David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
Seems that MAN is getting enhanced capacity and frequency according to
"Last year, it carried 420,000 passengers from MAN. Sixty-eight per cent of its Manchester passengers transfer in Germany to Lufthansa flights across the globe, mainly to central and eastern Europe, Asia and South America.
Dieter Grotepass, the airline’s general manager for the UK and Ireland, said Lufthansa plans to increase the size of jet used on Munich flights from a 50-seater to a 70-seater from August.
The airline is looking to increase the jet size on its Stuttgart service and to add a second daily flight."
I wouldn't bet on BA starting any new routes out of MAN (except the VCE one in August) for the next 6 to 12 months; they'll want to get used to the RJ100s performance first before increasing capacity on any of the existing ERJ145 routes which would allow redeployment of the ERJ145 onto new routes.
When are LH going to introduce CGN & TXL routes to MAN?
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2124 times:
I didn't know that LHR-TXL on LH doesn't exist! Does this mean all flights to TXL from Britain are operated by BA only?
I'd like them to start that service because at the moment, MAN-Germany routes tend not to have competition:
MAN-DUS & MAN-FRA both BA & LH
MAN-HAJ, MAN-TXL only BA
MAN-HAM, MAN-STR, MAN-MUC only LH
I'm sure that the market would be able to sustain LH operating to TXL (perhaps operating in the morning because the BA flight is in the afternoon?). (Nb That sentence is subject to me double-checking the loads for BA once I am at home).
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
Could this have something to do with BMI's long-haul service out of Manchester.......remember both BMI and LH are Star partners and LH owns a piece of BMI.
Although BMI is determined to fly long-haul out of LHR, maybe with the help of LH (and UA), they can develop Manchester into a hub or focus city for the Star Alliance. BMI is already flying out of MAN to UA's hubs in ORD and IAD, and they have 2 A332s with nothing to do at the moment (they are parked). If LH had more flights to "smaller" German cities, and BD opened up new european and transatlantic routes out of MAN, they could have a large operation at MAN. I think that further development of MAN would be a good thing for all concerned, including all of the UK residents who are tired of having to transit London to go just about anywhere when flying with BA.
Whole of 2001
FRA 338310 +10.98% 64.85 58.76
DUS 156574 -01.83% 38.98 44.01
MUC 105080 +02.92% 51.46 50.61
HAM 042054 +04.02% 36.28 34.32
HAJ 022516 -04.56% 32.30 24.91
TXL 021103 +24.43% 30.54 27.94
STR 020860 +04.17% 31.85 29.54
Source: CAA monthly & annual statistics
LH 59.4% market share MAN-Germany
It would appear that some of the routes are performing "better" than the bland total number of passengers would indicate, and other routes are "worse". NB The average loads aren't a basis to calculate load factors.
EGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
Interesting that 2/3 of the traffic are interlining pax. Assuming that the proportions are similar by the feeds from MAN into LHR, AMS, CDG, LGW etc, then how many passengers does that represent in terms of interlining pax overall? If its significant, doesn't that suggest there will be a material substitution effect should the aspired growth in long-haul ever come to fruition? e.g as direct services are launched, will passengers simply transfer from MAN-FRA-XXX (or MAN-LHR-XXX or wherever) to choose the dierct MAN-XXX option instead.
The healthy state of the inter-lining market via Germany also bodes well for the prospect of bmir services between LBA-FRA/DUS which I understand are being evaluated as part of the deal struck between LBA and bmi.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
I would imagine that should any new long-haul service emerge, I would hope to see the transfer traffic utilise it and additional "new" traffic should also be generated. My other (flawed?) thesis would be that should this service be to the same region as an existing one, then both should attract the passengers e.g. the MH service did not impact on the SQ one (though it did appear to impact on the LHR-KUL service in the first few months!)
Fax From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
in answer to your last question....too bloody long!!
I honestly cannot believe LBA has no direct link to Germany. Leeds is a major financial centre and Bradford has historic and cultural links to Germany.
West Yorkshire as a whole has a very cosmopolitain population and surprising as it may sound there are many German nationals residing here, especially in the medical industry.
Added to that the German's and Austrian's(and decendants) who emigrated here pre and post war and you have a lot of traffic. My gran is German and I have relatives there and I visit 2 or 3 times a year; as well as Spain for the other side of the family...told you we are cosmpolitain in Yorkshire!!
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1857 times:
The MUC service had the bmi 146s and latterly the Augsburg DHC8-400s, only now do we have the CRJs; the average should come down as they appear to have increased frequency for the summer.
What I find pleasing is the increase in average loads in the FRA service despite the introduction of ERJ145s by BA; LH must have a large market share on this route due to the transiters, with BA picking up the O&D market.
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
An LBA-FRA service has been on the cards for a long time, just no-one ever got around to starting it, it was on the cards when I worked there, and that was 9 years ago. Also Bmi at one time were going to open up LBA-CPH, but never got around to that either, as their priorities changed with the launch of transatlantic services, but it seems now that they are up and running, attention has now turned back to the regional services again with the launch of the LBA-ORK and LBA-BRU services as well as an extra EDI flight.
Bmi has certainly opened up LBA in a big way in the last few years, albeit by taking over other carriers routes, but even so they now only have 2 less destinations directly than EMA !!!.
LBA still has a lot more potential, with such a large catchment area I'm suprised more low cost carriers (only FR to DUB) haven't started operations out of there.
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David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1800 times:
I don't think they do, but I haven't really checked. I wish the UK statistics had the number of passengers carried by each airline on a route - the best one can do is look at the punctuality statistics where the number of flights by each airline is recorded (plus you get to see which routes aren't individually reported)