N839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 363 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3847 times:
Lowfareair....where did you get your numbers that Delta laid off 10-15%?
Only a few hundred pilots have been laid off from Delta. I don't believe any
other employee group had employees laid off. Delta offered early retirement along with vol. leaves of absent. There were so many applicants for the vol. leaves, some employees never left. And it wasn't until Delta offered the early retirement packages and vol. leaves that other airlines changed there attitudes and offered some packages similar. Except WN.
Delta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3833 times:
N839MH -- we've got almost 800 furloughs with 30 more going out on a regular basis monthly. I think that's the second highest in the industry, right under USAir who is barely hanging on. We didn't lose an aircraft and had the 'best' balance sheet going, but we're also doing the 2nd most furloughs industry wide.
Lots of employees were laid off, most, except pilots, were recalled.
As far as I know, SWA had NO layoffs (as far as I know) and is still actively bringing on more pilots. not a lot, but even a few is a good sign.
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3780 times:
Lots of employees were laid off, most, except pilots, were recalled.
Technically, only pilots were laid off. The rest of the employee groups took one year, three ? year and five year leaves, which at the end Delta must bring them back either by the end of their leave, or before... but since these people chose this, and are guranteed to be brought back at the end, I at least do not consider it being laid off.
I also don't believe Ron Allen would have sold the plane off, then leased it back (especialy after everyone else checked it out)
Wilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1158 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
well landings.com shows DL as the owner
N-number : N102DA
Aircraft Serial Number : 22214
Aircraft Manufacturer : BOEING
Model : 767-232
Engine Manufacturer : GE
Model : CF6-80 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1982
Owner Name : DELTA AIR LINES INC
Owner Address : HARTSFIELD ATLANTA INTL AIRPORT
ATLANTA, GA, 30320
Registration Date : 21-Mar-1983
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Exhibition
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3633 times:
The rest of the employee groups took one year, three ? year and five year leaves, which at the end Delta must bring them back either by the end of their leave, or before... but since these people chose this, and are guranteed to be brought back at the end, I at least do not consider it being laid off.
No, they are NOT guaranteed to be brought back at the end. That is the major sticking point. Delta must offer them any open positions at the time of expiry of the leave, but if there are no open positions within a fixed time frame (6 months I believe) then they are terminated involuntarily. Technically, Delta had zero layoffs of non-pilots. DALPA could also have avoided layoffs if they had accepted Dave Bushey's proposal of September 25 (which he explained in detail in one of his last memos on November 1 before stepping down), but Will Buergey decided to go the other way.
As far as ship 102 goes, I don't see any sale-leaseback transactions in the ownership history, but that is not to say that it did not occur. In the case of operating leases only does the actual title change hands, so its quite possible that an alternatively structured financing transaction took place.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3456 times:
I just saw it land in ATL and then taxi over to the TOC. Nothing special at all--same livery with the addition of "The Spirit Of Delta" in large fancy script just above the windows in the middle of the fuselage. A little disappointing in my opinion.
DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
To cease all of this nonsense about leasing, any Delta employee can tell you this plane was not leased. The employees in 1982 funded the plane, that is why it is special to Delta. My Mom helped pay for that plane!!!
--ORD, Thanks for the reply back, it is a good airline!!
Flydeltasjets From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3403 times:
You have posted your allegation on a number of different boards. It is both simplistic and incomplete.
Bushy made an offer to DALPA to attempt to avoid some furloughes using concessions. There is so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start, but I'll try.
#1. We were the only group who were asked to give concessions in exchange for mgt trying to avoid layoffs.
#2. We were the only group not offered voluntary layoffs.
#3. We were the only group who is not recieving benefits from mgt while we are off the payroll.
#4. We are the only unionized large workforce (coincidence?)
#5. Mgt. originally announced 1700 pilot furloughes. They asked for concessions based on that number. Let's assume that we gave them in exchange 900 jobs. That would leave 800 furloughs. Exactly the amount that mgt has furloughed. That's the whole problem with concessions. You may be giving up your hard-won contractual gains to save jobs which weren't even threatened in the first place.
#6. Our contract prohibits furloughs except in the event a circumstance beyond the company's control PREVENTS the company from flying airplanes. Nothing is preventing them from doing so. It is only for economic reasons that they have furloughed (granted, economic reasons brought on by a devastating event). We believe that these furloughs are illegal, despite what the arbitrator ruled.
#7. Mgt is buying 100's of rjs and transferring our flying to lower paid pilots. It is completely within "the company's control" to put those rjs at mainline and not furlough pilots. Will they do this? No. Why not? Economic reasons.
#8. Unlike many pilots lately, Delta pilots are proud of their accomplishments, experience, and qualifications, and feel we deserve to be well-compensated for them. Pilot salaries have fallen in real dollars in the last 20 years, and we think that trend should stop. We should be well-paid, and are too proud and committed to our profession to give away what we are worth.
#9. As a furloughed Delta pilot, I heartily endorse my union leadership's decision not to try to "buy" my job back by mortaging our futures. This has always been a wonderful job, I want it to still be that way when I return.
#10. Do you honestly not see a difference between the way the pilot group has been treated since 9/11 and the way every other (non-union) group has been treated?
25 Delta737: B747-437B Wow, I don't know where to start but you are wrong, wrong, wrong. But ditto to what FlyDeltaJets said. Flyboy777- Purchased, yes, but then l
26 DeltaBoy777: I have never heard of Spirit of Delta Past. You will have to show me that one!!
27 N102DA: Ship 102 is owned by Delta. The aircraft was the first 767-200 to have the CF6-80A engines (launch customer United's aircraft are JT9D powered) and pa
28 Strickerje: According to Delta's own website, all of Delta's 767-200's are owned, as seen here: http://www.delta.com/inside/investors/corp_info/fleet/index.jsp Ac
29 777-200: Will this be open to the public? Greg J.
30 Dalmd88: It's an employee only event. Free Cake and Ice Cream too, Oh Boy!
31 Wilcharl: I noticed that database is rarely updated, N103DA also is lsited as expermental. we had a 737 that was used in flt testing for hush kits that was list
32 Lindy field: Just saw a photo of ship 102 in the new livery. I like it. Looks very elegant.
33 Sxmarbury33: I was just wondering. Why did the employees buy a 762 anyway. Is it the employees personal plane for non rev excursions or something thats the only th
34 777-200: "If i was working for delta I dont see why I would chip in any amount of my paycheck to buy a 767 which the company already has a good number of" Sxma
35 Sxmarbury33: Oh it was the first? I still dont quite understand why the employees bought it i mean if they were buying a 767 to turn into a mobile childrens hospit
36 DeltaSFO: Here's a little background on Ship 102 for those who are curious as to why she's so special. I posted this on FlyerTalk a few months ago. In 1982, as
37 Fxra: As i recall, the employees all paid for the Spirit of Delta as a thankyou for the company not laying anyone off during economic troubles at the time.
38 Srbmod: I wish they would have done the widget outlined in gold like it used to be. Overall, not too bad looking, but they could have done more. They should h
39 2cn: B747-437B- Ummm.. you are wrong. As I remember from the papers my dad brought home (he works for Delta. has for 36 years now) that part of the whole d
40 HlywdCatft: How long did it take Delta to paint the aircraft in the new colors? I could have sworn it was Ship 102 I flew on June 11, 2002 from ATL to DTW and it
41 Jhooper: Mgt is buying 100's of rjs and transferring our flying to lower paid pilots. It is completely within "the company's control" to put those rjs at mainl
42 N839MH: FlyDeltasjets.... Wasn't it the pilots, the only group at Delta that called in sick for the most of the holiday season a couple years ago? If I rememb
43 Jhooper: N839MH, The pilots simply elected not to fly overtime (which is completely within their rights to do). The airline relies on this overtime flying to k
44 FlyPNS1: The DL pilots wanted to be the best paid and they are...however there was a price to pay for those high salaries. The DL pilots effectively gave up ma
45 L1011dal: It was nice to see the aircraft recognition at the employee event. I posted pictures from the event on my website at http://www.L1011.homestead.com if
46 Planefreak: Yes! The Spirit of Delta" is alive and well in my neck of the woods. Great job guys and gals planefreak
47 B747-437B: Flydeltasjets, Delta737, et al. Sorry for the delay in replying, but I've been on the road this past week. As you may or may not know, I have very lit