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User currently offlineCactuscmh From United States of America, joined May 2001, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24113 times:

I would like to know if Cathay has any crash or serious accident in its entire history. I am 27 years old and I have never heard of any crash or serious accident happening to Cathay, but it doesn't mean there was none. Can Cathay be considered the safest airline in the world besides Qantas?

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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24091 times:

They lost a total of 5 planes post 1945, 2 of them jets, the last in 1972:

http://aviation-safety.net/cgi-bin/db2search.cgi?writeoff+search+retrieve+&&1-30&Operatorcode=CPA%%%%dm=Line+cs=No+em=Yes+ob=Key+dfd=No

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineFlight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24094 times:

Date of Accident: 23 July 1954
Airline: Cathay Pacific Airways
Aircraft: Douglas DC-4
Location: Hainan, China
Registration: VR-HEU
Previous Registrations: ---
Flight Number: ---
Fatalities: 10:18
MSN: 10310
Line Number: ---
Engine Manufacturer: ---
Engine Model: ---
Year of Delivery: 1944
Accident Description: The aircraft crashed into the sea after being shot down by Chinese Military aircraft.

Date of Accident: 15 June 1972
Airline: Cathay Pacific Airways
Aircraft: Convair CV-880
Location: Pleiku, Vietnam
Registration: VR-HFZ
Previous Registrations: ---
Flight Number: 700
Fatalities: 81:81
MSN: 53
Line Number: ---
Engine Manufacturer: ---
Engine Model: ---
Year of Delivery: ---
Accident Description: The aircraft crashed while flying from Singapore Changi Airport to Hong Kong after the in-flight detonation of a bomb. The suspect was found not guilty due to lack of sufficient evidence.

Qantas has had two incidents, but no deaths. El Al is the most modern safest airline. They have not had a crash or incident of any type since the 1950s.




User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24082 times:

An El Al 747 freighter crashed in Amsterdam, so they had a fatal crash.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24077 times:

Flight Level, what the hell are you talking about? A Connie shot down over Bulgaria and a 747 flattening an apartment complex in Amsterdam leaving a cancer cluster that is still claiming victims to this day does not "the most modern safest airline" make. Not even close.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24072 times:

Qantas´ two losses:

http://aviation-safety.net/cgi-bin/db2search.cgi?writeoff+search+retrieve+&&1-30&Operatorcode=QFA%%%%dm=Line+cs=No+em=Yes+ob=Key+dfd=No

El Al´s five losses:

http://aviation-safety.net/cgi-bin/db2search.cgi?writeoff+search+retrieve+&&1-30&Operatorcode=ELY%%%%dm=Line+cs=No+em=Yes+ob=Key+dfd=No

The thing is, all these are quite small airlines. WN, in contrast has hundreds of planes but lost only one 737 in their history:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/2000/000305-0.htm

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineFlight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24069 times:

Cedarjet, ok, you have a point. Are they the airline with the most security then?

User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24021 times:

I would think considering the number of planes,take-offs and landing,s that Southwest would be one of the safest if not the safest!

User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23982 times:

More info:
A CX plane from Hong Kong to Macau crahsed in 1949 due to hijacking.


User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23962 times:

Actually the Hijacked Catalina crashed in 16th July 1948, not 1949.

Cathay had written off a total of 7 aircraft: 1 Pby-5A Catalina, 1 Avro Anson, 2 DC-3s, 1 DC-4, 2 CV-880.

The Avro Ansons were seldom mentioned because they were not operated in Hong Kong but in Burma.

CX bought 2 Avro Ansons to operate air service for the newly formed Burmese Government from 1948-1950. One Avro Anson undershot a runway and was written off. Apart from that, one DC-3 was also lost in Burma.

The other crashes include:
- a DC-3 that crashed into a hill in HK in heavy fog (1949)
- a catalina that crashed because the hijacker killed the pilot and the pilot's dead body fell onto the controls buttons which caused the aircraft to nose dive into the sea (how smart the hijackers !)
- A DC-4 that was shot down by the Communist Air Force because the fighter pilots couldn't read the english words "Cathay Pacific Airways" and thought the plane was from Taiwan. (1954)
- A CV-880 that fell into the sea at Kai Tak during Take-off. One was killed. (1967)
- A CV-880 that exploded inflight over Vietnam in 1972. A Thai police made a bomb for his mistress to go on that flight because he wanted to get the insurance money. Of course the poor lady didn't know the bag that her Man gave her was a bomb.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 23951 times:


I wouldn't list a shootdown or a bomb as "accidents", as the airline can't do very much if their planes are shot down.

Anyway, it's fair to say that Cathay is a world-class airline and you can trust your habitus to their care without worries.


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 23942 times:

We recently had an independant group do a safety overview of our operations. This group had done many airlines around the world. It was called LOSA, and no doubt some of you here are familiar with it. Overall, they concluded that Cathay has one of the safest operations of all the airlines they examined.

User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 23939 times:

I've read around safety records investigation recently and to my surprise CX is actually listed 22 in the 30 airlines that were under investigations. Of course not all airlines in the world will take part of the investigations or so, and they might have different results. However for the past years CX have been a safe airline without any major accidents. So there's no doubt about their safety record.

Best Regards


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23884 times:

There was a study a couple of years ago, that studied a number of airlines crash history over X amount of years. It just so happened that the Convair that Cathay lost due to the bomb fell in this timeframe. It immediately dropped Cathay's listing to near the bottom, making it appear to be a dangerous airline. Of course, nothing could be furhter from the truth, and Cathay protested loudly about this to the people who made the study.

I would have no problems flying with Cathay!! Big grin


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12324 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23858 times:

I should hope not, CX Flyboy; God help the rest of us if you had problems flying CX!

Joking apart, CX is certainly among the safest airlines. Other small carriers like EI and AY are very safe too, neither of them having lost a jet aircraft after 40 years of operations. Another very safe airline is Braathens which, although now part of SAS, has been flying for many, many years up and down the extremely inhospitable coast of Norway, in all conditions.

These surveys among airlines and comparing numbers are rarely very accurate. Smaller airlines tend to come off worse and for a while, Royal Jordanian, which has a fine safety record, was rated worst, because of two fatal jet accidents (a 707 in Morocco and a 727 in Qatar). I take them with a pinch of salt.


User currently offlineYago From Iceland, joined May 2002, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23850 times:

It is true that a smaller airline can get better result but you have to take a lot of things into consideration like for example that HongKong is not of the easiest places to land so it makes Cathay very secure.

And I agree you cannot blame Cathay for getting shot down or having hijackers on board.

Yago


User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 23804 times:

Date of Accident: 15 June 1972
Airline: Cathay Pacific Airways
Aircraft: Convair CV-880
Location: Pleiku, Vietnam
Registration: VR-HFZ
Previous Registrations: ---
Flight Number: 700
Fatalities: 81:81
MSN: 53
Line Number: ---
Engine Manufacturer: ---
Engine Model: ---
Year of Delivery: ---
Accident Description: The aircraft crashed while flying from Singapore Changi Airport to Hong Kong after the in-flight detonation of a bomb. The suspect was found not guilty due to lack of sufficient evidence.


Someone sure has foresight, Changi Airport wasn't even bulit in 1972.........perhaps it was going to land at Chek Lap Kok ???  Big grin

J777



User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23790 times:

That ill-fated flight (CX700) was going BKK-HKG. Incidentally, that flight number is still in use, being the first flight out of BKK to HKG every morning.

'949


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