Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
I guess they care as much for their planes as the French care about their cars
I have been to France quite often by now and all the time I have noticed that many (not all!) don't care about their vehicle too much. I mean it's just an object...
Joking apart, spend a saturday afternoon at any German airport, you will see LH staff washing their aircraft. - The Germans wash their cars every saturday, too - but they usually do this on saturday morning.
AF staff obviously knows something better to do with their time on a boring saturday afternoon..
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
As my old French teacher said 20 years ago: "the French invented perfume so they wouldn't have to take showers"
I guess the same can be said about Air France's planes.
However, I must say the interior is quite clean.(at least
on a recent flight in business class JFK-CDG)
On the other hand, my car is hand-washed daily. My company has a contract with the local car wash for unlimited washes and I use this perk to the fullest extent.
The rust will probably appear sooner than other dirty, unwashed cars, but since my cars are alwasy leased, I don't really worry about it...
AFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5465 times:
Bobcat, I don't know why Americans have that strange cliché about the French... I'm sure the French take at least as many showers as Americans!
Isn't that not too much to wash your car everyday? That's time-consuming, and not really environment friendly.
Ndebele In Germany, if you go to your workplace with a small car, than you're a "small guy". In France, that's not the case. So washing the car every week is not common in France (but in Alsace) for cultural reasons.
But let's get back to aviation; contrary to what one may think, Air France washes its airplanes quite often. Anytime a B or C check is performed, the airplane has good chances of being washed again for instance. But the thing is the airplanes are flying most of the time, and they get dirty very very quickly. So it's quite difficult to keep the fleet perfectly clean as the Asians do for instance. But it's true, that's still a point they need to improve...
Sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2050 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5442 times:
I know the matter of livery likes and dislikes is subjective, but the filthy, paint-peeling Air France problem points to why I love the AA livery. Shining silver reflecting images of clouds and wings and other aircraft, gleaming cleanly in the pure sunlight.
CFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5191 times:
AF should take better care of their airplanes I agree about that, but all airlines have dirty airplanes more or less..but nothing beats a clean one no matter what the livery...The jetways cause the dirty "frame" around the exits or actually around door L1 as this usually is the "main exit".
AOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5173 times:
"Take a look in the A.net library, you'll see thousands of clean and shiny AF planes and only few dirty ones"
About the livery, this livery is a classic. Not very original, I admit, but I love the tail and the livery doesn't really need to be changed.
Lots of people still find this livery gorgeous. This livery was made to last and it will last.
About the "clichés", it's true that many people thing we never have showers, women don't shave, etc... that's wrong (we're not animals )
And it's true that here lots of cars are dirty. Cars are not as important for French as it may be for English or German people. We don't "love" our cars (of course it depends on what car it is ).
Afboy From France, joined Jun 2001, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5135 times:
Last saturday, I flew AF Montpellier-Orly and back from CDG.
I noticed while boarding the 319 and the 735 that they were very clean and shiny outside.
BTW,do airline use environment-friendly or unfriendly detergent to wash their aeroplanes?
Flown: SF3, CRJ,CR7, AT7,E120,E145,146,RJ85,RJ100, F100, B727,732,733,734,735,736,772,A300,318, 319,320,321,343, M83, DC
Jumbolino From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 490 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5069 times:
Hi guys !
Please, I live in switzerland (naturally from Austria) and lived a time in Germany, but I (nearly) never wash my car (only a few times my garage couldn't see this and washed it ...) be my friend it's only a car ... and inside cigarette boxes (filled and empty, handcarechiefs ...... and many other waste ... funny sometimes people tell me that's a car not a dustbin ...).
But I like cars itself as I like planes (planes more than cars - ok) --> but it's not really necessary to wash it each saturday ...
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2903 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5043 times:
Well maybe it's not the same everywhere in Germany. Where exactly did you live, somewhere in Nordrhein-Westfalen if memory serves right. Don't feel guilty if you didn't wash your car that often. It's more or less tradition in the part of Germany where I live (Schwaben). Every saturday morning, you do the "Kehrwoche" which means you sweep both the stairwell and the pavement in front of your house, then you mow the lawn and wash your car. Oh yes, and in case that there's still some time before lunch, you go for a walk through your neighbourhood to check if everybody else has done their "Kehrwoche" properly. Some elderly fellow citizens also watch out if the cars are parked properly, but I usually don't do that - I won't start doing so before I'm 30 years old
ps: I was just joking. It was a dramatization - but in principle it's true.
AOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5011 times:
I don't know, but I'm sure that those planes are not dirty because of a lack of money.
There's a good point though: dirty planes pictures are more interesting than clean a/c shots lol
I agree that AF should clean their plane more often, as the aircraft is often the first French thing that foreigners see when they travel to France. And if they board in a dirty plane, their travel is not beginning in a good way...
BaliMorris From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4835 times:
I think this is probably the worst one I've seen. I'm very surprised they let them fly passengers in this condition. It gives such a poor image of the company. It's kind of like showing up to work in a shirt with pit stains. Actually come to think of it, I had a teacher in high school who only seemed to own shirts with brown-ish stains under the arm pits. A French teacher, no less! Not that I'm implying anything about French people or anything.