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New 'Spirit Of Delta' To Be Unveiled Thursday  
User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Delta will unveil the 'Spirit of Delta' 767 in an all-new livery this Thursday, sometime between 2:30 - 4P.

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User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Anybody had a sneak peek at the plane yet?????

User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

ORD-- Are You an employee of Delta??

Because I was on the DeltaNet Employee site and was just about to mention this topic!!!



Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Are they only repainting one 767? Which kind?

thanks,
Serge


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5347 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Are they only repainting one 767? Which kind?

The "Spirit of Delta" is Ship 102 and is a 767-200. This was the first 767 to enter the DL fleet and was purchased through employee contributions. As a result it was named the "Spirit of Delta."



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User currently offlineDelta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

...and Ron Allen subsequently sold it and then leased it from the company he sold it to...



User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Ron Allen sold the Spirit of Delta? What kind of pride is that??? Anyway, that plane really feels like an old clunker (from a PAX standpoint) compared to the newer 767s.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4580 times:
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Sorry to ask what might be a previously asked question: Any word on whether or not the Spirit of Delta aircraft will have any special markings in the new livery?

User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

It's gonna be renamed "Spirit of Furloughs" because the paychecks of the 10-15% they laid off after 9/11 are helping to make the lease payments. Big grin

User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Lowfareair....where did you get your numbers that Delta laid off 10-15%?

Only a few hundred pilots have been laid off from Delta. I don't believe any
other employee group had employees laid off. Delta offered early retirement along with vol. leaves of absent. There were so many applicants for the vol. leaves, some employees never left. And it wasn't until Delta offered the early retirement packages and vol. leaves that other airlines changed there attitudes and offered some packages similar. Except WN.



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User currently offlineDelta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

N839MH -- we've got almost 800 furloughs with 30 more going out on a regular basis monthly. I think that's the second highest in the industry, right under USAir who is barely hanging on. We didn't lose an aircraft and had the 'best' balance sheet going, but we're also doing the 2nd most furloughs industry wide.

Lots of employees were laid off, most, except pilots, were recalled.

As far as I know, SWA had NO layoffs (as far as I know) and is still actively bringing on more pilots. not a lot, but even a few is a good sign.

Doug


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

...and Ron Allen subsequently sold it and then leased it from the company he sold it to...

Hey Doug.... where'd you hear that? Delta still owns Ship 102 outright. Check out the aircraft info page on DeltaNet, according to that Ship 102 is owned.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Lots of employees were laid off, most, except pilots, were recalled.

Technically, only pilots were laid off. The rest of the employee groups took one year, three ? year and five year leaves, which at the end Delta must bring them back either by the end of their leave, or before... but since these people chose this, and are guranteed to be brought back at the end, I at least do not consider it being laid off.


I also don't believe Ron Allen would have sold the plane off, then leased it back (especialy after everyone else checked it out)


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

well landings.com shows DL as the owner

N-number : N102DA
Aircraft Serial Number : 22214
Aircraft Manufacturer : BOEING
Model : 767-232
Engine Manufacturer : GE
Model : CF6-80 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1982
Owner Name : DELTA AIR LINES INC
Owner Address : HARTSFIELD ATLANTA INTL AIRPORT
ATLANTA, GA, 30320
Registration Date : 21-Mar-1983
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Exhibition


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

No, I am not an employee of Delta. But I know someone who is.

My first flight was in a Delta 747 (my family had the upstairs lounge reseved for ourselves) and I have loved Delta ever since.


User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Please pardon my stupid question, but is this deltanet open to the public?

User currently offlineDelta15 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 617 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

No, only to employees.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Wilcharl,

According to your landings.com info, N102DA has an "experimental" type certificate. What's the deal with this?



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

The rest of the employee groups took one year, three ? year and five year leaves, which at the end Delta must bring them back either by the end of their leave, or before... but since these people chose this, and are guranteed to be brought back at the end, I at least do not consider it being laid off.

No, they are NOT guaranteed to be brought back at the end. That is the major sticking point. Delta must offer them any open positions at the time of expiry of the leave, but if there are no open positions within a fixed time frame (6 months I believe) then they are terminated involuntarily. Technically, Delta had zero layoffs of non-pilots. DALPA could also have avoided layoffs if they had accepted Dave Bushey's proposal of September 25 (which he explained in detail in one of his last memos on November 1 before stepping down), but Will Buergey decided to go the other way.

As far as ship 102 goes, I don't see any sale-leaseback transactions in the ownership history, but that is not to say that it did not occur. In the case of operating leases only does the actual title change hands, so its quite possible that an alternatively structured financing transaction took place.


User currently offlineDelta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

WilCharl-

The spirit of Delta is leased.


User currently offlineJim From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

So, going back to the first question...Has anyone seen or gotten a picture yet? Or is Ray and Co. doing a better job of secrecy this time  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 4096 times:

Ship 102 is not leased at this time. All of the -200s are company owned.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 4067 times:

I just saw it land in ATL and then taxi over to the TOC. Nothing special at all--same livery with the addition of "The Spirit Of Delta" in large fancy script just above the windows in the middle of the fuselage. A little disappointing in my opinion.

User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

To cease all of this nonsense about leasing, any Delta employee can tell you this plane was not leased. The employees in 1982 funded the plane, that is why it is special to Delta. My Mom helped pay for that plane!!!

--ORD, Thanks for the reply back, it is a good airline!!



Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineFlydeltasjets From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

B747,

You have posted your allegation on a number of different boards. It is both simplistic and incomplete.

Bushy made an offer to DALPA to attempt to avoid some furloughes using concessions. There is so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start, but I'll try.

#1. We were the only group who were asked to give concessions in exchange for mgt trying to avoid layoffs.

#2. We were the only group not offered voluntary layoffs.

#3. We were the only group who is not recieving benefits from mgt while we are off the payroll.

#4. We are the only unionized large workforce (coincidence?)

#5. Mgt. originally announced 1700 pilot furloughes. They asked for concessions based on that number. Let's assume that we gave them in exchange 900 jobs. That would leave 800 furloughs. Exactly the amount that mgt has furloughed. That's the whole problem with concessions. You may be giving up your hard-won contractual gains to save jobs which weren't even threatened in the first place.

#6. Our contract prohibits furloughs except in the event a circumstance beyond the company's control PREVENTS the company from flying airplanes. Nothing is preventing them from doing so. It is only for economic reasons that they have furloughed (granted, economic reasons brought on by a devastating event). We believe that these furloughs are illegal, despite what the arbitrator ruled.

#7. Mgt is buying 100's of rjs and transferring our flying to lower paid pilots. It is completely within "the company's control" to put those rjs at mainline and not furlough pilots. Will they do this? No. Why not? Economic reasons.

#8. Unlike many pilots lately, Delta pilots are proud of their accomplishments, experience, and qualifications, and feel we deserve to be well-compensated for them. Pilot salaries have fallen in real dollars in the last 20 years, and we think that trend should stop. We should be well-paid, and are too proud and committed to our profession to give away what we are worth.

#9. As a furloughed Delta pilot, I heartily endorse my union leadership's decision not to try to "buy" my job back by mortaging our futures. This has always been a wonderful job, I want it to still be that way when I return.

#10. Do you honestly not see a difference between the way the pilot group has been treated since 9/11 and the way every other (non-union) group has been treated?


25 Delta737 : B747-437B Wow, I don't know where to start but you are wrong, wrong, wrong. But ditto to what FlyDeltaJets said. Flyboy777- Purchased, yes, but then l
26 Post contains images DeltaBoy777 : I have never heard of Spirit of Delta Past. You will have to show me that one!!
27 N102DA : Ship 102 is owned by Delta. The aircraft was the first 767-200 to have the CF6-80A engines (launch customer United's aircraft are JT9D powered) and pa
28 Post contains links Strickerje : According to Delta's own website, all of Delta's 767-200's are owned, as seen here: http://www.delta.com/inside/investors/corp_info/fleet/index.jsp Ac
29 777-200 : Will this be open to the public? Greg J.
30 Dalmd88 : It's an employee only event. Free Cake and Ice Cream too, Oh Boy!
31 Wilcharl : I noticed that database is rarely updated, N103DA also is lsited as expermental. we had a 737 that was used in flt testing for hush kits that was list
32 Lindy field : Just saw a photo of ship 102 in the new livery. I like it. Looks very elegant.
33 Sxmarbury33 : I was just wondering. Why did the employees buy a 762 anyway. Is it the employees personal plane for non rev excursions or something thats the only th
34 777-200 : "If i was working for delta I dont see why I would chip in any amount of my paycheck to buy a 767 which the company already has a good number of" Sxma
35 Sxmarbury33 : Oh it was the first? I still dont quite understand why the employees bought it i mean if they were buying a 767 to turn into a mobile childrens hospit
36 Post contains links and images DeltaSFO : Here's a little background on Ship 102 for those who are curious as to why she's so special. I posted this on FlyerTalk a few months ago. In 1982, as
37 Fxra : As i recall, the employees all paid for the Spirit of Delta as a thankyou for the company not laying anyone off during economic troubles at the time.
38 Srbmod : I wish they would have done the widget outlined in gold like it used to be. Overall, not too bad looking, but they could have done more. They should h
39 2cn : B747-437B- Ummm.. you are wrong. As I remember from the papers my dad brought home (he works for Delta. has for 36 years now) that part of the whole d
40 HlywdCatft : How long did it take Delta to paint the aircraft in the new colors? I could have sworn it was Ship 102 I flew on June 11, 2002 from ATL to DTW and it
41 Jhooper : Mgt is buying 100's of rjs and transferring our flying to lower paid pilots. It is completely within "the company's control" to put those rjs at mainl
42 N839MH : FlyDeltasjets.... Wasn't it the pilots, the only group at Delta that called in sick for the most of the holiday season a couple years ago? If I rememb
43 Jhooper : N839MH, The pilots simply elected not to fly overtime (which is completely within their rights to do). The airline relies on this overtime flying to k
44 FlyPNS1 : The DL pilots wanted to be the best paid and they are...however there was a price to pay for those high salaries. The DL pilots effectively gave up ma
45 Post contains links L1011dal : It was nice to see the aircraft recognition at the employee event. I posted pictures from the event on my website at http://www.L1011.homestead.com if
46 Planefreak : Yes! The Spirit of Delta" is alive and well in my neck of the woods. Great job guys and gals planefreak
47 B747-437B : Flydeltasjets, Delta737, et al. Sorry for the delay in replying, but I've been on the road this past week. As you may or may not know, I have very lit
48 Post contains links and images Jaspike : Here's all the pics of the new livery so far: View Large View MediumPhoto © Seth Heckard Josh
49 Delta737 : Sept 25th proposal? Huh? Andy Dean/Chuck Giambusso factions? Maybe I'm the weirdo here but I've been around since 1998 and have NO IDEA what you're ta
50 Post contains images B747-437B : Doug - sorry if I didn't go into too many details here. I know that flydeltajets has seen my posts with the details elsewhere, so I assumed you knew w
51 Delta737 : Uhh, honestly man, I don't know what the heck you're talking about? Where did you read this and who's letterhead is it on? Andy Dean draws really cool
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