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RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach  
User currently offlineWilcharl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2324 times:

On a Mesaba flight I was on today, I was flying in first and noticed there were life jackets for the first class seats and the cushions for coach. The safety card had a supplimental sheet explaining their use.

Here is the quesiton. After the titanic, i remember there was a maritime law that passenger safety equipment was required to be the same regardless of fare paid and this also applyed to aircraft.

Now I understand why the seat design in first requires a life jacket (the seat is huge) but, by offering life jackets to first pax wouldnt they have to also throw them in coach?


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User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2300 times:

Yet another reason to fly first class. Actually, I think that vests are only required if you fly more than 50 miles from shore. The requirement for rafts kicks in at 100 miles. The snobs in first class probably have the jackets because of the seat design. Just a hunch, Part 121 operators may have different requirements.
Jetguy


User currently offlineCx flyboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 2292 times:

I highly doubt that any respectable operator would try and get away with having no life vests when needed!

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

The seat cushion in first class is not certified as a floatation device on the Mesaba/Pinnacle RJ-85s and hence the need for life jackets up front.

User currently offlineJwenting From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

The only thing required is that there are enough flotation devices (and rafts depending on aircraft mission profile) for all passengers and crew. I don't think it says anywhere that they should all be of the same design...

User currently offlineAzjubilee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

First, they are not Mesaba/Pinnacle RJ85s. They are only operated by Mesaba. Several months ago Mesaba was notified by the FAA or the seat manufacturer that the cushions weren't adequate flotation devices. My friend was an FO on the day the feds and XJ realized this... one cold morning in Montreal of all places. I was working that day and remember our chief pilot in MEM running around crazy to all the planes installing temporary briefing cards etc. What's very strange is that we don't go anywhere that would require the use of flotation devices. Maybe only one of the great lakes though...

AZJ


User currently offlineEnglandair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

50 miles from the shore?!?! That's very deep water!

It suprises me sometimes what airlines manage to get away with. Even if it wasn't going to fly over seas, it could still hit water. Infact going down in Lake Michigan is pretty much the same as ditching in the sea!

Weren't people's lives saved by the life jackets aboard the Air Florida B732 that went down into a river after take off from Washington? They weren't heading out to sea, but life jackets were still needed.

Disgusting.


User currently offlineLeftypilot79 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Hey Azjub,

Do you fly the RJ for Mesaba? My friend Kari flies the RJ for them. Such a beauty of a plane.


aaron


User currently offlineLeftypilot79 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Shes a F/O by the way.


aaron


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

AZ, do you fly the Avro for Mesaba?

User currently offlineAzjubilee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Yes, I'm an FO for Mesaba on the Avro. I also know Kari... we went to school together. And yes, she is a beautiful plane!

Englandair - wht is your point? What is the airline getting away with? The coach seat cushions are floatable. Then it was realized that the first class ones weren't, therefore life jackets were added beneath the seats. Just complying with the FAA.

AZJ


User currently offlineLeftypilot79 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Hey Az,

The next time you see Kari, tell her Aaron says hi. Im one of her friends from San diego/old student.  Smile


aaron


User currently offlineAzjubilee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

I'll do that for you Aaron. Take care.



AZJ


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

What's the likelihood that you will need a lifejacket on a Mesaba flight. You don't fly over the Atlantic. If something goes wrong in flight with the RJ where it can safely land somewhere, it should be able to land safely at the nearest airport and not have to ditch in Lake Michigan or Lake Erie which would be the only two reasonable size bodies of water that Mesaba RJ's fly over.

User currently offlineLeftypilot79 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Thanks for doing that AZJ. I haven't talked to her in awhile.  Smile


aaron

Leftypilot79@aol.com


User currently offlineWilcharl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Well... the great lakes are kinda big... (really big) rivers.... who can forget air florida palm 90 in the Potomic...

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