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Bermuda II Synopsis  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10885 times:

Questions about the 1977 "Bermuda II" bilateral between the UK and the US arise on a regular basis, so I prepared this primer to address most of the relevant questions that might arise regarding this treaty. The specific details of Bermuda II are very complex, but I'll try and explain them in brief below.


a) Only two US and two UK airlines may operate to the US from LHR. Currently these are UA, AA, BA and VS.

b) ONLY the following cities may be served by US airlines from London : ANC, ATL, BOS, CLT, CHI, CVG, CLE, DFW, DTT, HOU, LAX, MIA, MSP, NYC(%), PHL, PIT(*), SFO(%), SEA, STL, WAS(%)

c) ONLY the following cities may be served by UK airlines from London : ATL, BOS, CLT, CHI, DFW, DEN, DTT, HOU, LAS(*), LAX, MIA, NYC(%), ORL, PHL, PHX, PIT, SAN, SFO(%), SEA, TPA, WAS(%)

d) ONLY the following cities may be served from Heathrow : ANC, BWI, BOS, CHI, DTT, LAX, MIA, MSP(@), NYC, PHL, SFO, SEA, WAS(%)

e) Some destinations are switchable with unused destinations. The other approved gateways without current service are FLL, HNL, MKC, PDX, MSY

f) No service to any cities mentioned in (e) may be introduced without dropping an existing route on either side.

g) Any US city may be served from any other UK airport (including STN) with no restrictions.

h) Each country may designate only TWO routes on which TWO of its carriers may compete. Every remaining route must have only one carrier from each side. However, if the number of passengers carried TOTALLY on the route (including traffic carried by fifth freedom carriers Air India, Air New Zealand and Kuwait Airways) exceeds 600,000 in two consecutive years, or if the number of passengers carried by any single airline exceeds 450,000 for two consecutive years, then each side may designate an additional airline to serve the route.

i) US carriers may operate fifth freedom services between LHR and BER, FRA, HAM and MUC only(&). UK carriers may not operate cabotage within the United States. Air India (#) and Kuwait Airways may operate fifth freedom service between LHR and NYC. Air New Zealand may operate fifth freedom service between LHR and LAX.

j) US and UK carriers operating indirect flights between the US and London may not offer fares lower than the lowest published fare offered by a carrier offering nonstop service in the same market.


* - LAS was approved as an additional service destination in an April 2000 modification to the agreement in exchange for PIT being approved as a US carrier gateway.

# - Air India was granted additional fifth freedom rights for LHR-ORD in 1998 and are currently seeking rights for LHR-LAX. Air India's fifth freedom awards predate the Bermuda 2 agreement and AI has been serving the LHR-JFK route continuously since 1962, making them the longest serving airline in the UK-US market with longer tenure than any carrier from either the UK or the US.

@ - Service on LHR-MSP may be operated by a US carrier only. UK carriers may not service MSP.

% - NYC includes JFK/EWR. WAS includes IAD/BWI. SFO includes SFO/OAK/SJC.

& - UA's fifth freedom service LHR-DEL on their RTW flight was extra-bilateral in nature and subject to additional restrictions on traffic. UA was not permitted to provide for fifth freedom sale capacity in excess of 38% of that offered by BA/AI on the LHR-DEL route. The service by VS on the LHR-DEL route is done utilizing unused AI frequencies as an Indian carrier and hence counts towards the Indian figures rather than the British figures.

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10400 times:
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Quite complex indeed. The question is, when are the men in suits gonna sit down and attempt to reach a deal. This B2 agreement is ridiculous IMO.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

RDU is missing in the lists. AA flies LGW-RDU.

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10376 times:

This is agreement is, as usual, crazed.

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

Great summary, especially in light of Blair's comments today that the UK is trying to 'kick start' the open skies negotiations w/ the US, http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/020612/airlines_openskies_blair_1.html. I'm very curious what the 'terms' are that he refers to. As has been stated on this forum before, the view from the US side is nothing is going to happen until there is significant new access opportunities at LHR.

Duane



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User currently offlineFoghorn From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

The US ban on wet leasing-in and the US Government's Fly American policy are sticking points on the UK side.

User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Thank you very much for your synopsis. One interesting thing I noticed is that SJC may be served from LHR as it is considered part of SFO but AA always claimed that it could not fly SJC-LHR because of BII. Then again, if BA can fly BWI-LHR by claiming that BWI is DC, I see no reason why AA shouldn't be able to fly SJC-LHR by claiming that SJC is SFO.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

One interesting thing I noticed is that SJC may be served from LHR as it is considered part of SFO but AA always claimed that it could not fly SJC-LHR because of BII. Then again, if BA can fly BWI-LHR by claiming that BWI is DC, I see no reason why AA shouldn't be able to fly SJC-LHR by claiming that SJC is SFO.

SJC is considered part of SFO for the purpose of serving as a US or UK gateway city. It is not considered part of SFO for the purpose of LHR access. See (d) and (%) above.


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10281 times:

B747-437B Thanks for this info. Bilaterals are one of my interests - (particularly Canadian bilaterals). For info purposes, its great to see the Bermuda II bilateral expressed so concisely. Thanks again.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

RDU is not listed because it can be serviced from any airline on both sides into LGW.

Read it carefully.. only LHR has restrictions on flights into it based on capacity.... LGW and STN are pretty much a free-for-all dependent on B2.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

UA have made it clear that they won't fly DEN-LGW as they would only have 1 flight at LGW etc.etc.AA have 2XDFW I think,1 to STL and 1 to RDU from LGW.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10240 times:
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You'll only see UA flying DEN-LON if B2 is scrapped, you are then most likely to see DEN-LHR.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

SJC is considered part of SFO for the purpose of serving as a US or UK gateway city. It is not considered part of SFO for the purpose of LHR access. See (d) and (%) above.

Ahh! thanks for clarifying that for me.



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