FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4949 posts, RR: 52 Posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2064 times:
At YUL yesterday, a Northwest operations auditor visited the station, and gave us news from management in Minneapolis. It was revealed that Northwest is currently studying the possibility of opening regional jet links to Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa and Winnipeg to Memphis.
My station manager believes that by next summer, Montreal and Toronto should have links to Memphis, on a regional basis. I see this as an excellent oppurtunity for NW and for MEM, since it takes a relatively low load to break-even on this CRJ's..
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1917 times:
Makes sense, NW wants to get back to growing its Memphis hub and Montreal and Toronto are logical new cities, especially if they can be served with very effecient Regional Jets. Flying pax from Montreal and Toronto via Memphis and on to cities in the Southeast should work - DL does it with success via ATL, the only issue is that MEM is a little out of the way for connections on to Florida.
Is the NW MEM-Vancouver flight seasonal?
As stated above, AA flew from Toronto to Nashville, I think 3 times per day with 72S and MD80 aircraft.......dont know if those flights were successful but AA quickly closed the Nashville hub while NW is very committed to Memphis.
Mcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1913 times:
It's interesting they're studying beefing up links from Memphis, considering that their MSP and DTW hubs are much closer to Canada, and Memphis has fewer commercial ties to Canada than the other two cities.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3641 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
MEM is a great connecting point to anywhere in the south, midsouth, southeast and florida. Not to mention this eliminates the double connecting hassle. There doesn't have to be tons of business ties between Canada and MEM, but there is a lot of traffic moved though MEM by NW and its partners. It'll be exciting to see the MEM growing again! MEM-YVR was seasonal service last summer and is back for this summer as well. I wouldn't be surprised that this stuff starts with a CRJ (based on current games being played between NW and its airlink partners) but it could be something bigger.
Noise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1671 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
Passengers from the north necessarily only fly to Florida, but a lot of them fly to Mexico or other Southern/Caribbean destinations, therefore making MEM an ideal place for connections. Flights to YUL and YYZ will do well, but YWG and YOW are maybes. Flights to YOW and YWG will probably only happen in the long term.
Favre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
The cargo numbers are fed-ex hub numbers--not exactly a cargo rich area...The numbers on Memphis are really a sham..Very little freight is locally generated....verses say hong kong..But yes pinnacle will start a direct flight to yul..yyz is also in the loop but not yet decided...also look for some more caribbean flying this fall....
Skihigh2002 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
They were really close to giving us here at MEM a LGW flight pre-9/11 but those plans were scrapped pretty quick. Also, when the KLM/Alitalia talks were going on last summer there was some MEM-Rome talks but when those negotiations fell apart those plans were scrapped as well.
Ywg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1772 times:
I can see it working well for YWG as it is 1 of NWA's big fortresses in Canada. We come 3rd for having the most NW flights. I can see it working in a CRJ I just hope the range is there. Its worth the shot though. Keep me informed. YYZ-MEM/YUL-MEM should work though.
Mcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
I agree with FLYYUL that if Northwest starts new Canada services from Memphis, it will definitely be to Toronto, possibly Montreal. There isn't much high-yield traffic between western Canada and the U.S. south, with the exception of the Alberta-Texas oil routes.
The high-yield traffic is important because of the higher seat-mile costs on an RJ.
Noise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1671 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
Flights to YYZ and YUL will be especially successful because of the large number Canadians flying to the south every winter and spring. Plus, Montreal and Toronto do not have flights to smaller southern US marktes, so MEM would be an ideal connecting point.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16121 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
YUL does not have a shortage of flights to southern US markets. Any shortage would be filled by a US or Canadian carrier. The current YUL flights to southern US markets are what the (relatively small) YUL market commands.
AC flies YYZ-BNA. This is a non-hub service at the BNA end of course.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Mcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1648 times:
There is no such thing as 'deserve' in airline economics, especially in this age of open skies. Any airport that wants new service has to be prepared to show that it has earned it.
The best bet for any city wishing for more nonstop routes and more airlines is to create a favourable climate for wealth creation -- or at the very least, to scrap policies that penalize people for succeeding.
C-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 39 Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
Yes Noise, and people often sometimes forget that airlines are businesses. They don't have conspiracies to underserve cities. If market figures dictate a route should be flown nonstop, then you will see that route opened up. You guys have to stop complaining about how YUL is so underserved and AC doesn't like flying from YUL blah blah. If there was some sort of conspiracy against YUL, well then you wouldn't have the non stop links to Europe that you have. Your city is adequately served. So what if you don't like having to connect through larger hubs, airlines don't like flying aircraft that are a quarter full. You guys just really haven't grasped the business supply and demand concept of airlines. If there is a demand for a route, it WILL BE FLOWN, simple as that. You guys never produce ANY figures showing how many pax fly from YUL to any cities you feel you need a flight to, you guys just figure that since YYZ gets those flights, YUL should as well. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Think before you type!
25 Noise: Jeremy, I know that, and I understand everything that you said, but we find it a bit.....suspicious when an airline drops a route from YUL, which was
26 Marco: Noise, AC operates a hub and spoke system, that's what people are trying to tell you. A route may as well be profitable out of YUL but AC would rather
27 Lymanm: "We had the stats the see if the flights were doing well or not, if we didn't have the stats, we wouldn't be complaining. You can get the stats yourse
28 Yow: YOW-MEM would be surprising to see, given that we still don't have YOW-MSP yet, although I have heard rumours on here about that happening soon. NW lo
29 Noise: Marco, yep know AC operated the hub and spoke system, the thing is that AC considers YUL a hub too, but doesn't treat YUL like one, that's what gets u
30 Lymanm: Noise, in fact, I DID see this coming. All you're doing is directing me to a third party reservation system. trip.com, expedia.com, travelocity.com...
31 Yyz717: Noise, how can you determine when a route from YUL is 'doing well'? Do you have access to the load factors, yields, scheduling costs, depreciation? As
32 FLYYUL: Neil, ' There is no sarcasm intended, didnt I previously tell you that you know everything, and that your word, is as good as anybody else's? Now does
33 Marco: Load factors do not determine profitability. Yields, cargo, large contracts and other factors count as well. If a route is not profitable, then any No
34 Noise: Guys, can't we all just agree to disagree, and continue to discuss about a potential NW MEM-Canada route?
35 Lymanm: I am in denial???? hahahaha, FLYYUL, you are the definition of someone in denial! And i'm not talking about the river in Egypt... The ONLY, repeat, ON
36 FLYYUL: Lynamn what you know, is a fraction of what I know about whats going on in Montreal's situation.... you are an observer, and have no back-up to even t
37 Lymanm: The very fact that you float these ludicrous AC conspiracy theories tells me all I need to know. I *really* hope you're just trying to get a reaction
38 Noise: Why are we arguing? We do this all the time! Can't we all just agree to disagree and stop this stuff? I hate it, it's ruining the forum. This was a ve
39 Westjet_8: Calgary could use a flight to Memphis, I mean we don't have any eastern seabord links at all.
40 Noise: I think before Calgary gets a route to Memphis, they should try to get flights to NYC, but then again, Calgary does pretty well with flights to the mi
41 FLYYUL: Never did I accuse of a conspiracy, so obviously your over-reacting... once again.. Mark
42 C-GRYK: Cut the crap boys, it's a worthless argument. Jeremy
43 Rai: Actually, AC did have a flight from YYC-EWR about ten years ago. The flight was dropped due to low yields. HOWEVER, due to the success of the YVR-JFK
44 FLYYUL: Anyway I think Memphis would be a solid addition for NW in Montreal and Toronto.. Mark
45 Yyz717: Yes, Mark.....you did have conspiracy theories about AC.....I can dig them out if you like......the same threads where you called me a racist I recall
46 Noise: Neil, you'll be surprised what can work here. I was skeptical about YUL-CLT, but in the end it was great, but the flight was cancelled because they we
47 FLYYUL: Yes Neil, The market is way too small, once again your right. Forget that Memphis is a HUB and the flights will be operated by CRJ's. Also forget that
48 Noise: That was a very nice post by Doug, and thanks Mark for posting it on Airliners.net. Neil, Slawko, Jeremy, and the rest. Montreal will never be like To
49 Yow: A simple example is what Mark D said, why can't some flights stop off in YUL on the way to Europe? For the same reason why YYZ-Europe flights won't st
50 Yyz717: Several reasons. 1. Competition. Why would AC stop in YUL on say YYZ-AMS when KLM flies YYZ-AMS nonstop? 2. Market size. YYZ is largest enough to ensu
51 FLYYUL: My point.. Montreal is a large market that can sustain more flights that it can presently, and its passenger numbers would be greatly inflated if ther
52 Yyz717: Mark, your points can apply to ANY city. If YUL could sustain more flights, it would. I don't see the airlines lining up to add service to YUL. Jetsgo
53 FLYYUL: And Neil you take it to the extreme.. JetsGo chose Toronto because it is pretty much pressured to so by media forces, and media. Neil, shall we go ove
54 Mcdougald: "JetsGo chose Toronto because it is pretty much pressured to so by media forces, and media." The same media that recently reported on remarks by an in
55 Marco: JetsGo chose Toronto because it is pretty much pressured to so by media forces, and media. That's a new one! Are you for real? Airlines are out there
56 Yyz717: JetsGo chose Toronto because it is pretty much pressured to so by media forces, and media. ---Yeah Mark, prove this statement would ya? So what you're
57 FLYYUL: Definitely, but do you believe a Montreal based JetsGo would have the same potential in the English media, as a YYZ based jetsGo. The truth is pretty
58 Yyz717: Is that the way you debate Mark? By insulting people? Very nice. Once again, please substantiate your claims. 1. The YYZ-centric media 'caused' Jetsgo
59 Noise: Um, Neil I don't think Mark was insulting you. Are you insulted because he said you are arrogant? Because that ain't much, and I don't think it should
60 FLYYUL: 1.) What proof? Be objective, you make your own proof! Be honest, envisage the scenario with Montreal being the no.1 JetsGo place. 2.) AC's yields per
61 FLYYUL: Neil, Usually in a debate, you must consider the points are rebutt them. Unfortunately any of the valid points I bring, you have not even rebutted. Ar
62 YHU: The only way to could state YYZ is overserved is if you look at the idea that as a hub, it is serving more than the city of Toronto. Yes, there are mo
63 Yow: The only way to could state YYZ is overserved is if you look at the idea that as a hub, it is serving more than the city of Toronto. Yes, there are mo
64 FLYYUL: With the media obsession in Toronto, the attitude that Toronto is pretty much Canada, and the fact that each Torontonian business person would not acc
65 Yyz717: Mark, your comments are nonsensical. Toronto & its burbs contribute far more into the national coffers than we draw out. That's why ON is a 'have' pro
66 FLYYUL: The reason why the PQ is there because of the electoral map in which the Canadian system employed from the start. FOr the last decade, the majority vo
67 FLYYUL: Neil, Quebec has elected governments that have suited the 'insecurity' in French Canada whichg we cant argue. But the electoral map has allowed Quebec
68 Yyz717: Then why is Quebec a have-not province? Why is Ontario a 'have' province? Why does YYZ generate 3x the air traffic of YUL if our PCI is no higher? Why
69 Mcdougald: FLYYUL wrote: "...and with the help of a smart economically oriented government..." Those are very few and very far between in any part of Canada or t
70 Caribb: You know, this was an interesting MEM discussion until it was turned into another boring tiresome YYZ vs YUL thread. Can't you folks hold a truce for
71 Noise: Just as a quick note, the Financial Post 500 (leading 500 companies in Canada) was released a few weeks ago, and the figures are quite interesting wit
72 Rai: I’ve absolutely enjoyed this thread, so I thought I’d like to join in! My dad was born and raised in Montreal, I grew up in Alberta and lived in T
73 Noise: Rai that was a very good and factual post. Very nicely said. The language laws+fear of seperation is the only thing stoping Montreal from booming like
74 Yyz717: It's a bad assumption that YYZ has gained because of YUL's demise due to the PQ. While some HQ's and English Quebecers migrated to YYZ, overall YYZ an
75 Ywg777: Well When do we expect to hear a annoucement on this. Doesn't look like YOW is going to get it. Probably Winnipeg,Montreal,Toronto would. not alot of
76 Marco: It's very simple. Toronto is a richer city, therefore LOGICALLY YYZ has more flights. YYZ also happens to be the hub of various airlines, so that make
77 Noise: Do you really think the ADQ will change things, Neil? I personally, along with most if not all Anglo Quebecers, prefer the Liberals. Language laws pro