Kcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1140 times:
Well, it's now officially over. Brookpark Rd. has been relocated to right next to I-480, and the mound is now inaccessable, and most likely demolished. So, the end of spotting at CLE has come to an end. When the new 100th Bomb Group Restaurant is built, it will be too far away from the runways and the original location that photographs will look like crap unless you have a 1000+ mm lens, and if you're not taking pictures, you'll need a telescope to see the regs. since before you could just just a pair of binoculars.
There is another spot that is fair for spotting, poor for photos and binoculars, and that is the corner of IX Center Dr. and Grayton Rd. at the 6 end of the runways. This spot is heavily guarded during the day because of constant truck traffic through the emergency gate so they can fill in the valley at the end of the 6's to extend the runways, and at night, well, as I experienced tonight, lots of rowdy, sex-crazed teenagers hanging out in their cars.
So, our only hope is Redngold. If she gets enough people to sign her petition and the councelman gives in and gives us a spotting area near where the mound once was, it will be our only hope. As for now, there are no places outside of CLE to stop during the day to take photos or to just sit and watch the planes.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1129 times:
I believe that this is excellent news. As we are in a heightened state of alert, closing this open area is way overdue and it's about time it was done. We simply cannot afford to take chances with the lives of all the thousands of people flying in and out of there every day. When you have a place like this where anyone can openly come and get that close to the planes, it MUST be closed. Who knows who might be showing up there. I applaud the CLE airport authority for doing what so clearly needed to be done.
Kcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1101 times:
Well, obviously Matt D is paranoid about security, and uh, this had nothing to do with airport security. This was planned about 10 years ago, because CLE's expansion project was to be finished by now, but was put off for so long. According to the airport's website, they need this extra room for the new runway they are building. And no, MattD, don't tell me that they aren't building a runway but actually an array of nuclear arsenal and nuclear bunkers for the rich people to hide in.
"Who knows who might be showing up there."
Trust me, you had a restaurant busy all day with patrons, you had a 4 lane road in front of you, full of traffic all day, you had the airport security across the street watching. All of these groups sort of watch you since you stick out on a mound in an empty field. The people in their cars usually honk or wave one or more of a selection of fingers at you, based on thier age, the restaurant people are in and out all day, some of them would have been more suspicious, and well the airport security. They'd tell you to leave if you got withing 3 feet of the fence.
"When you have a place like this where anyone can openly come and get that close to the planes, it MUST be closed."
Uh huh... OK, well, the majority of the people who went to the mound were families, photographers, and pilots themselves. I would think that if you had any sort of firearms pointed to the aircraft people would be calling the cops. Plus, that has never happened. Sure, little Susie Q is going to get her AK-47 and shoot up a plane. DUH!!! Like nobody would notice. Also, since you've never been here to the spotting MOUND let me explain what it is. THE MOUND is a MOUND. A MOUND is defined as a small, raised area of land. Those photos were not taken on the ground. They were taken atop a 4-5 foot high MOUND that was built by an unknown group that wanted to that photographs without the giant 6 foot high fence in the photo. the mound then became more important once the airport put up the blast shields. Then in order to watch the planes you had to use the mound.
"We simply cannot afford to take chances with the lives of all the thousands of people flying in and out of there every day."
What do you want me to do, get in my Delorean time machine and go back to 1903 and tell the Wright Brothers not to invent flying because the great form of transportation known as the airplane would be used against us to kill several thousand of our own people?
We all take chances. Of course the ones your talking about are putting lives at stake beacuse of your fear that some Al Qaeda or Taliban is going to go to a 4 foot high mound and shoot at airplanes. Well, it'd be kind of dumb for them at this point. They'd go for something more important then shooting at ERJ's all day long.
So, Matt D, you can be afraid all you want. The more you talk about disappointing things like this being good, the more you tell the terrorists, "You win! Come, take America over! We don't care if you walk on us like cheap rugs!"
Kcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1099 times:
Oh, here, Matt D if you don't believe about the traffic and the fence, let me show you a picture from Redngold's website, since I'm not sure about the new copyright rules, I'll put the picture link then the site link underneath: