Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1572 posts, RR: 8 Posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
Why is the Boeing 757-300 such a secret?
Boeing’s new 757-300 visited MSP today. So yesterday I called Northwest Airlines to see if I could get arrival and departure times. At first, they denied that it was even coming for a visit. After 10 minutes on the phone with them, they finally admitted that it was coming in but was such a “non-event” that they had hardly heard about it. I’m supposed to believe that one of the largest manufacturers of commercial airplanes is visiting MSP to try and sell them on a new aircraft and they don’t know anything about it? They insisted that it was strictly closed to the public and media and wouldn’t give me any information about it at all. I felt like they were trying to give me the impression that it wasn’t a big deal and only a very few people in the company knew anything about it.
Sun Country Airlines just flat out denied knowing anything about it. Even after 15 minutes on the phone with them…
I ended up calling Boeing. The contact person was very friendly toward me and was willing to give out information UNTIL she found out that I wasn’t with anybody important. She too refused to give out any information. No arrival times, no departure times, nothing. She insisted that it too was a closed event to me and thus there’s no need to give me any information because I can’t see it anyway. I kept telling her that I know I can’t go into the facilities and I just wanted to know when they were going to arrive. After several minutes on the phone she finally told me two things about the visit that she swore she wasn’t supposed to tell me: 1) It’s in Condor’s colors, not Boeing’s and 2) It’s arriving in the morning. That’s all I could get out of them.
So this morning I’m at the airport and I managed to correctly guess which runway it was arriving on. It arrived shortly after 9:00am and immediately taxied (very quickly!) into Sun Country’s hanger where the doors were immediately closed. It stayed in there for about two hours and then was hurriedly taxied to a Northwest hanger where again the doors were immediately shut. About 2.5 hours later, it emerged from the hanger, made a quick taxi to runway 12R (the crew asked if they could go ahead of the 9 other aircraft waiting for departure and ATC said yes) and took off very quickly around 2:00pm. During the entire 5 hour visit, the aircraft was only visible from the outside for about 20 minutes.
WHY THE DAMN SECRECY?
You’d think that if Boeing is trying to sell a new plane that they’d make it as visible as possible. Instead, they’re doing quite the opposite. I could understand how maybe Sun Country or Northwest wouldn’t want another airline’s aircraft to be seen in and around their facility, but that doesn’t make much sense to me.
I got about 16 photos during its visit. It was a bright and sunny morning at MSP today, until 5 minutes before the plane arrived. It clouded up just in time! And wouldn’t you know it the sun started to break from the clouds about 10 minutes after it departed. Isn’t that just typical spotters luck!? Hopefully the photos will turn out nice…
Some final questions. The registration number is N1002R. I can’t find out any information about the plane such as msn/ln number, construction date, anticipated delivery date to Condor, and future Condor registration number. All I know about the plane is that it is a 757-330. Can some people help me fill in the blanks! Thanks in advance…
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1193 times:
I don't think Boeing really cares if it's outside or not, it's just that, well, it's really cold in Minnesota in the winter, and during thses sales tours, there are usually press conferences, food, drink, presentations, and displays, all things that wouldn't bode over to well with people if they had to do it in 32° temps. The reason for the speediness duing taxiing is most likely due to the tight schedule the aircraft must keep to in order to do so many cities (speaking of which, what cities are it going to?).
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SCXmechanic From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 534 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1160 times:
Its been my experience that people who work in the head office, don't really know everything that goes on with other parts of the company.
The people you called at Mendota Heights, most likely had no idea that the B757-300 was going to be displayed in our hanger yesterday. For that fact, most of our pilots, flight attendants and outstation mechanics, had no idea it was going to be in town.
I was notified about its pending arrival two weeks ago. I mentioned the fact that it would be in town to a lot of other employees and they hadn't heard anything about it. I think the only people who knew about this were the MSP people in Maintenance and Maintenance Administration as well as a few people at the Mendota Heights location.
I was told we were doing Boeing a favor by allowing them use of the hanger to show other airline personnel, I suspect there was food and drink. And Boeing caps and other gifts passed out. But I dont know cos I didnt go. But I will find out tomorrow when I go back to work.
As the person from Boeing put it, it was a closed affair, for airline people only. I have no idea why they would keep the arrival time secret. Maybe they because it is painted in Condor's colors and they didnt want it being broadcasted by mistake, that Condor is now flying to all these cities in the US.
P.S. I dont think you will see the B757-300 parked on the ramp in SCA colors. That type hasn't been mentioned in our widebody replacement plans.
(I know its not a widebody, but has a large capacity)
Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1572 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Thanks for the info SCXmechanic. I didn't expect many people at SY and NW to know much about it. What really irked me was that I had reached the right people at NW who knew about the visit, they just wouldn't tell me anything about it.
I can understand that it's possible with Sun Country that maybe I didn't reach the right department (after going through several of them), though I really doubt it. I did reach the right people at NW and Boeing, but they just wanted to keep it quiet. Oh well...
Twa747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
I believe the serial number is 29018 and the German registration is D-ABOI. When I toured the aircraft the nose gear doors had OI on them. According to World Airline Fleets Condor has that a/c on order.