Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2751 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3935 times:
I guess they care as much for their planes as the French care about their cars
I have been to France quite often by now and all the time I have noticed that many (not all!) don't care about their vehicle too much. I mean it's just an object...
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3931 times:
I have notice that too, they are very dirty but what I saw in April this year is much better. I have flown to CDG with F-GJNX, at DUS during boarding I saw that the paint was peeling off the plane!
Joking apart, spend a saturday afternoon at any German airport, you will see LH staff washing their aircraft. - The Germans wash their cars every saturday, too - but they usually do this on saturday morning.
AF staff obviously knows something better to do with their time on a boring saturday afternoon..
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 3878 times:
As my old French teacher said 20 years ago: "the French invented perfume so they wouldn't have to take showers"
I guess the same can be said about Air France's planes.
However, I must say the interior is quite clean.(at least
on a recent flight in business class JFK-CDG)
On the other hand, my car is hand-washed daily. My company has a contract with the local car wash for unlimited washes and I use this perk to the fullest extent.
The rust will probably appear sooner than other dirty, unwashed cars, but since my cars are alwasy leased, I don't really worry about it...
AFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 3850 times:
Bobcat, I don't know why Americans have that strange cliché about the French... I'm sure the French take at least as many showers as Americans!
Isn't that not too much to wash your car everyday? That's time-consuming, and not really environment friendly.
Ndebele In Germany, if you go to your workplace with a small car, than you're a "small guy". In France, that's not the case. So washing the car every week is not common in France (but in Alsace) for cultural reasons.
But let's get back to aviation; contrary to what one may think, Air France washes its airplanes quite often. Anytime a B or C check is performed, the airplane has good chances of being washed again for instance. But the thing is the airplanes are flying most of the time, and they get dirty very very quickly. So it's quite difficult to keep the fleet perfectly clean as the Asians do for instance. But it's true, that's still a point they need to improve...
Sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 3827 times:
I know the matter of livery likes and dislikes is subjective, but the filthy, paint-peeling Air France problem points to why I love the AA livery. Shining silver reflecting images of clouds and wings and other aircraft, gleaming cleanly in the pure sunlight.
Crazyboi From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (10 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3759 times:
To elaborate on this topic a little bit, why is it that aircraft paint chunks and peels away? Is it a result of objects hitting the fuselage? Corrosion... adhesive deterioration?
And while we're at it, what causes the dirty runoffs from the door crevises? Is it some sort of spilled liquid?
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CFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 3576 times:
AF should take better care of their airplanes I agree about that, but all airlines have dirty airplanes more or less..but nothing beats a clean one no matter what the livery...The jetways cause the dirty "frame" around the exits or actually around door L1 as this usually is the "main exit".
AOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1297 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (10 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 3558 times:
"Take a look in the A.net library, you'll see thousands of clean and shiny AF planes and only few dirty ones"
About the livery, this livery is a classic. Not very original, I admit, but I love the tail and the livery doesn't really need to be changed.
Lots of people still find this livery gorgeous. This livery was made to last and it will last.
About the "clichés", it's true that many people thing we never have showers, women don't shave, etc... that's wrong (we're not animals )
And it's true that here lots of cars are dirty. Cars are not as important for French as it may be for English or German people. We don't "love" our cars (of course it depends on what car it is ).
Afboy From France, joined Jun 2001, 38 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (10 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
Last saturday, I flew AF Montpellier-Orly and back from CDG.
I noticed while boarding the 319 and the 735 that they were very clean and shiny outside.
BTW,do airline use environment-friendly or unfriendly detergent to wash their aeroplanes?
AFboy
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Jumbolino From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 490 posts, RR: 20 Reply 15, posted (10 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3454 times:
Hi guys !
Please, I live in switzerland (naturally from Austria) and lived a time in Germany, but I (nearly) never wash my car (only a few times my garage couldn't see this and washed it ...) be my friend it's only a car ... and inside cigarette boxes (filled and empty, handcarechiefs ...... and many other waste ... funny sometimes people tell me that's a car not a dustbin ...).
But I like cars itself as I like planes (planes more than cars - ok) --> but it's not really necessary to wash it each saturday ...
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2895 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (10 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3428 times:
Well maybe it's not the same everywhere in Germany. Where exactly did you live, somewhere in Nordrhein-Westfalen if memory serves right. Don't feel guilty if you didn't wash your car that often. It's more or less tradition in the part of Germany where I live (Schwaben). Every saturday morning, you do the "Kehrwoche" which means you sweep both the stairwell and the pavement in front of your house, then you mow the lawn and wash your car. Oh yes, and in case that there's still some time before lunch, you go for a walk through your neighbourhood to check if everybody else has done their "Kehrwoche" properly. Some elderly fellow citizens also watch out if the cars are parked properly, but I usually don't do that - I won't start doing so before I'm 30 years old
ps: I was just joking. It was a dramatization - but in principle it's true.
Zebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 412 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (10 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3414 times:
I saw this AF 747-400 (F-GISA) in ATL last year and it was rather dirty. If the wing looked like this, then you can imagine how the rest of the a/c looked.
AOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1297 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (10 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3396 times:
I don't know, but I'm sure that those planes are not dirty because of a lack of money.
There's a good point though: dirty planes pictures are more interesting than clean a/c shots lol
I agree that AF should clean their plane more often, as the aircraft is often the first French thing that foreigners see when they travel to France. And if they board in a dirty plane, their travel is not beginning in a good way...
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 36 Reply 19, posted (10 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3377 times:
I think there are plenty of airlines not "cleaning" them very often. Swissair used not to wash them until they will get their new Swiss livery. It was looking ugly...
But this problem is mostly during Winter time and when it is rainy. During dry weather it doesn't happen that often...
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Dreamexpress From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 255 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (10 years 12 months ago) and read 3356 times:
supose its like looking at cars... would you get in the dirty Ford Fiesta or the shiney Fiesta Ghia... Makes an impression. I would'nt want my holiday to start with a filthy plane.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 12 months ago) and read 3346 times:
Ndebele,
here in the Ruhrgebiet they do also wash their cars on Saturdays but they do it in the afternoon because they can listen to the soccer radio conference.
Zebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 412 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3255 times:
I bet you won't see a dirty Concorde from AF.
Educate your children before others mis-educate them!!!
BaliMorris From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
I think this is probably the worst one I've seen. I'm very surprised they let them fly passengers in this condition. It gives such a poor image of the company. It's kind of like showing up to work in a shirt with pit stains. Actually come to think of it, I had a teacher in high school who only seemed to own shirts with brown-ish stains under the arm pits. A French teacher, no less! Not that I'm implying anything about French people or anything.
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