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Breaking News...Plane Crash In NW Indiana  
User currently offlineFrequentflyer5 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Breaking News...ABC news is reporting a plane crash in NW Indiana. Not a lot of details yet.





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User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 976 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

Was it a commercial aircraft or a private plane? Hope everyone is ok.


AA - Doing what we do best.
User currently offlineFrequentflyer5 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

They only mentioned plane crash and no other details as of yet. Perhaps a small a/c?


User currently offlineSq325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

CNN Doesn't say anything about it.
So hopefully only a small AC crashed.


User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

Hopefully nothing major.

No news websites have posted updates as of yet.



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3991 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

"Hopefully nothing major"

All plane crashes are major. From a 172 with 2 people on board to a 747 with 400 people on board. Lives are lives. Let's hope none were lost in this one.



AZJ


User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

AZJubilee-

Agree 100% with you on that. A plane crash is never a thing you want to have happen.

What I mean was "I hope this crash does not involve a large airline or aircraft"



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Well Greg- when your family dies in a plane crash, we'll all be thanking the lord it was just a Cessna. And only Greg's family.


Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

[http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/061902_ns_planecrash.html]

Looks like a Piper Cub, and the pilot has been taken to the hospital.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

Sorry squeegy...I'll stand by my original comments. Aquaint yourself with the term 'order of magnitude.'

If Piper Cubs hit the WTCs it would hardly generate the same actions as we have today.

There are several small aircraft incidents and accidents each day---most never get any notice. However, we have an almost daily reporting of any minor glitch with an airliner. Proves my point.

Certainly not detracting from any loss on the smaller incidents--that was a mistake in your interpretation.

Brgds.



User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

You're right Greg. Bigger plane crashes mean more ambulances to chase.

To a family who have lost a someone they love in a crash, it is cold consolation to know hundreds of other families have to go through the same pain.

Yeah, the financial cost is greater, so are the headlines and cash settlements, but on a human level (the one you always miss) the pain is the same. And to make it seem any less real or powerful is an insult to those families.




Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

If a small plane crash many less people suffer, so I think it's nonsense to say that a Cessna crash is as important as a 747 crash. Of course a life is a life, but there's not only lost lives, there are broken lives.
Of course it's always very sad when a plane crash. But if a plane crash, I prefer it's a Cessna rather than a 747.
In fact, I'd prefer no plane to crash, but unfortunately it's impossible.


User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Guys,

If you want to have a discussion about the morality involved in reacting to plane crashes, please feel free to start a topic on the subject in the Non-Aviation forum. However, on this thread, let's stick to hard news about the crash. I am very interested in hearing any developing news, as we are not getting anything here in DC, either on the local stations or Fox News, CNN or MSNBC.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

Another fight- woohooo.
Chepos



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

Good point N202PA.

I'll take it step further and say that since it wasn't an 'airliner', maybe it shouldn't be in this section of the forum at all?

Brgds.


User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

With all due respect,

Cessna with 2/3 passengers= tragic.

Boeing 744 with 416 passengers= a lot more tragic.

Of course any loss of life is dreadful, but it's obviously a lot worse if more people suffer.


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

OK, I have seen the aftermath of six plane crashes in my life. One was a Cessna 172 (3 dead). Another was a Piper (3 wounded), another was a A300 (200+ dead) and the other two were 767s (3000+ dead) and the third was a Learjet (10+ dead). Each of these crash sites (ans actually seeing some of the the planes crash) has affected me profoundly. But I think that when an airliner crashes it is a bigger worry. When a Cessna crashes you seldom think how many people on the ground were killed. You seldom think about how many hundereds may have died. A big plane crash is much scarier and heartbreaking. Though all are sad.

User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6153 times:

The absurdity of saying that a Cesna with 2 on board (or a Cub) with one or two is JUST as tragic as a 747 crashing is an absolute laugh. I would never want anyone to suffer the trauma of being in or having loved ones lost in a crash, however the effect of a large airliner going down is so much more massive than the crash of a general aviation plane, there is no comparison.

I guess its like the difference between a car crash and a 747 going down.....
there is no comparison.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6073 times:

Just some info for you guys...

In the month of May in the United States, there were 168 incidents/accidents/crashes involving general aviation aircraft. 26 of these were fatal, causing 43 deaths. This averages out to over 5 incidents a day, and almost one fatal crash a day (with approximately 2 people onboard every fatal one).

Although it is indeed horrible when people die in air crashes as these, they cannot be compared to what would happen if a 747 goes down. As you can see by the above quote, general aviation incidents could be more compared with that of car crashes than airliner crashes.

We're doing better in June though, only 7 fatal crashes through the 17th, with 7 deaths (1 per crash).


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4634 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6032 times:

So now that we're clear on which crashes are more tragic, is there any more info on the crash


Word
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6001 times:

To whom it might concern:

I seem to recall the Challenger Shuttle accident occupying hours and hours of air-time and countless pages of newsprint, and attracting an endless stream of phrases along the lines of "catastrophe" and "tragedy" even though there were "only" seven crew members on board.

Since you can't put a price on life, any attempt to compare the loss of one person with the loss of dozens is utterly meaningless, and IMHO naive and immature.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I see people confusing the terms "more tragic" with "more exciting to talk about".


User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5950 times:

Backfire eloquently expressed what I was trying to say.


Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Riiiight, so a Learjet crashing with 7 passengers is the same as the Space Shuttle accident? I get your reasoning now. So a minivan crashing with 7 passengers is the same as a 747 crashing? And that light airplane crash into the Pirelli building in Italy was as tragic as the World Trade Centre crashes. I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I am interested in knowing however if anybody has any news regarding this Piper Cub crash, as general aviation crashes do interest me. Loss of life is always tragic, and I as a general aviation pilot want to know about as many crashes, and what went wrong in order to learn from the situation and not repeat it. Let's keep this civil, and intelligent, folks.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6518 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

Dear Backfire, every accident has its own proportions. The Challenger catastrophe was first of all a loss to the pride of a nation.

Had the same seven persons died in a car accident, then...

The same day as it happened (and I remember it as if it was yesterday) the president was on the tube, and his main message was: "The Shuttle and the space program will continue".

The president never reports car accidents. And if he ever should do so, then his message will not be: "We will drive in our cars again tomorrow".

The idividual life is invalueable since it it irreplaceable. But when it comes to our dealing with the life of others, then their value becomes proportional. That's how it is.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineDe727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

It's threads like this that make me wonder why I stick around this crazy site.....don't you people have something better to do?

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 25, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
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Once would think I could get used to the complete lack of maturity and tack here.

What began as an informative thread became a bicker match. SQ325, Squigee made a comment later addressed appropriately by AZJ, then the floor fell out from there.

With reservation, I'll archive this thread. Perhaps if you of you posts about the accident again, the thread might actually pertain to it.

My sincerest apologies to FrequentFlyer5 and those uninvolved.




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