EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1793 times:
A Trainee ATC nearly got a Fokker 50 of KLM shot down by the army yesterday. I forgot how but it was something to do with training on Salisbury plain, but I don't know how that has to do with anything (maybe it was the airforce???).
Apparently whoever saw the aircraft on the radar and stopped everything.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7586 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
EGGD, I think there's an army firing range on Salisbury Plain
Squigee, I'm surpised it made it as an alert on CNN. Anyone, one correction to make, which I forgot to do on my thread, is that it must have been the LX 374 from BSL and not ZRH, registration HB-JAW. The BA flight will have been the BA 4171 registration unknown!
Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1734 times:
I'm sure you could argue that I am a bit biased, but I think it's funny how mistakes by ATC get so much more attention. Especially if the word "trainee" is in the report. Wish they would report every time a good, experienced controller bails out a student pilot!!
Case in point, I'll never forget the day I watched one of our controllers notice that an F-15 student was almost over the threshold with NO GEAR DOWN. The controllers quick reaction saved Uncle Sam a $40 million write-off as the student lit his burners with few seconds to spare.
"Funny how free beer shows up at the office when something like that happens!"
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7215 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
At CGK, trainee ATC gets the red-eye shift doing cargo flight approaches and departures. Once.... at 4am... *This is not an official transcript, but by memory*
FX: "Jakarta Approach, Fedex 9516, at 3000 heading 220, we're declaring emergency we need a left vector back north over the sea, we can't turn right onto the localizer"
JA: "FedEx9516, understood, proceed to airfield"
FX: "Errr, we can't make the right turn to the runway. We need to go out to sea and recycle the computers"
JA: "Understood, proceed to airfield"
FX: "Listen God Damn it! You understand what I'm sayin' ? I can't turn the damn thing to the right, can we make a left turn back to the north or not ? otherwise I'll end up in your neighbour's house!"
JA: "Understood Fedex9516, you are cleared to land any runway"
FX: (a different voice) "*& *@head! All stations, FedEx9516, 10DME from 25L, making LEFT TURN NORTH in emergency"
JA: "FedEx9516, Please proceed to the airfield, there is no traff..." Xmission was cut and...
JA Supervisor: "FedEx 9516, this is the duty supervisor, you are cleared to go anywhere up to 30 miles into the sea, remain under 10,000."
FX: "Alelluya, Thank you sir, we've just about fixed it, still on 350 heading at 3000"
about 45 seconds later...
FX: "Jakarta Approach, problem is solved and we're back to normal, errr, we can take a left turn to 195 and intercept 25L from there."
JA Sup: "FedEx9516, Understood that as back to normal"
FX: "Yes Sir!"
JA Sup: "FedEx9516, descend to 1500 heading 220, that will make it quicker, I'm really sorry about the trainee. Contact tower when established."
Early hour arrivals into CGK = Danger on the hands of trainee ATCs on some nights. You can hear some weird occurences like "Singapore 9925, errrr, we can't make the approach, you'll put us errrr... about 5,000 feet over the outer market, can we do a tight 360 to go down further?"
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !