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Should Americans Only Fly US Carriers?  
User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

I thought this topic would get an interesting discussion going.

Do you think US citizens should exclusively support US carriers when given the choice of a foriegn carrier, in times of economic crisis??

My opinion is yes. If I'm flying DTW-FRA, I will give my business to NW and not to Lufthansa. Nothing against this fine German carrier, but I would feel better about supporting my hometown airline, which needs all the support it can get.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

Additionally, US carriers should only allow US citizens aboard their planes for security reasons. Yes, it may be inconvenient to others but the world has changed since September 11 and they should try to understand.

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Absolutely not.

The "American way" is to let competition actually compete, and to choose the product or service that best meets his/her needs (comfort, price, schedule, ammenities). If a non-US airline happens to meet those needs, then fly that one. It's called Capitalism, and it's what makes America "America".

The Communist way of doing things would be to fly an airline from your country (regardless of comfort, price, schedule, ammenities), because that is the airline you are "supposed" to fly.



User currently offlineRmenon From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jun 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

I also think that in these times US citizens should only fly on US carriers that utilize US airplanes and US engines.

No more flying on UAL, NWA, US, Jetblue etc for continuing to fly A320's in these economic times; AA and Delta for insisting on RR Trent engines etc when they could just as easily replaced or re-engined their aircraft.
 Insane


User currently offlineJfwjxn From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

I think that this topic is pure STUPIDITY. What if someone needs to get into inner Europe? Let's say Vienna...there isn't a US Carrier that flies into Vienna. Anybody who says this should buy products at the store that contain only US ingriedents, and are made in US factories. Stop using your computer RIGHT NOW! Because none of the parts are US made. There isn't anyway in the world we live in especially in the US that we can use only US products.

User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

Jfwjxn

My question was simply if you were given a CHOICE, between two carriers who fly the SAME route: one a US carrier, and one a foreign carrier. I appologize if I didn't make that clear in the original post.

Examples: JFK-LHR, ORD-FRA, LAX-NRT, just to name a few. Several US carriers are in grave financial trouble, which places thousands of US jobs in jeopardy. Every route flow by a foreign carrier in this country is duplicated by a US airline. Should we stand behind our American carriers in these times? This was the question.

Going into Eastern Europe, or other cities not served by US carriers is an entirely differnt matter.

And I don't think this is a "stupid" topic. This poses a legitimate question, and Im sure we'll hear some opposing and interesting perspectives.


User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Looking at this from a non-American perspective, I would fly on the airline that would provide the best value for money. Not the nationality of the flag carrier. Most of the world's major airlines are suffering right now, not just those in the US.

User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 461 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

Personally, I am going to fly whatever gives me the best service and best price. Given a choice between AA and Lufthansa, I would pick Lufthansa just because I like that airline better unless AA has a better price. Just being honest.

B747: That is the dumbest thing I have heard all week. Sorry, but it's true.
An airline that would allow only U.S. citizens to fly would be kicking itself in the foot by eliminating a lot of revenue from high paying international pax. Imagine the PR mess it would cause. What if every airline in the world did that? You certainly wouldn't be able to travel very far as an American citizen.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

B747: That is the dumbest thing I have heard all week. Sorry, but it's true.


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Americans should also only eat American cheese when faced with a choice of American or Swiss on Hamburgers.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6280 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

Given equal value and service, I always fly on the airline of the host country. Which means I always choose the non US carrier.

Sorry guys, but why fly NW to AMS when I can fly KLM or UA to SIN when SQ is available? The non US airlines, for the most part, make a person feel welcome. UA, AA, NW and DL have nice enough people but they just miss that little extra bit of welcome.

If I were truly lucky I'd be winging my way to Geneva on a Citation X right now. Sadly, my significant other won't ask her boss to let me on board. She's afraid that I'm "too countrified" for the executive set. Hell, I offered to bring an extra case of beer.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

It could only be the Americans to come up with a topic like this !!

Do you guys think your airlines provide great service ?? .... THEY DONT. I would take almost any carrier over a US carrier, the service is better and for sure the staff are better. What makes me laugh about ** most ** of these kind of topics is they come from young Americans that have never flown anything other then a US carrier !!

I've flown UA, DL and NW and they provided NOTHING to make me fly them again. (Well DL had a 727 that made me fly them !!)

The sad thing these days is why would anyone want to go to America ?, its an amazing place (Been twice) but hell why would I stand in massive lines, having my shoes and underwear checked to get in ??

I'll give it a year or two before I go back, I want to see Yosemite National Park again.... AMAZING.


User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

i just think we should fly any airline whenever and support the travel industry.
But i think we as american consumers should buy more american products. And as Airline CEO"S they should support Boeing to keep some of the 30,000 employees at boeing who got laid off. Maybe iam narrow minded but as an american we should be more concered about our fellow americans first. Those 30,000 laid off boeing wont be flying anytime soon without a job so airline ceo's should think about that before they buy their next plane.


User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

After 30+ years of flying American carriers, I think I've done my share! That's why I'm looking forward to flying Virgin when I go to Europe this year.


User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

Hkgspotter1 said: "The sad thing these days is why would anyone want to go to America ?"

And a few sentences later he said: "I want to see Yosemite National Park again.... AMAZING"

Hmmmmm...possibly a bit of schizophrenia??


User currently offlineCrazyboi From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

I'd have to say that I feel there's no value in supporting an inferior American product (I'm not suggesting that all US airlines are bad, but my experiences on Intl carriers have been much better).

For example, why would I reward United, who I feel haven't been treating their customers very well, when I could invest my money in a better travel product.

--> This whole concept is flawed, because it assumes that an airline is inherently worthwhile (worth preserving), because it is American. I'd much rather see carriers like Singapore or Lauda or Emirates take over US markets than give my money to a US airline in a merely patriotic effort. Capitalism is not just an American institution.



This is the time. And this is the record of the time.
User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

Hey Hkgspotter1, don't bother coming to the US, because we don't need you.


Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

why should American presidents only ride around in American-made Cadillacs and Lincolns? The president should be able to have a 2003 Mercedes S600 Pullman... not the current crappy Caddy...

while we're at it, perhaps the next Air Force One should be the Airbus A380...  Big grin


User currently offlineBarcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Oh don't be so ridiculous. Stating American citizens should only fly American carriers does not increase safety standards. If you remember, the hijackers had American passports, as do many other undesirable types.

As a twenty something on a tight budget - I'll fly with whoever is offering the cheapest price. This year it has been Virgin Atlantic over American, and when I fly to Philadelphia in October - it'll be with whoever I can afford. I do not have the luxury of choosing who I can fly with simply because they are American or not.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

The day American carriers can provide service that comes close to the superior service that most European and Asian carriers have is the day I will fly them over others. I do think AA offers excellent trans-Atlantic service, and Delta is decent, but they still just don't compare to Swiss, British Airways, and others. Blame the American airlines for not having on par service.


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User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

I allways go for the better value no matter what. Plus evey other airlines service is better than any American airline coiuld ever hope to be.


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

No more flying on UAL, NWA, US, Jetblue etc for continuing to fly A320's in these economic times

You may be making a facetious comment but I have actually heard this argument made in a letter to the editor in our state newspaper. The author stated that he and his family would not fly jetBlue because of the fact that they fly the A320 rather than flying "American." The utter stupidity of certain people is amazing! Besides, I wonder if this guy has any idea that Airbus' are composed of many American parts while Boeings are composed of a great deal of foreign parts?



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User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

i agree on the service aspect of us carriers vs forgein carriers...

User currently offlineCrazyboi From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

On the other hand, some people in this thred have demonstrated their ignorance by automatically dismissing the US, which hasn't really aided the discussion. I think that people --from everywhere -- need to bring a little more logic and respect to these forums.


This is the time. And this is the record of the time.
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6280 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7577 times:

OK, to those that missed my typo. I meant KLM to AMS, not SIN. I guess I could fly KL to SIN though. Might be a bit of extra travel though.

The point is that the non US carriers have service levels that NW or TW had 30 years ago.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
25 David_mx : Just fly the one with the best service at the best price. And leave that stupid and idiot arguments like "we don't need you", "we are the best", "Amer
26 Arrow : Americans should fly only on American carriers flying American-built planes? Ask yourself what would happen to the world's economy if every nationalit
27 Nonrevman : Cast my vote along with the best value or schedule crowd. If the fare and times are approximately equal, I might actually try the foreign carrier just
28 Planeguy : This topic takes the grand prize for STUPIDITY! We as customers have the right to choose and no one is going to decide what I should do. US carriers d
29 Jaysit : Americans should only fly American carriers (and American planes). The French should only fly the Concorde. The British should only fly the Comet. Ger
30 Spark : In a word "NOOOOOOOOOO!" I always get upset with this crap about being patriotic, and therefore accepting an inferior product. You should go with the
31 Lhuaaua : Hmmmm...now what should Americans fly if they only realized that not every part in an engine or plane itself is Made in America? I guess that would le
32 Udo : Once more again it shows a very limited kind of thinking of many Americans... The whole world should buy American products but the Americans should on
33 Hamad : gosh, so because an american carrier flies only airbus! people wouldnt want to fly them? reminds me of a guy i talked to online for a while, whenever
34 ZRH : I think this one of the most stupid posts I ever read. Perhaps there are more Europeans flying US airlines than US citizens flying on European airline
35 Post contains images Keesje : This could be extended to only american cars, wine, food, holidays, etc. No more Mercedes, Sony, Champagne & Harrods. Man that would be a step forward
36 BlueShamu330s : Great idea US nationals fly only US airlines. Let's see all the US carriers bleat at the next downturn or unusual event when the paranoid US travel ma
37 Post contains images Hkgspotter1 : GOD BLESS AMERICA
38 Cx flyboy : If all Americans flew American carriers, do you think for a moment that the FA's would show appreciation of what you were doing? No. Would service inc
39 Marco : hkgspotter1 grow up. I don't usually fly on any american airline because the service is usually substandard. When I'm paying with my own money service
40 Ryanair!!! : NOW NOW BOYS... HOW CAN A NW-BASHER NOT ADD ANYTHING TO THIS POST? AMERICA CARRIERS ARE FINE... SOME AMERICANS ARE USED TO THE KIND OF SERVICE THEY RE
41 Eugdog : As a very pro-American Brit, I find that US Air and American are better then any European airline across the Atlantic. They have the most leg room, be
42 OO-AOG : And should European only fly EC carriers? Is that what you call the land of free? Can't believe there's so much protectionist in the US, very sad inde
43 Post contains images Udo : Just one more thing on the crap about flying only American airlines which use only American engines and so on: That would mean you must nearly stop fl
44 Donder10 : Dr.DTW, this is a free market issue.Until recently the US has been very pro-free market,very pro-compeitition.However Mr Bush seems to have gone back
45 Swissgabe : Weird topic... Should every Thai fly Thai, ever Australian only Australian Airlines, every Russian only Russian planes etc? I could make a topic: "Sho
46 Post contains images Britair : It is scary to see America thinking more and more along these lines in all they do and say. What is happening to the land of the free? Dont worry thou
47 Post contains images Bmi : I think everyone should be proud of their national airline and/or aircraft maker and should NOT spend time wasting breath on slagging off other countr
48 Lukebaker : Of course everyone should be proud of their national airline but I don't see why you should only use your national carrier. US Carriers are far from p
49 Lukebaker : Why would u want to support Boeing over Airbus. On short haul routes, Airbus has the far more comfortable and superior plane. Roylls Royce is by far t
50 Krushny : I just made my mind, I will only fly Spanish airlines with Spanish planes. Let me see, Malaga-Melilla was flown with a CN-235, great. But wait a minu
51 Sabena332 : It is scary to see America thinking more and more along these lines in all they do and say. It is not scary, it is funny! Patrick
52 Post contains images RMenon : Udo, That would mean you must nearly stop flying at all because almost all American carriers use many European parts on their aircraft, even the ALL-B
53 Braniff727 : Well I for one am glad the many you Europeans, who are obviously much more intelligent that us Americans have put us in our place. I'm so happy that t
54 Post contains images Keesje : Hmm, the Americans I know from LA, Minnesota, Boston and Houston are friendly /smart. But that can be coincidence of course
55 N79969 : I think Dr. DTW was asking an odd but sincere question. Like many others, I believe that Americans and everyone else should fly any airline that gives
56 Post contains images Keesje : Hmm, I hope is was not coincidence ...
57 Nik : Braniff, remember what you wrote in the beginning of your post...? "I'm so happy that the opinions of SOME people on this board represent ALL American
58 Post contains images SQ772 : The things the Americans say never fail to amaze me. I just returned from a trip to the US some weeks back. During that time, I had the opportunity to
59 Andreas : ..except your line of argumentation is extremely similar to that of Udo. You do not know much about economy, globalisation and so on, now do you? Beca
60 Braniff727 : Nik, Please show me in my post where I mention ALL Europeans. I do believe that in the very first sentence I addressed MANY Europeans, no Europeans or
61 AOMlover : The only way to realize what the infinite is is to realize how stupid humans can be. Oh my god this topic is really crazy. Dr.DTW, what about leaving
62 NDSchu777 : If you can get a better deal or better service on a foreign airline, fly with them. If the American airline is doing a better job fly with them. Don't
63 Parra : The trouble is it's very hard to buy an American product anymore. Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler are now German. Lot's of the parts of Boeing planes are mad
64 Nik : Braniff, but you also wrote this: "This is the precise reason that I do not want to travel around the world. I get discriminated against for allegedly
65 Post contains links and images Turbulence : Krushny wrote: "I just made my mind, I will only fly Spanish airlines with Spanish planes. Let me see, Malaga-Melilla was flown with a CN-235, great.
66 Arsenal@LHR : Like most sensible people, i will fly on the most convenient and cheapest option (aircraft type also plays a part). I do not choose it over nationalit
67 Braniff727 : Nik, I certainly do not have problems with non-Americans. I am intrigued by all cultures, and do genuinely want to see and experience them. I am not,
68 DutchWings : It's just that Americans think the world outside America is not as good as in their own country and that thought is so funny because I can think of be
69 Braniff727 : No DutchWings, Some Americans do. Not all.
70 Joni : In many coutries, there's been a culture of "supporting the local industry" in the past. This has the unintended effect of weakening the competitiven
71 Udo : N79969, I won't comment much. But just one thing: when you read my post carefully you should see that I'm just referring to the opinions of SOME peopl
72 Travelin man : I love it. Approximately ONE American said, "Yes, I would fly American airlines over foreign carriers." IMMEDIATELY, the post denigrates into an orgy
73 N79969 : Udo, I read your post carefully - twice. You bash the USA. All of us. In the future, substitute the names of people rather than the entire country. Be
74 Udo : Travelin Man, Believe me, it is not a single opinion Dr.DFW has presented...I have been in that forum more than two years now and there have been many
75 Woodsboy : Ha ha!!!! How utterly absurd, of course not! I am glad this post got one star, although I dont think it deserves even that!
76 Post contains images Nik : "The point I am trying to make is that I, as are many Americans like me, tired of being lumped in the "Stupid, Ignorant, Arrogant" American stereotype
77 Udo : N79969, especially for you: if my post may have been understood as an insult of all Americans, I'm very sorry about it! I can ensure you, I was only r
78 Travelin man : Udo, no, actually the comments were presented to "many" or "all" or "most" Americans, not just "certain" people. I don't care if you have problems wit
79 Jaysit : Most Americans may not know where Yangon or Denpasar is, but we do make the best ice cream in the world. Our President may not be as smart as that of
80 Post contains images AOMlover : Peace. Love. One world, humans.
81 Rlwynn : At least we Americans are smart enough that we dont have to have some scocialst government hold our hands the whole time while taking most of our inco
82 RickB : true, we just get free schooling and health care.
83 Braniff727 : Nik, I certainly didn't take anything personally, rather wanted to defend myself from the generalizations made by some members. I don't like to mentio
84 Rlwynn : "true, we just get free schooling and health care." So did I. Got good marks in school so college was paid for. Now my job gives me free health insura
85 N79969 : Jaysit pointed out the great things about America: ice cream, good schools, 747s, and fat people. Brings a tear to my eye. Udo, In your post, just rem
86 Udo : Travelin man and N79969, I know I used "many Americans", and I commit it was a mistake in the heat of discussion. It should have been "some". But as I
87 N79969 : Udo, You misunderstood me or I was unclear. I meant that you attacked all Americans-- not all people. I suggested inserting another nation just to sho
88 Travelin man : Actually, Udo, I wasn't singling you out in particular. I just didn't think the outbursts in general were fair based on the responses by most American
89 Post contains images Manni : How funny! If the rest of the American people would be similar narrow minded I'm afraid that only American people would want to fly US airlines. How a
90 B747-437B : How about all Americans stay on American soil and all American carriers only fly to American destinations That is ridiculous. How could Americans go t
91 Post contains images Manni : B747-437B, Calm Down, perhaps YOU should think before you post. This reply is only a parodie on the very ridiculous topic discussed here.
92 Brons2 : This thread should be deleted. It's totally denigrated into childish generalizations and name calling.
93 Arsenal@LHR : Why can't we all discuss aviation without patriotism, prejudice, jealousy and greed? I think a lot of people suffer from these symptoms. Europe and Am
94 Manni : Yes delete it, this thread must have been the most stupid one ever posted.
95 Ual777contrail : that is what makes this world so much fun,the diversity. i know many brits who prefer UNITED over BRITISH AIRWAYS and many americans who will only fly
96 Flyboy36y : My oppinion: I fly AA in the US, but if I travel to anoher country I fly a OneWorld carrier because US airlines have "joke-service". I think it should
97 B-HXB : Americans should fly whatever the hell they want to fly. If they want to fly US carriers, so be it... I DON'T CARE. Just don't get on my flight and st
98 Acidradio : First of all, if you are an American and you choose to fly a foreign carrier, it is possible that someone from another country may fly on a US carrier
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