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CI611 CVR Records "Mysterious Noises"  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Taiwan's Aviation Safety Council has said that it has heard a series of unidentified sounds of the China Airlines CI611 Boeing 747 before it broke up in mid air and crashed.

"Our initial judgment is that it is not a sound from normal operation of the plane," Kay Yong, managing director of Taiwan's Aviation Safety Council, who is also lead investigator for the air disaster, told reporters.

"I do not know what the sound is," he said.

Boeing Company, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration have listened to the recording several times.

So far, 161 bodies have been recovered out of 225.

More information at the Reuters / Yahoo website



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Hmmm...in my opinion not very likely that those sounds were human heartbeats because the microphone is mounted just in front of their mouths and not very near the chest. Unless of course the cockpit area microphone is so sensitive, which is also not likely. Could it be that the microphone was somehow wrenched away from their heads and dropped onto their chests while they passed out?

User currently offlineVywh From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2002, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Regarding to your knowledge,what are the possibilities that the sound might be?

Thanks


User currently onlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Maybe this sound came of some kind of vibration of a certain part of the Aircraft body! This vibration could have lead into a damage of the cell!
Only speculation
I also doubt the Heartbeat theory.


User currently offlineD-AIGW From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Even if the microphones dropped to their chests, do you think that it is SO sensitive as to pick up the sounds of their heartbeat?

User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Quite true. However, the investigator did mention something about it resembling heartbeat sounds.

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Resembling heartbeat sounds does NOT mean heartbeats. It probably means that they were muffled thuds. Could range anything from a pilot knocking his flight bag to structural failure in the aft cabin. Don't read so much into things until there are more details.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

I wonder if aerodynamic 'flutter' had some part. All planes are susceptible to it but accidents are rare.

User currently offlineSvenvdm From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

This is the article from the AIR TRANSPORT WORLD web site at http://www.atwonline.com/indexfull.cfm?newsid=2023

It's more detailed than the article linked to in the initial post.

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China Airlines CVR offers no easy answers to breakup
Dateline: Tuesday June 25, 2002

The mystery has deepened into the loss of China Airlines Flight 611 on May 25 after initial readings of the cockpit voice recorder in Taiwan.

Contents of the CVR recovered from the sea last week were made public by Taiwan's Aviation Safety Council after leaks to newspapers. The tape lasts 31 min. 56 sec. and up to the 17-min. mark reveals normal conversation between crewmembers. Then for 0.3 of a second there is no signal from the CVR.
At the 18-min. mark, which corresponds to 1514 local time, there is a faint tapping sound. At the same time, other mysterious noises are heard in the cockpit and the captain tells passengers to fasten their seatbelts. This explains why the body of the inflight service director was recovered strapped to a crew seat. The tapping noises continue for about 2 min. and stop at 1516.

At 1520, the 24th minute of the tape, there are several short thumping sounds, likened to a human heartbeat. At 1524 the faint tapping sound is heard again with 10 repetitions over 3 min. The tape ends at 1528 just after a sudden thump is heard. The pilot's conversation during this period is normal and the only sign of any problem is the request for passengers and crew to be seated.

The mysterious sounds lead some safety analysts to consider that the aircraft may have suffered a structural failure of some kind rather than an explosion. The FDR is being analyzed and it is likely that data will be released this week.
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Hearing the plane break up around you for 15 minutes must be a nightmare come true!

I'd really like to know what you think!


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

I think it is probably some freak structural break-up that insurers describes as an "act of God." The sounds could have been popping rivets.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Why didn´t the pilots descend? That the conversation sounds normal even after they encountered "something" points towards a situation where they thought about nothing serious - until the sudden end.
Was it a rudder coming loose maybe? If so why didn´t the pilots report anything then or at least expressed signs of shock, an outcry?
That there was "normal" conversation obviously during the aircrafts strange flight manouvres in the last minutes has not been reported so far. So far it was said (by CNN and others) that there were only strange sounds to be heard during the last sequence of the flight causing suspicion the pilots were out of control already.
But how can a structural breakup propel a part of the aircraft so vehemently into the opposite direction?
A fueltank-explosion becomes more and more unlikely.
CI611 becomes more and more a mystery.


User currently offlineSvenvdm From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Could it be the sound of the pressure bulkhead disintegrating? That could have been the part flying off in the opposite direction.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

There is a new article about the crash in the NYTimes. You need a user id to read it. According to the article, pilot error and explosion have been ruled out. A couple of other interesting details emerged: the plane started a rapid (but within limits) climb 27 seconds before breakup. The crew did not notice or at least did not comment. Also the #4 engine dropped slightly in power right before the breakup.

It gets weirder and weirder.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/25/international/25CND-TAIW.html


User currently offlineManuel From Portugal, joined Aug 2004, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Or could it have been the autopilot trim sound, again considering the pilots ignored the sound. Well this doesn't lead to the cause, but might explain the sound. Why isn't a fuel tank explosion included in the speculation? The end of the tape is obviously so abrupt that I don't think the plane broke into pieces inflight. If a plane suffers material fatigue, it doesn't happen at the same time at all ends. However an explosion like TW800 doesn't give the pilots any chance of reacting, resulting in the abrupt end of the tape. Didn't the airline operators of 747 classics react on the TWA accident and checked all the wiring in their planes???
thought over thoughts......


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

I think the trim sound would have been recognized. Pilot and safety experts have listened and said it is not a normal cockpit sound. The fuel tank explosion has been ruled out. Svendvm could be correct.

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

The idea of flying is not so appealing anymore, atleast to me, even on my last flight on a PIA 747-300 from Islamabad to Karachi last August, I did not feel too comfortable and looked forward to landing safely on the ground, strangely just as I noticed the altitude we were cruising at which was the maximum 35000 feet at the time the plane started to shudder, and the idea of flight seemed more unappealing than ever before even thou it was a brief one and half hour journey. I know its not like that but not being a regular flyer thats how it has started seeming to me, anyways I hope the thought of what happened to CI 611 never crosses my mind when Im on my next flight, that such things can happen is quite unnerving.


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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

I understand that the F/E's panel on the 747-200 is mounted on self-adjusting joints because it doesn't stay flush with the aircraft fuselage, and that it is quite normal for it to rattle and bang in flight.

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