes, because as it was mention above they are giving more importance to the sell of Cintra. When the time comes to compete between these two airlines, THEN AM and MX will start competing both of them getting routes, and giving the best service. And THEN start flying to more destinations including Europe with many more FREQS and Aircraft.. also we might see in next years Mexicana, AeroMexico, Iberia flying to Madrid, why not CDG too. Flying to LHR, from Mexico City and Cancún... just wait till both companies split.
Widebodies on Mexican airlines right now they´re not neccesary because they have given preference to Mexican, Us and Canadian market... also everyone knows orders from Cintra´s leaders is to let AeroMexico FOR NOW, let them fly to Europe... but I hope and imagine things WILL change when they sell by separate this two airlines, we will see AM and MX doing their work by THEIR OWN, without any order from others, right know just like CINTRA is doing. But trust me wide bodies... Mexican airlines discovering new skies, in new countries never flown before will come. Just remember MX is authorised for flying to LHR since the 70s... THEY DON´T DO THAT ROUTE... why.... just ask Cintra´s leaders... or years ago before Cintra´s creation was because they didn´t know the great demand that route was going to be on this years...
Iím with you DAVID, upset and too bad I´m nobody to make new things, try other markets.. introducing this kind of routes.... Mexico can be a very agressive market with many destinations such as SJD, CUN, PVR, CZM, MID, VSA, all the Mayan route... Carribean, all Baja California with many nice places to visit and to know....
But for now I??ll better think in other things..... like the WCup. Well tomorrow Italy is packing their baggage for going back home... while Mexico got an appointment with the history books...
France, Argentina, who´s next? Italy of course!
Enjoy tomorrow´s game!
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!