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Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?  
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Hey I was wondering why only NWA fly to Manila nowadays. I remembered back in the early 90's United and Continental use to fly there. By the way Continental Micronesia fly's to Manila. But im still wondering why UA dropped its US-Narita-Manila service. NW always fills up its US-Narita-Manila service.

Just thinking about this on alliance stand point, Wings gets there by NW, One World gets there with CX, SKY gets there with KE, but how about STAR, how does it get there from the US. hmmm, thats not good youll have to fly to SIN, or BKK, before getting there, but probably now they have OZ.

It would be nice to see UA back to MNL, and maybe DL and AA start new service there. for AA a LAX/SFO-HNL-MNL would be great or maybe a direct LAX/SFO-MNL.

well what do you guys think

BTW UPS and Fed Ex also serve MNL.

drew


AMS-LAX-MNL
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User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

>>>"BTW UPS and Fed Ex also serve MNL."

Nope. UPS hubs at Clark. FedEX at Subic.

Angeles City (Fields Ave) rocks, but it couldn't hold a candle to Olongapo in the good old days--but I digress.

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Won't be any demand for CONUS--MNL flights unless the economy continues to improve. Especially with PAL in better financial conditions, it won't make too much sense at this time to compete with the national carrier. Most of the PAX in and out of MNL are filippino and are very loyal to their flag carrier.

BTW, have you ever tried to get to Guam from the west coast? There are no non-stop flights. As I recall, you go through HNL.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16280 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

The Philippine economy is bad, so there is not much business traffic there. The yield is low as the market is primarily VFR.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSeagull From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

FedEx hubs in SFS but we do have several flights/day into MNL as well.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2514 times:

Manilla- Narita?

I know Northwest does a MNL-NGO (Nagoya)-DTW daily flight, but wasnt aware of also one between Tokyo and Manilla


User currently offlineJFK742 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2512 times:

NW Fl#72 MNL-DTW (via NGO) 744 every day
NW Fl#28 MNL-NRT 744 every day


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2496 times:

As you said so yourself, Continental Micronesia flies to Manila. That makes two US carriers flying to Manila. Yields are not that great, but I'm sure Northwest enjoys the profits, because they have 5th freedom for Nagoya and Narita, and they are the only US carrier there. Others would have a harder time finding succsess. And how about the fact that, somebody correct me if I am wrong, there are no flights between Manila and London?


a.
User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2432 times:

What does VFR operations have to do with it?

Anyhow, United doesn't serve MNL because it would fill up with non-revs. There are a lot of Filipinos at United, espeically at SFO and LAX, and to a lesser extent, ORD, and Filipinos are known for going home very often.

I know I would non-rev on that flight in an instant, if not for my seniority being destroyed by the horde of other employees who would surely go every single day!


User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

With Star Alliance you can get there from the US via KIX transferring to TG.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

The large military population at Clark and Subic are now gone as well. That cannot help.

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2346 times:


VFR in this case stands for Visting Friends & Relatives not clear air
conditions or visual flight rules.....



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently offlineAeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Star has services to Manila with All Nippon don't they? Or am I wrong?

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

All nippon doesnt fly to MNL. as for flights from MNL-LHR/LGW doesnt exist any more. PAL dropped LGW flights when it was hit by the strike a couple of years back. so you can get there though with either KL, GF, EK, TG, SQ, CX, AF or almost any other carrier that flies to MNL.

btw thanks for all the response

drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Is it just me, or is Deltawolfs comments ridiculous and idiotic?

Continental


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

You're right! UAL flying to MNL would be nice (either via NRT, HKG or SIN). But currently the only Star Alliance airlines that fly to MNL are Thai and Singapore Airlines. And the only "direct" flights to MNL from US mainland are PAL's flights from LAX and YVR. The LAX route stops at HNL for a service stop however. And the NW flights from NRT are always full and are usually passnegers coming from the midwest, as opposed to the PAL flights who are mainly composed of passengers coming from the West coast.

As far as AA starting the LAX-HNL-MNL route, I think most Filipinos woudl still fly PAL on the exact same route based on loyalty alone. Also there is no way that AA could compete with PAL fares on that route. Incidentally, the farthest a dedicated AA flyer can fly to would be NRT and then switch over to another airline to MNL.



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

DL to MNL eventually? DL has not been the most sucessful US carrier in Asia.....So that's a LONG way down the road.....

Ditto an earlier point: CO Micronesia is part of CO to the best of my knowledge (afterall they thought of selling it in the early 90's during the days of desperation, they can't sell something that's not theirs) and CO is a US carrier as well.....


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Trickijedi says:
And the NW flights from NRT are always full...

Funny you should mention that. I dropped off a friend who was taking the NW flight from JFK-NRT. It seemed that 90+% of those waiting for that flight were Filipino.


User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

I do miss those UA flights to MNL from NRT. I flew on that route back in 94 when I was 5 and which guided the way for me to the world of airlines and airliners. Back to topic I would think it would be good that some other US carriers would do flights to MNL and give me more variety of airlines to chose to fly to MNL.


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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Rai,
Hehe. I beleive you on that statement! I seriously think that most Filipinos believe that there are only two ways to get to the Philippines - via PAL or NW. Big grin And if their home airport isn't served by PAL, they are automatically programmed to fly NW. I used to fly NW from ORD-NRT-MNL and everytime I fly that route close to 90% of the passengers are usually Filipino. I, personally, try to avoid that route now. I'll take United every chance I get to fly to Asia.



Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlinePlanelover From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

And the only "direct" flights to MNL from US mainland are PAL's flights from LAX and YVR. The LAX route stops at HNL for a service stop however.

They don't fly from SFO anymore? They have to stop for service at HNL now? Why is that? I flew on PAL back in 1997, and I flew non-stop SFO-MNL on a 744. I then flew back MNL-LAX non-stop on a 744. Didn't they use to fly out of Washington? I was just curious about that.
Have fun.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

PAL flies MNL-GUM, MNL-LAX-HNL-MNL, and MNL-YVR-SFO.


a.
User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2006 times:

Planelover,
Actually, PAL's other US mainland "direct" flight to MNL is SFO-MNL but it also has the technical stop in HNL. So the total would make it LAX, SFO and YVR. The SFO-MNL flight used to be a true direct flight without the stop in HNL but now they have added the technical stop there to refuel for the long flight back home. I think there used to be weight restrictions back then whereas now they try to pack up the plane as full as possible. As far as PAL flying to Washington DC in the past, I am not sure about that. But I know they used to serve ORD.



Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1999 times:

Doesn't NW still fly MNL-KIX. At one time there were 3 NW flights a day from MNL everyday. 7am-NGO, 8:20am-NRT, 9:30am-KIX. UA left MNL because they couldn't compete with PR fares and there were very few fare paying PAX in the front.

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1998 times:

PAL also used to serve JFK, but by codeshare with TWA. I asked an NWA gate agent once about the flight to NRT. She told me that the flight is always jammed packed everyday and almost all of the passengers are Filipino. I didn't think New York had such a large Filipino community?

User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1994 times:

I forgot to mention that PR did fly to ORD. They had 747's that stopped in LAX, HNL, SFO depending on which day of the week. This was in the 80's. They also had a leased MD-11 from World that flew EWR-YVR-MNL with a sometimes fuel stop at ANC in the 90's. PR never had scheduled flights to JFK or IAD with their own planes.

25 Greg : The Phillipines is still classified as a war risk area. Flights may be limited due the stringent (and prohibitely expensive) insurance costs. I know t
26 Sq_ek_freak : I also wish that UA could return to Manila!...I remember flying UA from SFO via Seoul on UA 808...as far as I remember though, United operated flights
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