Aspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
i would think that an airline would want to do at least once weekly service to honolulu. United's lax-lhr flights are always filled with passengers continuing onto hawaii, these being paying customers......u would think it would be in the best interest of the airline..
the flight would only be about 12-13 hours.....the flight would take u over northern canada then down to hawaii....by passing the united states entirely
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1955 times:
Western Airlines operated this route I believe for a short period- it was not non stop, was operated with a DC10 (not sure which version) and had a stop in Anchorage, before continuing onto Honolulu... from what was said before on this site about it, they were loosing money on it and dropped it not too long after it started.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
Would there be enough pax to carry on a LHR-HNL nonstop?
I think quite a lot of HNL pax use to stop at SFO, LAX or at another US destination and after travelling around at mainland they just want to go for a few days to HNL...
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Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
As stated, it is probably not serviced due to low tourist yields. BA have no 744s configured as 2 class so it is hard to see them being able to sell all P & J seats. This would mean that they'd have to give these seats over to FF seats and therefore the route would be unprofitable.
Were NZ able to fill a 744 on the AKL-LHR route without stopping in LAX it could be possible that they could have their 744 stop in HNL instead of LAX but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1859 times:
First of all, not a lot of people from the UK go to Hawaii, the mediterrenean and Florida are tourist hot spots for families and leisure. Secondly, a LON-HNL flight would be something like 14-15 hours non-stop even if u take the most northern route possible, a heck of a long time.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
The service is not allowed under Bermuda II, at least so long as all other cities keep their service. If service was dropped to another US city, the route authority could be transfered to Hawaii. If openskies ever came, I know there might be some interest in this market. Perhaps LHR-HNL-SYD. I am told such a routing would save a little bit of time from LHR-SYD. However, I still would not bet the farm on this happening.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1754 times:
I was never aware of the restriction that 747firstclass mentioned. Nevertheless, it will be difficult, if not impossible to sell enough Business Class, worse still First Class, seats on the route. Also HNL is way beyond the pockets of the general UK charter market.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1695 times:
While this route would certainly look impressive on an airline route map, the simple answer is that there is not enough traffic to operate a flight between these 2 cities, and whatever traffic there is would be low-yeild tourist traffic for people going on vacations.
We discussed this issue here before, Hawaii, while beautiful, is very, very far from Europe and most people are not interested in flying so far and spending so much money on a beach holiday.....there are many beach destinations available from the UK that are within 2 or 3 hours flying and are offered at very cheap prices. Those pax that are interested in flying from London to Hawaii have an amazing amount of choice........via all of the US carriers and their hubs. UA does (did?) offer a one-stop flight via LAX (but with a change of aircraft).
Dont forget that most major US east coast cities do not have nonstop service to Hawaii either - nothing out of BOS, PHL, MIA, IAD, etc. Only in recent years has CO offered nonstop service from the NYC area, out of EWR, to HNL, and that is because of CO's hub. UA in the 1970s offered nonstop JFK-HNL service with its DC8-62s, operating 2, 3 or 4 days per week, and dropped the service during the fuel crisis of 1979, and it never returned. Why? Hawaii is far, and pax prefer Florida,the Bahamas and the Carib for their beach holidays.
WA did give the LGW-ANC-HNL route a try back in the 1980s with their DC-10-10s..........I think that the flight operated twice perweek with mostly empty seats.....it was gone in about 6 months time.