Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10839 times:
We have no obligation to accomodate fatties by making seats larger as the fattie spokesperson claims. I am not against fatties, but if you are large and want more room you need to pay. I'm tall... I eithe upgrade or fly AA. Not get a larger seat free. If you are so largeyou cannot fit into a seat you should be forced to pay for a larger seat.
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 1909 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10823 times:
I'm sure both large and tall passengers who complain about airline seats
at the same time think nothing of spending more on larger cars rather than complaining to manufacturers of smaller/cheaper/economical cars that their seating and ease of entry/egress is too cramped.
Case closed.
AgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 649 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10807 times:
Voodoo--A320s aren't that much wider. Seats on a 737 are at most an inch narrower than those on the A320.
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2243 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10811 times:
Maybe if WN customer spend less time at McDonald's they'll be able to fit -- how do they make it on a bag of peanuts?
Eugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10786 times:
Descrimination against fat people is very different from discrimination against blacks, women or gays - if a fat person occupies more then one seat then the airline is deprived of the additional revenue from the lost seat (additionally the extra fuel cost to carry the extra wieght. But airlines do not suffer lost revenue from carry blacks or other minorities. That is the difference.
Discrimination based on cost should not be seen to be un just - insurance companies descriminate on the basis of sex (auto insurance and retirement plans) because they have different costs (fully backed up by statistics)
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4361 posts, RR: 45 Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10768 times:
Although I think Southwest is correct to implement this policy, they may have to make one change to get it past the courts. The "Fat Acceptance" spokeswoman says her weight is private medical information, and how will the airline determine who needs two seats?
Some overweight people are overweight because of a medical glandular condition; the majority are not. In other words, being overweight is usually *not* an irreversible injury like a spinal cord injury, etc. It is something the person can freely choose to do something about if they wish.
Those whose weight is a genuine medical problem would get a doctor's diagnosis to that effect, which they could present to the airline at booking. They would not have to pay for an extra seat, but ordinary overweight people would. I suspect this might be necessary to protect Southwest from an "equal protection" judgment or some other such mischief cooked up from the bowels of the 14th Amendment.
Again, Southwest is right, but that doesn't necessarily mean the courts will approve these days.
Squigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10767 times:
Eugdog got it right on.
I love the civil rights lady's justification. "Americans are getting larger". Well then, we better make huge seats to fit those who can't "Just Say No to Supersizing"
Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
Zebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10755 times:
I'm glad an airline has finally taken a stand on this matter. Last year I was on a DL 757 and was seated next to a man who needed to use a extra strap to be connected to his seat belt. Needless to say, that was the most uncomfortable flight that I have ever taken in my life. Also, it didn't help that his body aroma was not too pleasant.
Educate your children before others mis-educate them!!!
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10743 times:
Good for SWA--the ballsiest company in the U.S. I think those of us who are not excessively large(barely missing it, myself ) are being disadvantaged by the 'persons of large girth'(hey! maybe I should submit that to the Department of Ambiguous Descriptions in D.C.). Just as you have to pay for an overweight piece of luggage, you must pay if you take more than the allotted space.TC
Sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2043 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10724 times:
It's obvious, though, that this is all going to come down to the nerve of the individual ticket agent. Some are going to be willing to confront the large lady and break the bad news to her. But I bet most will sidestep the confrontation and proceed as though she were Brittany Spears.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10715 times:
It's in most ever airlines contract of carriage. Here's from Continentals:
H) Safety – Whenever refusal or removal of a Passenger may be necessary for the safety of such Passenger or other
Passengers or members of the crew, including, but not limited to:
1) Persons whose conduct is disorderly, abusive, or violent;
2) Persons who fail to comply with or interfere with the duties of the members of the flight crew, federal regulations, or security directives;
3) Persons who assault any employee of CO, including the gate agents and flight crew, or any CO Passenger;
4) Persons who, through and as a result of their conduct, cause a disturbance such that the captain or member
of the cockpit crew must leave the cockpit in order to attend to the disturbance;
5) Persons who are barefoot or not properly clothed; 6) Persons who are unable to sit in a single seat with the seat belt properly secured, unless they comply with Rule 6 I);
And what, might you ask is rule 6I…it’s this:
Passengers Occupying Two Seats
Upon request and advance arrangement, a Passenger will be permitted to the exclusive use of two seats subject to the payment of two applicable fares for the points between which the two seats will be used. A Ticket will be issued for each seat and the normal free baggage allowance will apply in connection with each such Ticket presented to the CO.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4342 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10711 times:
According to one of the articles, WN isn't judging by weight, but by girth. If the person needs a seat belt extension or can't get the arm rests fully horizontal, then they'll have to pay double. In addition if the a flight had empty seats on departure, the pax can apply for a refund for the second fare, as WN lost no revenue in providing an extra seat for the larger pax. My only question is, how are they going to determine in advance who is to big around? (I'm going to avoid the easy jokes that I have to admit immediately came to mind).
Jim - there's actually precedent for airlines charging for added personal services, even in cases where its medically a necessity. Oxygen, stretchers and I believe even animal assistance (seeing eye, deaf, etc.) are all medically required situations, all require proper documentation from a physician or similar, and all come w/ fees attached for the cost of providing the service. So if judged on that basis, even folks whose size is the result of a medical condition would end up paying. But as you say, what's fair and what's current practice may not necessarily match what the court says.
Duane
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
Delta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10710 times:
That rule has been around for years, industry-wide. Err, pardon the pun. But it's nothing new whatsoever besides overzealous news reporting.
PHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10705 times:
I fully support Southwest on this issue. However, I hope they are prepared for the numerous lawsuits that will undoubtedly come from this.
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10594 times:
It will be fine as long as there is no legislation dictating that obesity is a disease or that obese people are in some way disabled. But don't bet it won't happen. Not all obesity is non-organic in origin (for instance an over active thyroid).
Remember that everyone thought alcoholism and drug addiction was not a disease less than twenty years ago.
I think food addiction will follow. My guess is that California will pass the first law.
BUFJets From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10573 times:
A related tangent....
I would imagine someone who needs a seat belt extension would also have trouble fitting through an over the wing exit. Does this mean a person like this would have to sit near a door? Since first class is in the front, these passengers would have to sit in the back. Anywhere else would be a safety concern for other passengers if you have a large person clogging the aisle and not able to fit through an over wing exit. Do any airlines put people with large girth in the rear? I doubt it. How would Southwest's open seating policy accomodate this? I once flew Southwest and an obese woman sat in the exit row. I had serious doubts she would fit through the exit window. I considered it a safety hazard for everyone. I was surprised the flight attendant did not re-seat her.
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10552 times:
I hope this doesn't start applying to tall people too. I'm 6'7" and if I can't get an exit row, I tell the people in front of me politely that they cannot put their seats back. Of course, technically they have a right to do this, but if they try, their seat is either not going to go back or it's gonna crush my knees.
Fortunately, the new WN interior is 34" seat pitch so that is adequate for the most part. AA's "More Room" is good too.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
Strickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10556 times:
If an overweight passenger pays for two seats, then he should get double the frequent flyer miles, especially since when he redeems those miles for a free ticket, he'll have to fork out twice the miles for two free seats.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10550 times:
I happen to agree with Southwest, and I am 6'4/220 and, as many stated above, upgrade whenever possible either by using miles, other promotions or simply paying for it. But, we can be sure that this will end up in the courts and will be a negative public relations issue for Southwest.
Question: A BIG pax who booked only one seat boards a fully-booked flight......how will this be handled? What is always interesting in these situations is that most pax, who either crush your knees by reclining for the duration of a flight or who occupy half of your seat do not even realize what they are doing.
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1472 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10519 times:
But there's a difference between reclining your seat and spilling over into someone else's. It is my right to put back my seat as far as I would like, for as long as I would like, subject to the usual safety regulations - I have paid for a seat that reclines. That is what seats are built to do. If you are in back of me, and you can't feel comfortable with your knees against my seat, you should have requested an emergency exit seat or bought First Class. In terms of Southwest, you show up early enough to claim a pass in the first boarding group and thereby select an exit row with more room.
It is not my right, however, to take up my seat and part of another seat. Armrests are meant to divide individual seats and give each traveller their own personal space. When I buy a ticket, I'm buying transportation in that space, delineated by the armrests and seatbacks. If I am so obese that I cannot contain myself within one seat, it would be my responsibility to buy two - that is not only courteous to fellow travellers, but fair.
25 Mls515: I support Southwest on this issue. Especially from the standpoint of how fat people encroach on other passengers comfort. Although, the really fat peo
26 Spinkid: This is turning into a PR nightmare for Southwest, even though this is pretty commonplace in the industry. I've heard this story all over the TV and R
27 Nonrevman: I think that this has been standard practice with the other carriers as well. Since load factors are going on the rise again, it seems likely that the
28 ONT 737: Well, at least it won't be an issue when they have their "friends fly free" promotions.
29 JetRanger2000: I think now would be a good time to change the passenger seat standard that was set back in the 1950s by the Air Force (correct?).
30 UAL-Fan: I doubt it's a PR nightmare. Here on the forum most people support the policy. That probably reflects the public majority view. It certainly reflects
31 Lubcha132: i think its a good idea. i wouldn't like to get stuck next to someone who was taking 1/4 of the seats on each side of them. and about picking the peop
32 Frequentflyer5: I agree with Southwest and commend them on such move. It's perfectly legal too. FrequentFlyer5
33 Dcy: Hogs? We're talking people here. Would everybody please settle down slowly? You want fair play, you want your share and noone to jump in in your share
34 Lubcha132: It's not like the people using a wheelchair *need* to travel or go anyplace. They can just sit home, right? what are you nuts? handicapped people are
35 Dcy: No, I am not nuts. My recorded IQ is 184. What is yours? And obviously, you haven't understood my message at all. No money back for you from the schoo
36 Goingboeing: Hogs? We're talking people here. Would everybody please settle down slowly? You want fair play, you want your share and noone to jump in in your share
37 Jamesag96: I believe that UAL-Fan decided to bring "Hogs" into this and I find it deplorable that he did. People that are over-sized are for a number of reasons,
38 Sllevin: All this discussion makes it sound like everyone in the world is pear-shaped, and that it's all about seat width. It's not. Believe me, I fall into th
39 Leftypilot79: I drive people to the airport everyday. Im in and out of SAN all hours of the day. Honestly....how many people over 400lbs travel? I don't see many. A
40 LOT767-300ER: "My recorded IQ is 184." An i am Donald Duck. Someone hold me because im gonna collaps from laughing
41 Jamesag96: Sllevin and Leftypilot79 thank you for your views, it is a bit comforting to see that you guys feel that way. I am a bit calmer now. J
42 Leftypilot79: I just can't stand back and look at these people getting insulted and dehumanized. They are PEOPLE....they having beating hearts just like you....and
43 Sjc>sfo: It's really hard. My mom is very overweight, and thankfully in the past the ticket agents have been kind enough to strategize with me on how to book n
44 N202PA: I agree that people, no matter whether they are fat, thin, young, old, pretty or ugly, should be treated with respect. However, that does not give any
45 Lutfi: I think what is outrageous is that airlines discriminate against poor people. Have you seen how expensive ticket prices are for business and first cla
46 JetRanger2000: I just thought of something: Remember the slogan WN has at those carry-on luggage size-wise signs (No one likes a bin hog!)? Well, here's a new one: N
47 Jonathan L: This all sounds pretty half-assed to me. I think Southwest is trolling for lawsuits with the "we have no requirements, but we'll let our ticket agents
48 Goingboeing: I agree something like this has to be implemented, but judgement calls aren't going to work. And now for some more politcally incorrect commentary. Ju
49 C72: Would you all like to hear from an obese person??? I am obese over 400 pounds and the only time I've ever flown I voluntarily bought 2 seats when I fi
50 Sjc>sfo: "This country was built around "majority rule". " Where did you learn about U.S. history? That's simply not true. This country was built around "Don't
51 Sjc>sfo: and I am utterly illiterate, that should say " a disease "
52 Yyz717: Given the epidemic of obesity, maybe all airlines should charge a surcharge for all people over 200#. After all, it increases their costs when they ha
53 777lover: Lufti, Airlines "discriminate against poor people" because they know if they don't they're going to become poor themselves, if you catch my drift. Air
54 BWIrwy4: I checked the constitution forwards and backwards today and I didn't see anywhere where it said that the American citizen has a "right to fly on an ai
55 Sjc>sfo: Yyz717- "Over 90% of obesity is self-imposed" You are full of shit, do you have a source?
56 ThirtyEcho: Kudos to WN for this brave step. I have spent miserable hours jammed against the wall by some selfish obese person in the middle seat and it is time a
57 Leftypilot79: Ok...this has got to stop. What is the world coming to when we turn on ourselves? How many people that are SEVERLY OBESE travel? NOT A WHOLE LOT. Out
58 Geotrash: If I hear the word fatties one more time, I'm going to sit on your chest until you apologize to all the people on this forum you offended. If you can
59 Barcode: " My IQ is 184 " - LOL. Thankyou for that daily dose of entertainment over my English breakfast.
60 Geotrash: I have spent miserable hours jammed against the wall by some selfish obese person Gee ThirtyEcho, that doesn't sound selfish at all. such people not o
61 NWA742: I think it's perfectly necessary, especially if it's a full aircraft, like most WN flights. On the other hand, if the aircraft is half full and it doe
62 Dcy: Ok, dear friends. I've had it. I'm erasing my username. Yes, for your info. My IQ really is 184. The regular test goes to 160, after that you're invit
63 NWA742: Dcy, why on earth would you erase your username over a topic like this? Are you sure your IQ is 184??? Also, it's been 15 minutes since your post clai
64 Vfw614: What's the shouting about ? WN will refund an obese traveller if the flight is not fully booked. That means he only has to pay if the flight is full,
65 Goingboeing: Where did you learn about U.S. history? That's simply not true. This country was built around "Don't let mob rule destroy the rights and needs of the
66 Flyboy36y: I still caano believe that the Fat Spokeswoman thinks that airlines should make larger seats because Amrerican is getting fatter! There are 100 things
67 SWALUVFA: This is a very hard decision for Southwest because we value each and every one of our customers the same. Our customers are what makes us successful a
68 Eugdog: This is not a matter of rights of the disabled etc - it is about cost! This is a private airline which is trying to make money. If a carrying a partic
69 Mandala499: This won't be a legal nightmare for Southwest... afterall, Herb Kelleher was a lawyer... LOL What Southwest is doing is good, but it shouldn't be a po
70 J_hallgren: So will they have a seat-sizer that you must fit into, just like some airlines have luggage-sizers to check if it will fit? Or an actual aircraft seat
71 Jamesag96: Some of you people are just ridiculous, small minded and down right mean. I am glad that there are a few who are bold enough to stand up to the crap t
72 Goingboeing: Some of you people are just ridiculous, small minded and down right mean. I am glad that there are a few who are bold enough to stand up to the crap t
73 Jwenting: Next stop, a return of charging passengers per kilo of bodyweight (like they did in the 1920s). Say a flat fee equal to 50% of the current fee plus th
74 Virgin744: I couldnt agree more with Southwest! Its about time that us skinny people have the chance to travel in a degree of comfort. Many people seem to ignore
75 Jamesag96: I keep forgetting that the numbers of Obese travelers are so high. So high in fact that policies governing them will bring about an unprecedented shif
76 Dragogoalie: i can see both sides of this argument, and honestly I"m not sure how I would decide if I was the one making the decisions. But I just love this quote
77 LoneStarMike: I have some questions.If a person of size knows he/she has to book two tickets, how does one one do that on the internet? When it asks for name of pas
78 Nonrevman: Are we still talking about this? It all comes down to this: (1) If the flight is not full, then we do not have a problem. Anyone who needs to occupy m
79 Yyz717: Obese people are already less healthy than thinner people, hence are a greater burden on the health care system. Since my tax $ support that health ca
80 FlightSimFreak: Just tell them all that they get two meals with their two seats... They'll be happy. (I've got my flame proof cloths on now)
81 N202PA: Is there anyone on this forum who thinks that it is OK for someone to invade the space of another (IE. if you buy one seat, do you have the right to t
82 Meister808: Of course its not OK to invade on someone's space... especially if they paid a hefty premium for it. As for how much to charge someone who needs two s
83 ONT 737: I should be surprised about some of the opinions expressed on this forum. After all this website says... "The Forums. Known for their high quality and
84 Jamesag96: The issue here is seat size, if it is such a problem why doesn't SWA try to be a bit more accommodating? Do I think it ok for someone to invade my sp
85 Leftypilot79: Again....I REPEAT....How many 350-500lbs people travel? Most people that spill over into other seats don't travel to much. I work with the traveling p
86 Goingboeing: The issue here is seat size, if it is such a problem why doesn't SWA try to be a bit more accommodating? Do I think it ok for someone to invade my spa
87 Sjc>sfo: Since I got no reply, I'll ask again. Yyz717- "Over 90% of obesity is self-imposed" You are full of shit, do you have a source?
88 Jamesag96: I am offering up thoughts on solutions and all I am getting in return is fecal matter. How many airlines have removed rows of seats and advertised it
89 EWRvirgin: What would be so difficult about providing some larger seats that would better suit over-sized people? Not difficult at all. Its called "First Class"
90 727LOVER: I AM A LARGE OVERWEIGHT PERSON(not roly poly big, just extra large) AND IT SADDENS ME..NO angers me that you f**king asswipes on this forum are shouti
91 Goingboeing: Okay smartass - taking out two rows gives everybody a couple of inches of legroom. Two rows with 2 seats per row accomodates 8 people. What about that
92 N202PA: Do I think it ok for someone to invade my space if they can not help it after sitting in a seat optimally designed for small people? Yes, I would have
93 Goingboeing: This has been all over the morning talk and evening talk radio shows here...sorry to disappoint many of you, but the response has been overwhelmingly
94 Flyboy36y: 727LOVER, If you fit with an extension and do not spill over you WILL NOT BE CHARGED!!!! The extra seat is for really obesse people. It is true, sadly
95 Sjc>sfo: Flyboy36y.... I think 727Lover was the total dehumanization that is going on by some members of this forum towards obese people, like "spilling over i
96 Sjc>sfo: yes passengers who need two seats, should pay for two seats... just treat them with a little more respect, christ.
97 Goingboeing: LAst i heard, christ treated everyone with respect.
98 Leftypilot79: Exactly goingboeing. Christ didn't care who you were. Now....all these people who claim to be christians. Are you really living your life christ like
99 Geotrash: Yyz717- Obese people are already less healthy than thinner people, hence are a greater burden on the health care system. As usual, no facts, just alot
100 Mx5_boy: Guys, I think the airline has done the right thing, now it is up to those individuals who fit the criteria to either go with the program or fly anothe
101 Flyboy36y: Exactly goingboeing. Christ didn't care who you were. Now....all these people who claim to be christians. Are you really living your life christ like
102 Geotrash: Flyboy36y, So, I'm Jewish. I guess I can still call them fatties. Your posts are insulting to me and quite possibly to several others on this forum, a
103 Flyboy36y: First of all, I was being sarcastic in responce to Leftypilot and Goingboeing who use the argumental fallacy of appealing to a higher authority. I was
104 Goingboeing: Okay flyboy...allow me to further explain "sarcasm" and "irony" to you. First, it involves reading all the posts in the thread. I do not throw religio
105 Flyboy36y: Sorry, goeingboeing, but Leftypilot made it seem as if that's ejay you wrote. I agree abiout the name calling. I must say the Fat Assn spokeswoman rea
106 LoneStarMike: I don't have a problem with Southwest charging people of size for the extra seat, however, in the USA Today article something caught my eye that I don
107 Yyz717: As usual, no facts, just alot of mindless bellowing. I dare say that the depths of ignorance displayed by your words is far more costly to your wallet
108 Lubcha132: C72- its nice to see that would be affected by this plan in support of it. its also nice to see someone who is not selfish. Josh
109 Sllevin: I don't think it matters whether you are large by choice or not -- especially with reference to tall people whose knees jam into the back of my seat,
110 SSTjumbo: Pardon me, but this thread right now is far too hard to track, so I'll probably be just repeating every argument here, but I'll just toss my $.40 in t
111 Dutchjet: Wow, this is a tough room. While I understand Southwest's decision and its attempt to improve the travelling experience for most of its pax, this is a
112 Goingboeing: considering that lawsuits for this have been filed (and dismissed) in the past, I doubt you'll see a bunch of them. PR NIghtmare? Most everything I've
113 Geotrash: Yyz717- "So, Geotrash, because you don't agree with me...I should go away? I don't think so!" Actually, I'm not overweight at all. Not that it should
114 Yyz717: there's a spell check button at the bottom of the comment entry window. Using it would be a step in the right direction to being taken seriously --Ya,
115 Flyingbronco05: My into to aviation teacher taught me that the price of an airline ticket is something like for 1 passenger trip, per seat, per mile or something like
116 Nonrevman: Here is a quote from the Southwest Airlines website about this matter: Our entire reason for sending our Employees the reminder is because we are expe
117 Delta-flyer: Well, despite the logic, the economics, the "fast maturing & commoditizing industry", Southwest will take a lot of heat for this. At first, it will be
118 Flyingbronco05: If they are too fat to sit in one seat, is it even safe for them to fly? I mean if they can't fit in one seat, what happens if there is an emergency?
119 Boeing4ever: Well, all I can say is that Southwest has done a good job stirring the pot.
120 TxAgKuwait: Rather than continue to hear half-truths, rumor, innuendo, and inaccurately reported WN policies, here is what WN's website has to say bout this: >> I
121 LoneStarMike: Thank you for posting the info, TxAgKuwait. It answered some of my previous questions, however I still have a question regarding whether or not the cu
122 Geotrash: Yyz717- "Anyway, getting back to the topic. A primary issue for efficient aircraft operations is of course aircraft weight, both empty (or tear weight
123 Donder10: Geotrash, YYZ is right.There was a study undertaken in the UK about how much obese people cost the NHS each year and it was a huge amount.I will try a
124 Geotrash: Donder and YyZ, To date, research has focused on annual costs of obesity, based on increased healthcare costs as a function of ongoing health maintena
125 Delta-flyer: Speaking of health issues, what about smokers who are typically lower weight? Which is more costly in terms of health care -- normal weight smokers, o
126 Yyz717: The same counter argument is also made for smokers: that although they use health services more than non-smokers while alive, they generally don't liv
127 Delta-flyer: Yyz717....As I said earlier, WN can do as they please, although there may be unintended consequences. Also, I find your continued use of "fatties" rep
128 Yyz717: As I said, maybe 'fatties' isn't that repulsive in my world. This is an international forum. Don't project your English on me. Being from Mississippi,
129 Delta-flyer: Being from Mississippi, are you equally (or more or less) repulsed by your own state's sordid history Yes, I am repulsed by Mississippi's past, even t
130 Yyz717: By your remark, you have painted a certain image of yourself, which, if I were you, I would not be proud of. That's fine Pete. By living in Mississipp
131 Delta-flyer: That's fine Pete. By living in Mississippi you've painted an image of yourself which I would not be proud of as a white person. Neil, why do continue
132 Yyz717: Let's just stick to the topic Pete. I've insulted you no more than you me. Let it pass. I have. Anyway, if WN manages to roll out this revenue surchar
133 Geotrash: Yyz717- Yyz wrote: "Being from Mississippi, are you equally (or more or less) repulsed by your own state's sordid history and poor treatment of blacks
134 Yyz717: You are free not to fly WN Geotrash, since their proposed policy offends you so much. If the WN obese surcharge is implemented industry-wide, you may
135 Cba: Good for Southwest. I flew on HP once, and the woman in the middle seat was so fat that she raised the armrest and took over half of my seat. As far a
136 Geotrash: Yyz717- I did not say that the Southwest policy offends me. I said that YOU offend me. I still have yet to hear either lucid, conclusive arguments for
137 Pilothica737: I think WN has made a great move. I have been seated next to a VERY large person on a full flight, and had to suffer BARELY fitting in my seat all the
138 Delta-flyer: Geo, .....thanks for your support. I'm glad there are still some decent people around. I would not bother continuing this thread, as our friend from t
139 Yyz717: I agree with you Pilothica. WN is not doing this to pick on fat people. They are simply trying to maximize revenue payload in the interest of the shar
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