Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Aerolineas Argentinas New Charter Flight  
User currently offlineARG-777 From Argentina, joined Mar 2002, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS INAUGURATED Madrid-Puerto Vallarta route:

Aerolineas Argentinas inaugurated on Monday the Route from Madrid to Puerto Vallarta (Mexico), that will be covered for the first time in the history of the company in a weekly fight with Airbus 340/200 that will code share and have the technical and operative support of Airplus Comet in Spain.
This is the first time that a non European carrier has qualified for this type of operations that demands a high degree of competition as it is the case of Aerolineas Argentinas.

This new destination that will be covered every Monday during the European summer has been programmed by Viajes Marsans Spain who deals it in the local market and the inaugural flight left from from Barajas
Airport at 13:55 with 249 passengers that is with the airplane full.

The frequencies to Puerto Vallarta are part of the program that Aerolineas Argentinas has deployed for its development in Europe and is added to the operations that with base in Madrid will be inaugurated on Monday 16 of June with three weekly frequencies to London and Paris using MD-88.

In this way the flagship carrier tries to increase its income in its foreign operations which will allow the company to consolidate his position in the aerocomercial market which will contribute to keep its 7000 employees who currently work at the company.

Doubtlessly the operations in Europe will imply a substantial growth of transported passengers aspect in which the company already registers favorable figures: since the new management of the company 1,759,614 passengers taken in global form were transported and on last May they were 244,055 which represents 8,000 more occupied seats that on last April.
This number is equivalent to a 3.4 percent of increase of passengers in the flights on Aerolineas Argentinas despite the aerocomercial sector is in big difficult situation as a result of the economic reality that is facing the country.

Buenos Aires, 10/6/2002.

Source: www.aerolineas.com.ar


23 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

This could be a good move for Aerolineas as it brings foreign currency into the airline. I do wonder if a 3 times a week frequency to London and Paris will attract local passengers within Europe.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineArgento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Congratulation for Aerolineas Argentinas!!!
I want to see a new livery soon.I dont want to remember the last 10 years as an Iberias partner.
Regards from Bs As.


User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

there is going to be a new livery...

It can be seen at http://www.salvemosaerolineas.com.ar scroll to the bottom of the page and click in "Sera asi el nuevo diseño de AR?".

jj


User currently offlineAeroArgentina From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Can they make their MAD-CDG and LGW flights profitable?? They do have fifth freedom rights and their fares are low on those flights, but only three times a week???

About that livery, I think that was just drawn up by someone. I don't think they will actually use that one, it is nice though (not as nice as their old one  Smile I wish them luck.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9966 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

I saw this new livery on a website which designs new liveries for airlines. I really like this new livery if it will be introduced, especially the new tail logo looks great. I hope Aerolineas Argentinas will introduce this livery.

By the way, will Aerolineas Argentinas still be getting the A340-300 for their long-haul fleet renewal/expansion programme? I read somwhere that they changed their A340-600 order/lease to the smaller A340-300. Looking at their current financial status, are they still planning on taking these A340-300's?

Regards A388


User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

I don't think it's drawn up by someone. The new commercials from AR are featuring this logo, so I'll think it's the one.

jj


User currently offlineARG-777 From Argentina, joined Mar 2002, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

I think the order is still confirmed.

Domestic aircraft replacement:
Mr. Mata, the CEO mentioned in a article that the domestic fleet will be replaced with Airbus A320 and A321. Beginning at the end of this year.

International fleet upgrade:
In 2004 and 2005 it intends to incorporate six A340-600
They are negotiating with Airbus new conditions.

Regards,
Miguel.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

LGW-MAD Tuesday 18th June £73.50 on expedia.co.uk with Aerolineas Argentinas, bargain one way fare!

User currently offlineARG-777 From Argentina, joined Mar 2002, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

LGW-MAD Cheapest return Fare  Nuts

Departure Date: 18 Jun 02
Return Date: 25 Jun 02

Fare - 1 Adult (return) (including taxes)
on AR GBP 120.60
on UX GBP 133.60
on BA GBP 201.60

Source: www.opodo.co.uk



User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Flight arrives at LGW 10.00 from MAD doesn't depart until 17.45, is this to allow crew to rest?

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

This proposed new livery is nice but it sort of resembles the Grupo Taca livery so I doubt this will be the c/s adoped.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

I read once that Aerolineas Argentinas wanted to start service from EZE to Acapulco back in the late 90s. Mexicana used to fly an A320 between Acapulco and Cancun, which was mostly catered for the Argentinian tourist.


 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineAeroArgentina From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Definatley won't see that flight anytime soon, with the devalued peso all Argentines are staying home. AR used to fly 4 times a week to CUN but that won't be back either.

I can't wait to see their planes in any kind of new livery.


User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

I will call Aeromexico and Mexicana and ask them why they are sleepy on the European Market, because, sorry for people from Argentina but I really disagree that a southamerican carrier is flying European routes to Mexico. Where are the local companies??? AM Flying only to MEX from Europe, they think they are gonna do great money with alliances (yes, I know they work) but other carriers are taking advantage of great places like Pto. Vallarta.

David,


User currently offlineMX-757 From Mexico, joined Dec 1999, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

I think I'm going to Puerto Vallarta and check out the landing of that beautiful Argentinian bird!

I just live 2 hours from Puerto Vallarta.


User currently offlineCx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

David

Couldn't agree with you more. I thing the big shots over at AM and MX are more concerned about selling their airlines than making them profitable and seizing opportunities. But has it ever been any different?


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

AeroArgentina

Oh, I know, I was just mentioning the fact. I read somewhere that Mexicana's flight to Buenos Aires are still reporting decent load factor given the situation, so I assume now that its mostly Mexican tourist visiting Argentina.

David_MX

Its nobody's fault that Mexican airlines are always ignoring their market. So, why complain? They (Aerolineas/Marsans) are doing a favor to the Mexican economy by bringing people who will: pay airport taxes, stay at hotels, buy Mexican food, pay more taxes, shop for Mexican artwork, shop at the stores, and buy stuff from vendors on the street so that they can feed their families.

Nobody has ever thought about flying directly to Puerto Vallarta from Madrid. On the other hand, you have to understand that these flights are very low-yield and for that matter they require a large number of volume in order to make a buck out of them. In this case, the Marsans tour group markets and sells the tour packages, Aerolineas only flies the passengers there, and the ticket also includes the hotel stay. Aerolineas does not control the price of the ticket, and they'll only get a very small profit per seat, and only if there is a high percentage of seats sold will the airline make a decent return on their investment. That's the way the charter business works.

The Mexican airlines don't have a dedicated widebody fleet to support these kind of services. Besides, they really don't care and don't want to get involved dealing with this type of market. Hence the fact that they have basically ignored the Cancun market all together leaving the Charter European airlines to fly all the flights from Europe.

And remember that when the Mexican economy was suffering through the Tequila crisis, Argentineans were still visiting and supporting the tourist infrastructure bringing much needed money.

 Smile LatinPlane





User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

That livery does look like TACA's, and they should think in renewing the tail Condor...it is a bit out of date.


this one will never be out of date

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Joe Pries


go Lan!

Lan_Fanatic
Chile


User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

CX340, yeah that's the way they have been working... It hasn't been any different, that's why AM and MX should be sold A.S.A.P. because it appears they are becoming just regional airlines in a gobal world.

LatinPlane you are right I agree totally but our flag carriers would be concerned about that market they are leaving alone. I complain because I live in Mexico, and I worry about our Mexican airlines I feel I just got to tell the truth about it, non-Mexican carriers are doing profit of Mexican Places (no matter if big or small).

Here in Mexico economy is still having trouble. I don't mean with this post that Argentinian don't have the right to pass over their crisis, but since we still have problems would be better to have that needed money in our airlines besides cutting employment and opportunities for new pilots, engineers, and flight attendants, etc.

And here we are talking about European tourists not Argentinian. If they have EZE-CUN that's OK. But again, a South American Carrier having non-stop flights from Europe to Mexico, that is something I just can't leave as it is.

Unfortunately, is the awful truth.
David.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

I just have to say this
Que le paso Argentina yo le iva a ustedes en el Mundial y ya se eliminaron.
Ahora le voy a Mexico y 4espero que ganen.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Chepos  Laugh out loud


Don't kick them while they're down.


 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

I was just extremely surprised and shocked , being Argentina one of the favorites and usually one of the best teams in the world cup it's just schocking they didn't make it to the next "vuelta" or round .
I hope Mexico wins EL Mundial de Futbol, the next match for Mexico wont be easy it's against the Italians.
They are going to delete this or just say something like this dosen't belong here.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5226 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Hello Everyone,

AeroMexico and Mexicana not involing on European routes, because as it was mention above they are giving more importance to the sell of Cintra. When the time comes to compete between these two airlines, THEN AM and MX will start competing both of them getting routes, and giving the best service. And THEN start flying to more destinations including Europe with many more FREQS and Aircraft.. also we might see in next years Mexicana, AeroMexico, Iberia flying to Madrid, why not CDG too. Flying to LHR, from Mexico City and Cancún... just wait till both companies split.

Widebodies on Mexican airlines right now they´re not neccesary because they have given preference to Mexican, Us and Canadian market... also everyone knows orders from Cintra´s leaders is to let AeroMexico FOR NOW, let them fly to Europe... but I hope and imagine things WILL change when they sell by separate this two airlines, we will see AM and MX doing their work by THEIR OWN, without any order from others, right know just like CINTRA is doing. But trust me wide bodies... Mexican airlines discovering new skies, in new countries never flown before will come. Just remember MX is authorised for flying to LHR since the 70s... THEY DON´T DO THAT ROUTE... why.... just ask Cintra´s leaders... or years ago before Cintra´s creation was because they didn´t know the great demand that route was going to be on this years...

Iím with you DAVID, upset and too bad I´m nobody to make new things, try other markets.. introducing this kind of routes.... Mexico can be a very agressive market with many destinations such as SJD, CUN, PVR, CZM, MID, VSA, all the Mayan route... Carribean, all Baja California with many nice places to visit and to know....

But for now I??ll better think in other things..... like the WCup. Well tomorrow Italy is packing their baggage for going back home... while Mexico got an appointment with the history books...

France, Argentina, who´s next? Italy of course!

Enjoy tomorrow´s game!

ghost77  Smile  Big thumbs up



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Aerolineas Argentinas New Headquarters (with Pics) posted Wed Aug 31 2005 19:23:54 by SABE
Aerolineas Argentinas New Schedule For BOG And CCS posted Tue Dec 14 2004 20:05:19 by Argentina
Aerolineas Argentinas 737-3/500 Flight Simulator posted Tue Dec 14 2004 14:57:07 by Argentina
Aerolineas Argentinas New Routes posted Sun Jul 14 2002 14:16:48 by Capt.Picard
Anyone Seen Aerolineas Argentinas' New Colors? posted Wed Apr 17 2002 21:53:54 by LanPeru
Aerolineas Argentinas New Unforms posted Sat Feb 2 2002 04:54:26 by Latinplane
Aerolineas Argentinas Madrid Flight Changes posted Thu Sep 21 2006 22:27:42 by Treeny
Aerolineas Argentinas Flight Returns To Mad posted Sun Jan 15 2006 16:19:16 by Bullpitt
Charter Flight From Montana To New Hampshire Info? posted Sun Dec 5 2004 07:58:37 by USAFHummer
Aerolineas Argentinas: Probable S/N Of New Planes posted Fri Jun 25 2004 17:16:06 by Argentina