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Why No AA To Ams?  
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Since, UA, CO, US, DL, and NW fly to Amsterdam why doesnt American follow. Wouldnt a 767-300 from O'hare to Schipol be viable? Or maybe another city maybe Boston or Dallas, or Miami... etc.

thanks

drew


AMS-LAX-MNL
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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

I thought AA announced service to AMS before 9/11 from ORD?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

AA announced ORD-AMS in 1999, only to cancel it.

ORD-AMS is already a crowded market with Northwest/KLM, United, Kuwait Airlines, Singapore Airlines, and I belive Royal Jordanian.

MIA-AMS is also well served with Northwest/KLM and Martinair, with as many as 3 flights a day on Saturdays starting this winter. However, as AA expands thier MIA hub, I do think they might want a piece of the pie in the future, because MIA-AMS is a very dense route. Though that is not until 2005/2006 at the earliest.

There is no DFW-AMS, service, however. That would be the best gateway to start AMS service from.




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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Hey Guys,

That was I knew were use fly on Northwest, and Martinair too were fly nonstop from MIA-AMS flight. And that was daily 1 roundtrip nonstop from MIA-AMS on NW. And some day were use on Martinair were flies to MIA, MCO flight. It was on the flight schedules as for myself. so hope this is your helps. Thanks!!!


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

I am a little surprised too. However, you must keep note that American only really flies to partner's hubs with a few exeptions. I guess American feels comfortable codesharing into AMS on a few of their partners. I am sure we will eventually see AA at AMS though.

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User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Any AA 74 series would be a nice sight at AMS

AMSMAN



Aer Lingus, Proud to be Irish.
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

AA chose BRU over AMS. Now way they will add more European destinations in the near future. Instead they've cancelled Stockholm, Rome and Milan. AA is more likely to add flights to existing stations in Europe if the demand is there.


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User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Who wants to operate a service into an already saturated market?? Yields aren't attractive and market is already overcrowded.

User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

If someone wants (and has the money) to penetrate the market they will do that and take the loss for granted. KLM started serving Philadelphia the same time US Airways did a few years ago, there was no market for it, but KLM did it to bully US Airways. This was the reason for US Airways to leave (no profit) and KLM hurried itself to cancel their flights as well.
US Airways has returned now but KLM didn't follow because of the timing of US Airways KLM couldn't afford to add a loss making route.

AA may want to do the same thing, eventually one of the airlines need to give up capacity/flights or the entire route leaving extra capacity for the competitors left, if AA knows they won't be the first to leave they can play it like that.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Manni,

AA serves Rome daily from ORD.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Detroit is the main reason.It's a fortress.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Yeah, there are 4 daily flights between DTW and AMS- One with a KLM MD-11, one with a 744 and two with DC-10s.

I notice a lot of connections at DTW are going to ORD.


User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

AA needs DFW-AMS. KLM doesn't even fly here. DFW also needs more European Destinations.


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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

i think if UA had'nt opened their own AMS-ORD service, AA could have done well on the route, now though, it would surely fail. You have to remember that the AA brand in the Netherlands is virtually non existatnt along side NW.

I think the only routes with a possible good yeild and potential traffic are AMS-DFW or AMS-LAX, apart from this, i don't think anything else would work.

I have my money on AMS-DFW, daily 763. Would be a challenge for AA, but with marketing and a considerable amount of support stateside, could be successful.

regards

mike


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

SESGDL,

I was sure they had cancelled that destination already, they must have changed their mind or postponed it.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Its tough for US carriers in AMS - KLM/NW runs the show, more or less, and with the CO joining the party, it will be even more difficult. AA had planned to fly to AMS and then decided against it. Just like NW controls DTW, KLM and its partners control AMS, and its a difficult market to break into, and even more difficult to make a profit. AA's success in Europe is very marginal - aside from its prized Heathrow routes, AA has not opened that many routes and has dropped a good number of the routes that it did attempt.

User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

In 1998 Bob Crandall - CEO of AA in those days - announced what he called 'The Amsterdam year' of AA. The plans were for the simultaneous launch of daily ORD-AMS, daily JFK-AMS, and possibly daily DFW-AMS.

These plans never materialised as market circumstances changed rapidly.

Summer 2002, AA codeshares to Amsterdam with bmi British Midland 5x daily and with SWISS over ZRH 1x daily. These six AA frequencies to AMS are probably sufficient for the time being.


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Leo- does AA still codeshare with BMI? I thought it ended about 6 months ago.

Back to the topic- I think the only real possibility would be DFW-AMS, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up. American has not grown in Europe in quite some time, and when the market is bad, they shouldn't start now.

SESGDL- AA's Rome services are seasonal in the summer. FCO,Glasgow, and BHX are AA seasonal.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Blink182, BHX is year-round. It did not operate winter 2001/2002, but that's it.


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User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

I wouldn't be suprised if KLM or NWA start an AMS-DFW service. I can recall a thread on this board suggesting that either KLM or NWA was thinking about this route. This would certainly mean that you wouldn't see any AA aircraft at AMS anytime soon.



User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Lj-
If Northwest or KLM were to serve DFW, American would instantly start DFW-AMS service. American beat Air France out of CDG, so I am sure they could do it to Northwest/KLM out of AMS. It would be a good competition though from both sides of the pond. DFW needs another trans-atlantic flight as BRU was dropped when Sabena went out of business and Air France dropped their CDG flight so now the only CDG flight is by AA. Amsterdam would be a welcomed route at DFW regardless of whether it is AA or NW/KL.

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User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Who says no AA to AMS?, what I get from this thread is that AA dont fly to AMS, well Id like to know what I saw an short final for rwy 1L in AMS at about 7.50am this morning??

I saw the AA 777 landing followed by a NW MD11.

J



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

AMSMAN, you probably didn't see an AA 777. They do not fly to Amsterdam. There could have been a diversion from CDG or FRA or something, however. I have no idea what you saw, because I can't think of another airline right now with a silver livery. And you did not see a Northwest MD11. NW does not have any MD11s, they do have DC10s though.


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

The market is too saturated. The only possibility would be DFW-AMS, but then again, maybe not. They'd have to compete with KLM and CO 200 miles south at IAH. Apparently, the CO flight goes out full every night, and now with KLM and CO extending their partnership, this makes competition even tougher for AA.

25 Post contains images Brons2 : KLM does fly to IAH, they could stop off at DFW on the way back. Lufthansa's flights to Texas used to do this, not sure if they still do. (on an unrel
26 Blink182 : Maybe when KLM gets their 777s(?), they might start AMS-DFW service. AMSMAN- Either you saw a United 777(sometimes AA and UA can get confused at a dis
27 AMSMAN : Sorry about the mix up with NW a/c but it was an AA777 landing on 1L that i saw because I knew that they dont fly here. Im telling you guys, it was an
28 Blink182 : AMSMAN- It probably was a diversion from either LHR,LGW,FRA, or CDG. It could not have been ZRH,BRU and the other AA served European airports as they
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