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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Do you think passenger flights will follow down the road?

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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

> Do you think passenger flights will follow down the road?

I don't know. Time will tell.

Only SQ has been able to maintain regular passenger flights between Asia and Brussels during the last 20 years. Other attempts of various carriers (GA, MH, UL, NH, TG, MU) were always short-lived.

Perhaps CX & SN may strike a deal for a code-shared passenger service between HKG and BRU.

Regards,

Established02


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Thats alot of Asian's out of Belgium, and dont forget Biman Bangladesh are they there to stay?


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

For those not well versed with airline codes, the carriers mentioned by Established02 are;

Garuda Indonesia
Malaysia Airlines
SriLankan Airlines
All Nippon Airways
Thai Airways
China Eastern Airlines Smile



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

You forgot to mention Asiana.
When did ANA fly to BRU?



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User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Thai was making money on the route but they stopt under pressure from Lufthansa.(to do code share from Frankfurt).
Regards
Patrice


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2306 times:
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Isn't the CX cargo flight just a replacement for the Air HongKong flight?
And CX starting pax service to BRU seems unlikey to me

Tim



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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

> When did ANA fly to BRU?

I stand corrected. ANA never did fly to BRU with their own aircraft. It was the SN/NH codeshare which I had in mind.

> Isn't the CX cargo flight just a replacement for the Air HongKong flight?

Yes, that is how it has been announced in the press.

> Thai was making money on the route but they stopt under pressure from Lufthansa.

A travel agent had told me that TG had left BRU, during a time when SLR offered flights to Phuket at very low fares. Soon after this TG joined the Star Alliance.


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Syrian Air have also added Brussles to their network, which other Middle Eastern carriers fly there? I know Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo operate to the city.


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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

> which other Middle Eastern carriers fly there?

Only LY & RJ.

You can find more info about pax and cargo operations at BRU at:
http://www.brusselsairport.be/timetables/
http://www.brusselsairport.be/cargo_tt/

Regards,

Established02


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Here is the transition schedule according to http://www.brusselsairport.be/cargo_tt/

The only difference appears that CX will operate only 5 flights, while LD lately operated 6 weekly flights.


Cargo flights from Brussels (BRU) to HONG KONG (HKG)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
LD002 ------7 16:20 13:25 74F 2804-3006
LD002 ---4--- 16:20 13:25 74F 2104-3006
CX002 1--4567 16:20 13:25 74F 0307-2610
LD002 1-3-56- 16:20 13:25 74F 3103-3006

Cargo flights from HONG KONG (HKG) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
CX001 --34567 23:45 14:35 74F 0307-2610


Cargo flights from Brussels (BRU) to MANCHESTER (MAN)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity

Cargo flights from MANCHESTER (MAN) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
LD002 ------7 12:10 14:35 74F 2804-3006
LD002 ---4--- 12:10 14:35 74F 2104-3006
LD002 1-3-56- 12:10 14:35 74F 3103-3006
CX001 1--4567 12:15 14:35 74F 0307-2610





User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

SQC will add one more flt thru Bru (eff aug2002). Rumours even talk about a second additional cgo flt and two additional pax flts

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2254 times:

What's the frequency of SQ's SIN-BRU route & what aircraft do they normally operate?

I'm not too sure whether we'll see CX doing HKG-BRU but now that they're replacing AHK's cargo service they should consider & study the feasibility of starting a passenger service to Brussels. Maybe they've already determined such a route isn't profitable for them & shelved plans to start HKG-BRU. If they do start HKG-BRU, I see them codesharing with SN.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 2238 times:

Very interesting info 744rules!!

Will the B777 come, or will it stay the B744?

/Frederic


User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

at this moment there are 3 pax flts ex sin into man (tue - thu - sat) and 3 flts
ex man into sin (wed - fri - sun)

sqc has a flt on sun (sin-shj-bru-jfk), same a/c returns on monday (jfk-bru-shj-sin). there is a flt on thu (ex ord or dfw i think) thru bru onto shj and a flt ex usa (also dfw or ord) onto bom.

the additional flt, according to rumours, is a scheduled cgo ex muc. I think we will get an additional cgo flt on tue and on fri  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As far as I know no 777 into bru.

More info to follow if available


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Has SQ a flight from SIN to Brussels that proceeds than to JFK?

I think that this a cargo flight that you mean. SQ has pax flights to the USA from Amsterdam.

Does anyone know how profitable this route is for SQ? It seems profitable enough for a B747...

Rgds
Frederic


User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

sq used to have 3 pax flts sin-bru-jfk a few years ago but they stopped this operation due not profitable

@frederic in my reply i did mention sqc which now is the freighter callsign
(singapore airlines cargo, radiocallsign sincargo ....)

the pax flts are referred to as sia (singapore airlines, radio callsign singapore ....) . The iata codes remain unchanged as sq

So, in fact, sia and sqc are two different companies  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Sabena 690 you are absolutely correct.

Singapore Airlines Cargo flight SQ7998 is a Boeing 747-400 Freighter.

Depart Singapore Changi Airport: 0555 (Sundays)
Arrive Sharjah: 0855
Depart Sharjah: 0955
Arrive Brussels: 1440
Depart Brussels: 1640
Arrive New York JFK Airport: 1850

Singapore Airlines Limited owns 100% of Singapore Airlines Cargo




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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

SQ's cargo flights through BRU are profitable.

Their passenger flights are not turning a profit. The passenger flights operate 3x744 SIN-BRU-MAN M/W/F and MAN-BRU-SIN W/F/Su and the problem here is that neither BRU nor MAN generates much premium traffic. Economy loads from both stations are pretty decent, though. A lot of SQ's traffic ex-BRU is tourist traffic headed to Indonesia, and this has taken a hit in recent years.
SQ has been in BRU a long time, though. I guess it is a "nice to have" route.

Since the early 1990s SQ has operated various routings through BRU, including: SIN-BRU-JFK, SIN-ZRH-BRU, SIN-FCO-BRU.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Don't forget BR (EVA Air).

EVA Air received 7 slots from BRU, but it's cargo flight only used 4. So it is still likely that BR to fly Brussels with 3x weekly.

Although EVA is still quiet about this one.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Thanks for clearing this out 744rules and Singapore_Air!

@Jiml1126, there were already rumours some months ago that BR would start pax flights to Brussels.

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Brussels is listed on Saudi Arabian Airlines website as a cargo destination, and heres pic proving SV Cargo fly to Belgium.

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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

> and heres pic proving SV Cargo fly to Belgium.

Airmale,

Saudia Cargo has been flying to Brussels for about 15 years. Therefore it's likely that you will find more pictures about SV at BRU in the A.net database.

I noticed that you're from Pakistan. Just curious, what makes you interested about air traffic in Belgium? It would surely be nice to see PIA at BRU one day.

Regards,

Established02


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7442 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2139 times:
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SQ said two or three years ago that MAN was now making a profit, though I've haven't had any news from them recently. Part of any perceived lack of premium traffic may be attributed to them offering a one-stop service rather than a non-stop one. They appear to be doing much better in filling the aircraft this year (some 236 pax per flight, which is 13% higher than last year, in the period January to March).

The printed MAN timetable makes no mention of a MAN-BRU service on the depature listing. It lists MAN-BOM on Th & Sa, MAN-AMS on We, Fr & Su and MAN-ZRH on Mo & Tu. Can't help on the arrivals as it just lists SIN!

David/MAN


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Established02-Hi! Belgian aviation interests me as far as Asian/Middle Eastern operaters are concerned, because its one of the lesser known West European states so its interesting to see airlines from my part of the world flying there, as for PIA they'll only operate there if a large Pakistani immigrant community is present, like in Norway one country I never imagined PIA would fly to, Sweden yes, Norway noway, but PIA cargo are considering operating to Ostend if and when they convert one of their A300s into a freighter.


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