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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

IMO this indicates there could be life in US Airways, NWA is a conservative no nonsense carrier.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/2901077.html

What do you think ? Siegel & Anderson round the table, Bethune on the phone.

Sounds interesting ...



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4483 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Regardless of what people say on the hub overlap, a NWA and CO hookup would work very well. Now on the extent of code-sharing is yet to be seen. Likely you are going to see U's code on everything going over the pacific and then hook up with KLM for some transatlantic. U's profitable atlantic and caribbean service will likely grow with added traffic from NW & CO. Now domestic is a whole new animal...NW & CO have a very extensive domestic code-share in place, if they will fly here...who knows.


Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

If Northwest, the fourth-largest airline, forges an agreement with US Airways, the struggling airline would gain access to Northwest hubs in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Detroit and Memphis and passenger markets across the Midwest. Northwest would link with US Airways hubs in Charlotte, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

I know that (if you forget CLE) the NWA and Co match pretty good. How do the US hubs fit in ? Would the DOT object ?



User currently offlineSWALUVFA From United States of America, joined May 2002, 277 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

I can TOTALLY see Northwest and USAirways merging or linking somehow in the future. Ok I am not saying that they are going to but I am just saying that the chemistry is there! The two airline's aircraft are VERY compatable and would merge very nicley. Because of Northwest's continued interest in the A330, a merge would be perfect to gain USAirways' A330s. The other aircrat that are perfectly campatible: 757-200, A320, A319, so the only US planes that would not be that compatible with the NWA fleet would be the 767-200 and the 737s. Another thing that makes the merger possible is the Shuttle. NWA lacks that east coast shuttle and if they could get US's shuttle then they would have a wonderful asset. So these are just a few reasons why I see the merger a possibility. Again, i am not saying that I think that they ARE GOING TO MERGE!  Smile I am just saying that the backing and reasons are there.

User currently offlineYoungDon From United States of America, joined May 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Well I suppose that NWA and US could merge, but somehow I doubt it. I don't know if the DOT would like a company with such a strong East Coast presence, and I don't know if CO would like NW horning in on its EWR and CLE ops like that. Having NW in PIT and CO and CLE could create some very hard feelings. The aircraft do match fairly well though, even though the US 757's are RR and the NW 757's are P&W. And then there is the issue of the 737's...
Does anyone know which engines NW is getting on their A330's?


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

US Airways and Northwest seperately are two lousy airlines that lose varying amounts of money (but at least NW, with its 35 year-old D9s and 30 year-old D10s can reap big bucks from the poor schmucks in DTW and MSP). Combined, these two losers would be one very big lousy airline that would lose even more money than they already have. CO should drop NW like a bad habit. For that matter, let US Airways die off. It is amazing that such a poorly run airline has survived as long as it has.


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Before anyone gets too excited about this, neither US or NW have given any indication they are in talks, this all comes from outside equities analysts:

If an agreement emerges, it would likely be a code-sharing arrangement "as opposed to an outright merger," said Michael Friedman, an equities analyst at American Express. Friedman said a deal between Northwest and US Airways was discussed in recent days by airline analysts. (from the StarTribune story)



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User currently offlineFlight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Stretch 8, I completely disagree. NWs "35 year-old DC-9s" are VERY good for them. They have many of them and they can use them on routes from hubs to small cities that cannot generate the traffic to fill A319s and A320s. First of all, CO joined with NW in the middle 1990s to escape the grasps of DL. Since then, Continental has seen an incredible rise in passenger traffic and earnings. It has also been of benefit for NW. Personally, I do not see CO and NW breaking up. US Airways WILL NOT die off. You say that it is amazing that it has survived so long. Yes, it is very amazing! How about you take a step back and put yourself in as the CEO of US Airways. All of the sudden BOOM! 9/11 hits, the airline industry is in shambles, and it is your job to save US Airways, something that was not easy before 9/11. So, you lose hundreds of millions of dollars, cut some aircraft from the fleet, have some layovers, request a government loan, and now you have the funding and the basis to start your company over again, fresh. Will hard work and good planning, I know that David can bring the company out of its poor state and bring US Airways to incredible glory. I have no doubt about it. Oh and by the way, on the original topic, NW and US will NEVER merge or link like CO and NW did. If anything, at the maximum, they will start some program where US passengers can get miles for flying NW. I doubt to see anything like that, if anything come out of this.

User currently offlineCO/ba From United States of America, joined May 2001, 399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

From what I have heard CO and US are ready to start codesharing so NW would likely reach an agreement as well. I think any codesharing agreements with US would benefit NW and CO more than it would benefit US.

User currently offlineAmericanKing From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Flight Level, I agree with you. Stretch the reason why they still have those 30-35 year old airplanes is that they are all paid off and are less to opperate! That is why Southwest has also not selling off all of their 732's but not taking delivery of 737NG; the reason being, it is cheap and a little more cost effective to operate something that is paid off of , than to operate a newer aircraft and to also have to pay it off at the same time. I can understand what you are saying and I am not upset at you, yes they do need an update, but why get rid of it when it works perfectly fine!?

Now to this topic, I can see NW and US doing probably as much as some Codesharing or a flyer agreement. NW & CO's partner ship along with KLM is very strong for a 'Smaller" Alliance. I would rather fly NWA,CO,US, and KLM any day that I would be flying.

"If I have seen farther than others it is that, I was Standing On The Shoulder of Giants."

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User currently offlineRhino4ever From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 146 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Not only are the DC-9's paid for, they have the highest reliability in the fleet. Why pay $$$ for something new that isn't any better. For all the short runways and lousy wx they fly them into it is a great machine and choice to upgrade them. I've flown on almost new airplanes that looked awful and aren't maintained. The feeling that something is wrong with 20+ year old airplanes still puzzles me. Just consider the source of the comment. I'll take a DC-9 and a NWA crew anytime and anywhere above anyone else.

User currently offlineFlight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

People always think that aircraft that were built in the 1960s and 1970s are not sturdy and can fall apart any minute. This is completely false. Those are the strongest airplanes. They were put together with metals that are no longer in use today. Now, the manufacturers use exotic glues and stuff to put together pieces on airplanes. However, back in the day, they welded stuff and used very heavy metal. Those DC-9s could stay around for 20 more years IMO.

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Yes, NW keeps their DC-9's pretty well maintained. There are some crappy DC-9s (diesel 9...lol) running around at other companies, but NW's are pretty nice.


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User currently offlineA330_DTW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Old does not mean poor condition. Why, I just love my all-original '55 T-Bird. I feel perfectly safe driving it and its in mint condition!

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

If NW were to link with US Airways they should make some kind of aircraft trade with American by giving them the RR RB211 powered US Airways 757-200s for the ex-TWA PW2000 powered 757s. Also trade the US Airways GE CF6 powered 767-200ERs to American for the PW4000 powered ex-TWA 767-300ER examples.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

If NW DC-9s are so crappy, lets just name the last time NW had a fatal crash due to mechanical failure???

Hmmm... none

Who else besides Southwest can claim that their aircraft have been reliable the past 20 years without a fatality due to mechanical problems?

AA can't- as of right now the A300 crash in New York appears to be due to rudder

United can't with the Sioux City DC-10 crash or that Colorado Springs 733 crash

USAirways can't with the 737 crash in PIT.


User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1709 times:


Now that I think about it, NWA would be the perfect airline to buy Us Airways. Their fleets are very similar, and Northwest can start some North-South routes using Us Airways' hubs.

-GD727



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