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Qantas Round-The-World And New York Route History  
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7931 posts, RR: 54
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Noticed in the 'First Flights To NY By Foreign Airlines' thread that Qantas first appeared in NY in the 50s with Constellations, and with 747 Classics in 1973. Here is my understanding of QF's round-the-world routings, but hoping some of you know more, especially re the 747.

Don't know how the Connies (or 747s) made their way to JFK, but in Qantas' 707 heyday, there were three different RTW routes. The main one converged on NY from two different directions, one flight crossed the Pacific via Auckland, S Pacific, Hawaii, LA (&/or SF), then a US transcon to JFK. The other route was via Darwin, SE Asia, India, M East, across Europe (with, depending on the day, stops at Belgrade, Geneva and others long gone from the QF route map), Frankfurt, Heathrow then across the Atlantic to JFK. There was a third route across Central America to Heathrow, which took in Acapulco, Mexico City, Nassau and Bermuda (honestly).

Hope that's interesting (and if there's any subject that's going to bring J Travolta out of the woodwork, it's this), wondering if anyone has any further details about QF's RTW routings, and the JFK operation.


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User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2756 times:

Interesting information. Does QF still fly to JFK? Also, I knew that they had did done this, but why did they fly to Belgrade?

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2747 times:

Qantas flies three days a week to JFK. QF 108 JFK-LAX-SYD.

QF flew to Belgrade because there is a large Yugoslav population in Australia.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Belgrade was a stopover city, QF would not have flown there otherwise.

User currently offlineEC-121K From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

QANTAS' RTW service began on 14th January 1958, using L1049Gs. The Super Constellations flew to JFK from Sydney, via Fiji, Honolulu and San Francisco. By this time the wing tip tanks had been installed on the L1049s, and Canton Island was no longer used as a refuelling stop as in previous years. This had taken place between Nandi and Honolulu on the Pacific service.
The RTW services were initially two a week, one from Melbourne and one from Sydney. Two other flights connected with BOAC in San Francisco, so with partner airlines, this amounted to four flights a week.
QANTAS' B707 RTW services began on 27th October 1959.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

I'm guessing Qantas never had a RTW flight, if by that we mean a flight that flew all the way around the world without stopping more than a couple hours at a time. They flew Australia-London westbound, and Australia-London eastbound, but never all the way around-- right?

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7931 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

The aircraft probably did go all the way around. Timz, you're splitting hairs. If the flight number changed somewhere, or the aircraft changed, it's a fairly small difference. I think it's fair to say Qantas had a round the world service (ditto BOAC...imagine flying on a BOAC VC10 from Honolulu to Sydney?!).


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Qantas had round the world service-- but by my definition they never (AFAIK) had a RTW service. Can anyone find a timetable with an all-the-way-round Qantas flight?

User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 821 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

ZK-NBT

Belgrade wasn't just a stopover city for QF, until they pulled out in the late 80's I think, it was in fact a destination/terminator flight

Regards
Jase


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Belgrade was indeed a destination in its own right, and was very popular, but like Athens, Amsterdam and Manchester was dropped in the late 80's due to low yield (no business traffic, all VFR - visiting friends & relatives)

Cheers  Big grin


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2494 times:
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Britair, your airline has caused many a foreign airline to "tactically" withdraw MAN services as your airline prefers carting passengers (especially the premium payers) down to LHR. Care to remember the QF service here...what was it, tell QF to park the 747 at LHR all day, BA would fly the pax down on a "dedicated" feeder flight, and then withdrew the service as it was taking traffic away from the shuttle service. Yes, BA - London's favourite airline.

Incidentally, QF's lounge at MAN was voted their best in the world in 1994 by the very businessmen/frequent flyers that allegedly never came here.

David


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

The 10/55 OAG shows stops at Canton only on eastward flights. Do the winds blow out of the NE down there?

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2456 times:
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I was on QF 108 ( a year ago on 6/25), coming into JFK. What/to where does it leave JFK for?

PS That 727 shot got cut off at the end. Bummer.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

QF108 operates SYD-LAX-JFK-LAX-SYD!!

Strange I would never of thought that QF would of had a terminator service to Belgrade, oh well I just found out something I didn't no!


User currently offlineV Jet From Australia, joined May 1999, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

QF107 ops SYDLAXJFK
QF108 ops JFKLAXSYD


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

I am pretty certain that Qantas did have a RTW flight. Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact routing. All I know is it went through Mexico City. In fact, that was the only true RTW flight because it crossed both hemispheres.

User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

From the QF 3/31/67 schedule that also states on the cover "Australia's Round-The-World Airline" the flights from JFK went to SFO and also to LHR 3x weekly. There is also no mention of Belgrade in this schedule so perhaps it's in another but I didn't look. Their most interesting route was the Fiesta Route SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR 1x weekly and SYD-AKL-PPT-ACA-MEX 1x weekly also.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

I remember, as a child, that QF flew the "very usuaual and very exotic" FIESTA Route with all of the stops mentioned above.......really an amazing routing, something that you no longer see in today's world of hubs and alliances; these exotic routes were flown with the 707s.

QF did fly to both SFO and LAX for the longest time, I believe that the SFO service was terminated during the time that BA took an ownership interest in QF; at the time BA also owned a piece of US Air. The idea was that US Air could fly the SFO originating pax down from SFO to LAX on a dedicated feeder flight (much like the MAN-LHR scheme mentioned above) and then join the Australia bound flights. When US and BA broke up, and US pulled out of the West Coast markets, this system came to an end and SFO was quietly dropped from the QF route system.

While it is unlikely we will ever see the FIESTA Route return, QF could certainly reopen SFO as a gateway with a daily service to SYD, and it is likely that MAN could support a 3 times per week service MAN-SIN or BKK-SYD; in my personal opinion, airlines are getting a bit to focused on hubs and I think that pax would support new direct services. I am sure that everyone in MAN is tired of connecting in LHR to go just about anywhere, for example.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7931 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Interesting points Dutchjet, I bet populations in the likes of Manchester (and in the case of flights to Aus, AMS, ATH, Belgrade as well) would like more direct services but unfortunately these decisions are made by beancounters and unless the passengers from these regions count a fair proportion of high-yield business travellers in their midst, they're not going to get the services. Anyway the hubs offer more variety nowadays anyway, since passengers from Manchester have plenty of one- or two-stop ways of getting to Aus: Malaysia, Emirates, SQ, Cathay, Olympic... From Amsterdam: EK, SQ, CX, OA, MH, TG, UA... Even Helsinki is joined to SYD with one stop (Thai via BKK).


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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

As a child, I flew BOAC and Qantas from JFK to SYD frequently.
QF 747's never operated this flight- always the 707's as QF withdrew from JFK around the same time their first 747's were being delivered. Both airlines used the same flight numbers for the LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD route: 531 to SYD, 530 to LHR. Both airline services were dropped at QF's request as the loads were quite dismal, especially on their JFK-LHR sector.

Due to curfew restrictions at JFK, on the SYD-LHR service, pax were accommodated at a SFO airport hotel for 6 hours to wait it out until the flight could leave SFO for JFK.

However, my best journey involved a BOAC breakdown in HNL on return to JFK. As the flight was operated by a RR powered 707, there were no spares and the replacement part had to be flown in from LHR... therefore, all pax were put up at the Outrigger Waikiki for 3 days until the aircraft was serviceable!

On another note, QF service to LAX didn't start until about 1979 using 3x weekly 747 combis LAX-HNL-SYD.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6708 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

8/68 OAG shows QF 530 arriving SFO 1845; arrival in JFK was 0800 so they must have spent 5+ hours in SFO. First class and coach went to the hotel?

I guess this wasn't a curfew for noise, was it? Maybe the customs inspection in JFK shut down after midnight? Pan Am's DC-8 from Dakar arrived JFK at 0415, but maybe they had their own customs crew in their terminal.

In 4/74 QF 580 left Sydney at 0945 Thu and Sun; stop for

45 min at NAN
60 min PPT
60 min ACA
60 min MEX
45 min NAS
45 min BDA
and arrive LHR 1055 Monday (the Thu departure only went as far as MEX). No indication that this was a RTW flight.

How many crew changes on this flight? Did a crew sit in ACA or NAS for days waiting for their flight back?


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Correct- all pax were sent to a SFO Airport Hotel for the JFK curfew. I know everyone hated it- not enough time to go to sleep.

I'm pretty sure these flights arrived at the International Arrivals Building... the BOAC-Air Canada Terminal opened in 1972 (I think) so some of these flights may have arrived/departed from there once this facility opened.


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