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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 21625 times:

Hello all,

x SN Brussels Airlines is planning to add three new B737-700's and two new B737-800's to their fleet. With those Next Generation Boeings, they will be able to fly to medium haul destinations like Athens, Lisbon,...

x SN Brussels Airlines declared yesterday on TV that they are not interested in a coöperation with Sobelair. SLR, which will also receive new B737-800's, also wants to start new medium haul destinations like Athens, Tel Aviv,...

I hope that this will not end in a commercial war between these two...

Regards,
Frederic

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User currently offlineBrusselssouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21406 times:

Doesn't SNBA fly A319/A320s anymore ?

User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21394 times:


Brusselssouth,

Maybe I'm getting you wrong but as far as I know SNBA never flew A319/A320s!  Confused  Sad

Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineBrusselssouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21396 times:

I know this, I meant those from Sabena

Brusselssouth


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21379 times:


Brusselssouth,

SNBA only flies BAe 146 / RJ85 / RJ 100

Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineBrusselssouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21357 times:

Thanks for the information, SN-A330.
With this in mind, it makes sense for SNBA to buy 737-NGs.

Regards
Brusselssouth


User currently offlineKenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21343 times:

Great!! When do you think they'll be included in the fleet? When the contract with VEX is ended?

Greetz,
Kenny


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21324 times:

Actually quite a stupid decision when you consider that there are still many former SN-A32X pilots out there, hoping for a job. But hey - when did they ever make a good decision?

Regards
Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlinePothiabs From United States of America, joined May 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21295 times:

The decision to operate a certain aircraft should be based on the operating cost and target market, and not on the availability of type-rated pilots.

A training cost (one-time expense) is nothing compared to a possible higher operating cost for many years to come.

Maybe DAT did make a good homework after all when comparing the 737 with 320 family......But that's where it ends.

DAT can't even fill up an AVro 85, how would they possibly want to fill up a 737-700 or 800 ? Oh, sorry, I forgot : the Government is buying the empty seats until election day...

My impression about their statement is that after the announcement from VEX and SLR that they will expand with 737-NGs, DAT is only trying to play a little media-game here : intimidating the competition and at maybe giving Boeing the excuse to ask higher prices for their 737s to VEX and SLR. (higher demand means higher price).



User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 21268 times:

I am a bit shocked that they went 737 over A320. I thought they would have wanted to keep fleet commonality.

Regarding Sobelair- that is a shame. I think had SLR and SNBA agreed to a partnership, this would have solidified their #1 spot over VG.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 21226 times:

This comes as a surprise to me. Since a few days a couple A32S are parked in front of the DAT hangar, it looked that they were getting them ready for SNBA. I'll have to see these 737NG's flying first before I believe this. IMO they should have stayed with Airbus as their partner Birdie already operates the A330, and wasn't cocpit commonality very cost saving. How can it be cheaper to lease/buy new 737 aircarftthan to take over SN's Airbusses. Not only the pilots are qualified for those airbusses biut also largest share of new groundequipment was bought to handle Airbusses.


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User currently offlineKenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21191 times:

* At first, they should look at operating costs and buying or leasing price of the aircraft.

* After that, they can look at qualiflied personnel for them, although we have much pilots for Airbusses in Belgium, I think we should also note that there are Boeing pilots in Belgium, Sabena had flewn the B737 until its bankruptcy. (I don't know for sure if they may fly the B737NG).

* About ground equipment they shouldn't worry (I can be wrong), since ground handling isn't in their hands anymore.

* I must also say that Manni has a bit of right, they're partner (which were rumours of taking the African flights in own hands if they make money within the next year), that they should buy Airbusses to have the same fleet.

* Pothiabs, I don't really agree with what you say as loadfactor, the last thing I heard was that they had a loadfactor of 60%, that's rather good I think, but I don't think that's the point why the need the planes: if they want to restart destinations like Athens, they should buy new planes, since the AVRO's don't make it to there.

Greetz,
Kenny


User currently offlineKenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21167 times:

* I really think that the breaking of a codeshare with Sobelair isn't a good idea. There are so much airlines in Belgium now (for such a small country), I think they should work together a bit more then now.

Greetz,
Kenny


User currently offlineKenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21181 times:

And yet another thing:
http://80.65.128.101/press/press.php?language=nl&id=28

The new uniforms of SN Brussels, I know its a small picture  Smile

Greetz,
Kenny


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21163 times:

x An Airbus A32F is much more expensive to operate. Why? The weight of the aircraft!! When you land with an A320, you have to pay more landing fees than when you land with a B737

x Sabena (Technics) has always had a Boeing reputation. They changed to Airbus because they had to change from the Swissair management, although the Boeing 737 was the best and cheapest decision

x Now, after the dissapearance of the Boeing 737 from the Belgian market (just VEX uses them), Boeing wants again a strong feet in the Belgian market. I don't have details about the price that SNBA will pay for those NG Boeings, but I am sure that the price will be very low!!

x In my eyes, they have to sign a code share agreement with SLR, but the problem is that the SNBA management promissed to the Avro pilots that they could fly the medium haul fleet, if there should come a medium haul fleet. So if SNBA should say now that not the SNBA pilots may do the medium haul destinations, but SLR, this would end in a war under the pilots. The SNBA pilots were promissed that they should fly the B737. So they are furious now that SLR takes their work away...

x And this is a rumour I heard: at the moment, there are no B737 pilots and A32F captains available anymore on the Belgian market. So, whether they take the A32F or B737, they have to retrain their pilots. And like already mentioned, they are going to take Avro-BAe pilots, so pilots from their own, so they have to be retrained anyway. And this costs a lot of money!!

I hope they will use their brains.

If I make some mistakes on what I wrote above, please correct me.

@Brusselssouth:

SNBA never flew with the A32F. SN Brussels Airlines = DAT Airlines, the regional partner of Sabena. Sabena was the owner of the shares of DAT, but DAT never had something to do with the Airbus aircrafts of Sabena. At the time of the bankruptcy of Sabena (the 7th of November), DAT only had some Avro RJ100's (97 seats), Avro RJ85's (82 seats) and some British Aerospace 146-200 aircrafts (84 seats).

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21148 times:


Hi Kenny,

There is another topic about the uniforms. You can find it here : http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/861755/

Thanks to Luchtzak for taking the great pictures!

Regards, SN-A330




I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineKenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21077 times:

@ SN-A330

Thx for informing, didn't notice that topic :$

Greetz,
Kenny


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 21052 times:

I don't think, that the weight difference between the A319/A320 and the B737/B738 would make the A320 "much more expensive to operate". The slightly lower fuel consumption of the A32s would for example be an advantage of the A319/A320 solution. Capital costs for 2nd hand A32s should also be lower.

Just a few thoughts

Gerardo



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 21015 times:

Thanks for your thoughts Gerardo.

But an additional advantage of the B737, is probably the price that SNBA payed for them.

Boeing wants to come back on the Belgian market, and wants to pay a price for that.

Are there insiders here that have financial reports about the price that SNBA payed?

Regards,
Frederic



User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 21019 times:

This would mean, that Boeing sells 5 B737 at lower prices prices than 2nd hand A320??


Gerardo



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 21015 times:

This would mean, that Boeing sells 5 B737 at lower prices prices than 2nd hand A320??

I don't know, the only thing I know is that Boeing is trying to come back to the Belgian market.

I hope that some insiders can give some more financial details.

Regards,
Frederic




User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20999 times:

First: Is the belgian market that important to start a fierce battle? I doubt a little bit, given the fleet size of the Belgian airlines.

Second: Isn't Boeing already on the Belgian market? -> VEX, SLR

Gerardo



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20985 times:
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Wait wait, we should wait such an order is confirmed and officialy signed !!!

Of course, such news is not a big surprise, I already mentioned it a few weeks ago.

Just wait & see !!

FB.



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20959 times:

Don't forget that we had an enourmous Boeing reputation in Belgium already for years. Look at Sabena (before the A320-series), SN Technics, SLR,...

SN was one of the first European carriers to buy the B707,...

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20945 times:

Pothiabs, or shall i say Guv or Ceilidh??,

You are talking nonsense here, and you know it.

As for pilot availability, I can confirm that most ex. SN pilots are now back in the air, only a couple of 320 rated co´s remain.

by the way, does anyone know a nice bar in Yerevan?



Shiek!
25 Sabena 690 : Ceillidh = Pothiabs? This explains a lot! /Frederic
26 Flying Belgian : @ A330: What are the latests VG load factors ??? FB.
27 Pressclub : x Sorry to say so, but I read a lot of nonsense here. Wait and see what SN Brussels is going to do. I agree with Flying Belgian. Nothing has been deci
28 Post contains images Sabena 690 : x Why SN Brussels must go for fleet commonality? The operator of the Airbus 330 is Birdy, that's another company with own pilots. So for SN Brussels t
29 Gerardo : SN690: "- I read in the tech/ops forum that an Airbus A320 is more expensive to operate than a B737. " So, all those operators of some thousand A32s s
30 Pressclub : Frederic, be very careful in jumping to conclusions. You don't have the real facts in your position to judge what is the right decision for SN Brussel
31 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Thanks for the answers Gerardo and Pressclub. It is in this way of discussing that we can come to interesting conclusions Regards, Frederic
32 Sabena 690 : Here is some more news I just read in the FET: - SNBA expects to be break even in the 4th quarter - The number of passengers which pay high tarifs is
33 Post contains links and images Established02 : Good morning, More competition ahead for SNBA. http://www.brusselsairport.be/timetables/ During the summer season (and beyond?) ALX will operate a sec
34 Sabena 690 : This morning there was a flight of Cameroon Airlines as far as I remember. And Hewa Bora with a 2nd flight to BRU, do you think guys that this flight
35 Post contains images Pressclub : x So Davies says 'nothing new': all this info was already put in the topic about SN Brussels some weeks ago. I am satisfied that my colleagues didn't
36 GKirk : Anyone know how the NCL-BRU route is doing now, after a poor start? To get back to Sabena levels on this route and other feeder routes, SNBA really do
37 Myself : If DAT claims to get load factors above 60% and that yields increase, how come then I saw the Turin-Brussels flight last week leave on a weekday morni
38 Post contains images GKirk : That flight with only 2 passengers might only have been a one-off and the rest of the flights full
39 Myself : Possible, At this occasion it was fairly easy to do the headcount, but the charge of the lugage carts all over Europe tell the same story : low loads.
40 Pressclub : Myself, I agree 100 pct with you. I have the same experience when i am abroad. For exemple in Barcelona, the counter was last month still a 'DAT' coun
41 Com3205 : Hi Myself How are you,long time no see. For SNBA the real loadfactor is around 44%(or was). It's just like you say no PR (but new uniforms?) The spiri
42 Flying Belgian : @ Com3205: Just like many ex-Sabéniens, I can feel a bit of jealousy and even understandable frustration in your statements. *I just want to let you
43 SAS23 : I am most definitely NOT Porthiabs!! Some reality here: 1) There's well over 1,000 airliners parked at the moment and lessees are falling over themsel
44 Spitfire : Well Neil I agree 120% with you!! Like Com3205 said: lots of things will happen next year after the vote... Rgds Spitfire
45 Com3205 : Dear flying Belgian First of all there is nothing to be jealous of, I've got a nice flying job in a company I believe that still will be on the market
46 Sabena 690 : To Com3205 and Myself, You both seem to be SNBA insiders. What you say is rather pessimistic than optimistic. I would appreciate it if you both should
47 Myself : Frederic, OK, working on it.
48 Sabena 690 : Thanks for the time you put in it Myself! It is much appreciated! Regards, Frederic
49 A330 : Flying Belgian, JFK flights, seems to progress now to about 80 pax. per flight BOS around 60 at the moment No idea about the Yerevan and LAX ones, but
50 Airbuspilot : It is true loadfactor went up but.... this is the result of grounding half of the RJ fleet during the weekend so they are not flying. And remember , a
51 Com3205 : Airbuspilot CONGRATULATIONS with the job !!!! Hear you soon in the air.
52 Groholsky : *Airbuspilot* This is a little bit off topic but when are you starting and on wich a/c ?
53 Airbuspilot : Starting next week on the .... A300B4! It will be quit a big shock for me being used to the full glass cockpit of the A320. Back to the dials and gaug
54 Post contains images SN-A330 : Airbuspilot, That's great news and... many happy landings ! Best regards, SN-A330
55 Groholsky : you are starting with the gnd course or you completed that one already ?
56 Post contains links Gaut : >The average revenues/passenger is increasing
57 Flying Belgian : I've seen Behrouz Shahabakpour on TV tonight at RTBF. Ex-Sabena pilot and now seems to be on the A300 as well. He was commenting the crash of last nig
58 Airbuspilot : Shabahpour certainly is not flying at EAT! "I guess all those fly for DHL....." What is that supposed to mean Flying Belgian? Please explain because i
59 MD-11er : Hi everybody. I don't understand what you mean either, with that rare statement. BTW: By my knowing Shahabpour is flying or will start flying for Euro
60 Airbuspilot : Thats exactly what I tought as well...Eurofly A330 Still waiting Flying Belgian.....
61 MD-11er : I just watched the news on RTBF, it was certainly not Berhouze but a spokesman of DHL. Flying Belgian we are still waiting too understand what you mea
62 Flying Belgian : Calm down Airbuspilot !!! I just watched the news tuesday at 19.30 on RTBF and Behrouz was guest to give his view on the accident involving the Tupole
63 Airbuspilot : Grow up!!!! It was not that remarke that WE did not like, it was your sentence: "I guess all those oilots are at DHL" or something like that. That is
64 Flying Belgian : @Airbuspilot : If you're paranoiac our touchy, it's not my problem as well. One of my best friend at work used to be a DHL 727 captain u know. If I ne
65 Airbuspilot : Now who is being touchy?????Or paranoia???? All I asked for was an explanation of that particular sentence you posted, that can not be that hard to do
66 TriStar : Guess I should have known better than to come back here and see how those good old forum users were doing. I'll go back to making the best of things u
67 Com3205 : Flying Belgian, I don't think there will ever be a problem with Airbuspilot and you sitting in a seat next to him because he's sitting in the cockpit
68 Airbuspilot : Hi Tristar, welcome back. I hope you will nevertheless treat us with your spicy english postings here on airliners net. I used to enjoy them very much
69 TriStar : With a personal profile as remarkable as yours, it's rather hard to see where you're coming from, Com3205. I flew for DAT, SN and now SNBA. I think I
70 TriStar : Hi Airbuspilot, nice to read you again, too. Congratulations on your job! Let's hope we meet again, soon. I used to enjoy the A.N forums quite a bit,
71 Sabena 690 : Again, I don't care to discuss these things with people talking us down. Maybe you can discuss than with people which still think and hope the best fo
72 Sabena 690 : Maybe you can discuss than with people which still think and hope the best for SNBA. I don't say that Airbuspilot, Com3205,... don't think and hope th
73 Post contains images Flying Belgian : @com3205: It seems that seating in front of an airplane is no longer a guarantee of clever and wise behaviour. I now understand why some pilots need s
74 Airbuspilot : I do hope all the best for SNBA, really I do! But I do have a very very VERY big problem with the attitude of some SNBA pilots! You certainly must kno
75 Airbuspilot : Flying Belgian.... still waiting for your reply. I will consider your last remark as utter b*****t and thus I will disregard it! Sorry for the spellin
76 Com3205 : Tristar I would like SNBA to become a strong and big company,that would be in the interest of all people connected to aviation in Belgium and certainl
77 Ly334 : When is the line to TLV starting to operate? ly334
78 Sterne82 : I don't wanna make any comment about the SNBA's up and down, but the only thing which is sure, is that we have to wait and see, and the future will te
79 Kenny : Before reading this post, take not that I'm a full supporter of SN Brussels and hope this company will survive at least as long as Sabena did! When re
80 Post contains links Sabena 690 : Here, all the passengers seems to be satisfied with SNBA (at least the ones who wrote a trip report on this survey): http://www.carsurvey.org/air/airl
81 A330 : Sabenapilot and FB and Tristar, Please people, we have ALL been trough a lot in the past months, and it really hurts me to see that instead of trying
82 Spitfire : A330, ...."I am glad that most of us are in the air again..." According to the last survey (BeCA intranet...Guy Daems) ONLY around 50% of the ex-Saben
83 Groholsky : And among those 50% how many found in aviation ?!?!
84 TriStar : Thanks for the link, Sabena690. That's the stuff that really matters. I can't say I've seen one passenger walk off the aircraft with a frown yet, and
85 SAS23 : I have to say what goes around, comes around ... and with the final straw in the collapse of Sabena being BeCA's refusal to accept Mueller's Survival
86 Sterne82 : This time, my dear SAS23, I must admit that you're totally wright, the position and the behaviour of some pilots is simply totally crazy... some of th
87 Groholsky : Look for the ridiculous in everything and you will find it...
88 Post contains images Myself : ridiculous ? where ? In Belgium ? Impossible ! Happy in Italy, away from all the mess and little "afterwars". Flying the good old 737 Lots of good wea
89 Com3205 : @Tristar Dear Tristar lowcost does not mean the pilots get bad pay. Not at all, Easyjet Captains get between 220 and 240000bf a month. Just like Mysel
90 TriStar : I hear A319 are being prepared for SNBA service. Just for your information. Com3205, I know low cost does not equal bad pay for the employees. Quite r
91 Sterne82 : Hi all, So finally, it's gonna be some A319? The only things which disturbs me a lot, is the fact that lot's of people are criticising SNBA, and don't
92 Pressclub : Guys Nothing has been prepared for SN Brussels right now. No Airbusses, no Boeings. If they take medium haul aircraft in the fleet, it will be in spri
93 Post contains links Sabena 690 : I hear A319 are being prepared for SNBA service. Aha, this is breaking news. B737 - A319: what is it going to be? @Pressclub: This was my source, the
94 Lumumba : Sabena 690 i d'ont like (normaly) to interfear in dose discutions. First it not looks like a official information and if it's so they are speaking abo
95 Flying Belgian : This stuff about the A319 is probably another rumour, Noboday has ever talked of this the last days at SNBA. The decision is due to be taken by the en
96 Pressclub : Flying Belgian, Once more you put the records straight here. Thanks. Your info is correct. The decision is not known by now and will be taken in septe
97 Post contains links and images Slz396 : Flying Belgian is 100% correct, There will be a dicision taken end of September this year.... First B737NG/A319 (*) planes will arrive just in time to
98 TriStar : Well *excuse me*. If I'm told there are A319 in the hangar being prepared for SNBA, I may be as surprised as you are but I will also pass that informa
99 TriStar : BTW, thanks for your intervention, Sterne82. It is much appreciated. TriStar.
100 Sabena 690 : Thanks Slz396. @Tristar: Yes, your input is much appreciated. That is the reason why it is a discussion forum: you hear a rumour, and you want to chec
101 Sterne82 : You're welcome! Regards, Benjamin
102 Piper737 : these rumours are excellent PR to keep the pilots from SNBA motivated. In 2003 the old seniority-list is history.
103 Airbuspilot : Lets all hope that by 2003 SNBA will not be all history!!!! I know i know.....suffering from "dark vision"!
104 Staffan : I'm flying them in a couple of weeks, do they allow jumpseating? Thanks
105 Lumumba : SNBA are gooing to code-sharing with B.A on the London Brussels route? Regards Pat
106 Keesje : Some clouds of dust are becoming visible when I click this thread.. There's no real topic anymore. Better start a new, relevant one ...
107 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Lumumba, were did you hear this? Is there already an update of an alliance or a partner, or do they still have to take a decision? BA=OneWorld. More n
108 A330 : A little bird told me yesterday that SN will go Oneworld.
109 Post contains images Sabena 690 : A little bird told me yesterday that SN will go Oneworld. I would love to know that little bird about which you are speaking Regards, Frederic (off fo
110 Pressclub : I can confirm this information. SN Brussels is about to sign a codeshare agreement with BA (wrote it today in my newspaper, thks luchtzak for reading
111 Pothiabs : Pressclub, I can confirm your info on AA. The Aircon-experiment is far from finished. Belgium is such a nice laboratory, isn't it ?
112 Post contains links Established02 : Greetings, SNBA has recently added a new feature to their website, namely the Summer 2002 timetable in PDF format. http://www.sabena.com/downloads/tim
113 SAS23 : Does the sale of their LHR slots to BA indicate financial problems at SNBA?
114 Luchtzak : SAS23 Why are you thinking that SN BA is in financial problems? It is only the rumour that SN BA is selling their slots to BA. You have strange questi
115 Post contains images Pressclub : Pothiabs, It's indeed a nice labatory. And i don't know what you are brewing in it. Pressclub
116 Pressclub : Airbuspilot, Why you are so pessimistic? I thought I had the honnour to congratulate you with your new job in the right seat of a belgian registered a
117 Pressclub : Dear all and SAS, To make things clear: SN Brussels will not 'cash' with the slot operation. It's a swap: BA gets LHR slots, SN Brussels gets slots fr
118 Pothiabs : Dear Pressclub, I'm not brewing anything in the lab, I'm just observing (with the necessary personal reflections). You can be sure that what is happen
119 Pressclub : Dear Potthiabs I share your view about Star Alliance. What they are doing in Brussels is indeed impressive. They even organize already pressconference
120 SAS23 : Pressclub, given the value of slots at LHR versus every other airport in Europe - and given too that Sabena operated to all the major airports in Euro
121 Com3205 : STAR does not only use Bru as a hub.They have the ex-SN catering, Lufthansa technics and 50% of the charter business via Thomas Cook/Condor/JMC. Did I
122 AirDD : SAS23, I just read in the Financial Times US edition that SNBA "exchanged" 7 slots for 30 million Pounds. 2 more slots will go to Virgin Altantic nex
123 Flying Belgian : Well, according to me SNBA was right to sell its LHR slots. Why ?? - On those flights, only few pax had continuation/connection in BRU. - Most of the
124 Pressclub : airDD, That's not what was told us by the management of SN Brussels... They underlined that no money was involved in this operation. Strange.
125 Post contains links LJ : Here the link to the article http://search.ft.com/search/article.html?id=020712001403&query=ba&vsc_appId=totalSearch&state=Form Pressclub, do you real
126 Flying Belgian : Here is what I found on justplanes.com news : dating 12th july. SN Brussels Airlines announced it is considering opening 12 new routes. The destinatio
127 Established02 : LJ, thanks for the link. > SNBA "exchanged" 7 slots for 30 million Pounds. The article in the FT states: BA and SN Brussels said details were confide
128 LJ : Didn't BMI have a commercial agreement with Eurostar whereby full fare Eurostar tickets are interchangeable with BMI C-class?
129 Tomcat : When BA and SN say there is no cash involved in their deal but when in the mean time FT says this deal could worth up to ?? 30m, we could imagine that
130 Post contains images AirDD : Well, I think it is quite naive to think SNBA didn't get any money for these slots. I think the secrecy has more to do with the fact that they don't
131 SAS23 : AirDD, I think you hit the nail on the head there ... I don't think the creditors realised (a) just how valuable slots at certain airports are; and (b
132 KL713 : Why SNBA doesn't have flights to Amsterdam?? What happened with the flights Sabena used to operate until their collapse?? Any chance these flights wil
133 Pressclub : Flying Belgian, Rob Kuypers anounced this news 2 days ago in an interview in a good newspaper...
134 Pressclub : The slots, guys, were transferred from Sabena to DAT 2 days before the bankrupcy. This was a decision made by the board. So I really don't know if the
135 AirDD : Pressclub, Right, but DAT was under the control of the receivers too for the first month or so. airDD
136 Pothiabs : Pressclub, I think BA is not interested in SNBA as a regional subsidiary or partner. BA is just looking to draw a maximum number of BRU-originating pa
137 SAS23 : Very true, Pressclub ... but remember that there were many cries of 'sharp practices' on the part of Sabena/DAT over the highly questionable transfer
138 Established02 : Pothiabs, thanks for the analysis. > LH was faster with their increase in capacity > and so was AF with their Thalys-connection, > so BA-AA have some
139 Pothiabs : BA already flow 757 and 767 gear into BRU in function of schedules and connections in LHR. It might be quite difficult to fly into BRU with 747 or 777
140 AirDD : Pothiabs, >>Part of the capacity could also be used to satisfy AA to fill up their US-LHR-flights. I don't think AA is allowed to codeshare beyond LHR
141 Pothiabs : true AirDD, overlooked this.
142 Established02 : A few additional questions about SNBA: Why does it take so long for SNBA to join AEA (Association of European Airlines)? Swiss joined AEA already in A
143 LOT POLISH : I prefer A319! It's the best medium aircraft ever made!
144 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Nice to see how this topic evoluated during my holiday Some nice arguments are made here, congratulations! Why does it take so long for SNBA to join A
145 Established02 : In a previous edition of De Morgen (a Flemish newspaper) I read that recently the headquarters of SNBA have been (re)located from Melsbroek to Brussel
146 Lumumba : Yes that is correct they are moving to the Corporate village near the airport. You can see the new buildings from the ring(highway). regards Pat
147 Pothiabs : Ambiguous attitude and behaviour, if you ask me : "By moving out of the Sabena-House, they want to break with the past" ? What's up, can't pay the ren
148 Sabena 690 : Thanks Pothiabs for your point of view! Something other: There is a rumour (watch out, only a rumour!!) going on that SNBA would lease Embraer 170 air
149 Flying Belgian : A few precisions: - Move to Corporate Village facilities to be completed by the end of this year. - Embraer 170 on short visit in BRU this friday. Wil
150 Leo : SNBA: I fly them every week on BRU-GVA-BRU on RJ85's mostly. These aircraft are much too big for this route whatever time you depart. A second hand tu
151 LJ : Why does it take so long for SNBA to join AEA (Association of European Airlines)? Swiss joined AEA already in April 2002! I don't know how much an air
152 Post contains images Established02 : > They don't want to release too much data. LJ, thanks for the comment. What could be SNBA's motivation to keep the figures confidentiel or vague at t
153 Post contains images Sabena 690 : > BRU-GVA-BRU on RJ85's mostly. > A second hand turboprop would offer sufficient capacity and might be more economical. Perhaps SNBA could cooperate w
154 Post contains links Established02 : > Leo: > I fly them every week on BRU-GVA-BRU on RJ85's mostly. > These aircraft are much too big for this route whatever time you depart. > Sabena 69
155 Pressclub : For all those who are interested: SN Brussels will be member of the AEA starting september first.
156 Groholsky : You have to understand that they (the management) are doing those same mistakes at SNBA because in their own opinion they never did mistakes at Sabena
157 Sabena 690 : What I heard today from a pilot of SNBA: - the pilots have a wage cut of 30% to save money But there is money to buy several new cars for the manageme
158 LJ : I think this campaign is a good try to boost their online sales, which will save them the traditional commission to the travel agency. Established, un
159 Post contains images Established02 : > SN Brussels will be member of the AEA starting september first. Pressclub, thanks for the info. > the aim of this promotion is NOT about boosting on
160 Groholsky : I can tell you that even the modest car is a BMW !!! I saw it driven by a "connard" of the former Sabena !!! And he is not supposed to be the boss but
161 SAS23 : As we all remember, Sabena stood for "Such a Bloody Experience Never Again". I am told that SNBA stands for "Same Nasty Bloody Airline". Unfortunately
162 Post contains images Sabena 690 : SAS23, please keep those stupid and childish arguments of 'Such A Bloody Experience Never Again' for yourself. The one of SNBA too. What has this to d
163 Post contains images Myself : I only agree with the "Same" in SNBA, if it applies to the management (top-and middle), not if it applies to the employees. Eventhough I am an ex-Sabe
164 Groholsky : It must have been a long time ago since I saw such a good post here... Very interesting Myself. I agree with your point of view.
165 Spitfire : Hi SAS 23, Hello Neil, With all your knowledge and experience, there should be a place for you here in Belgium to set up a new healty airline. Are you
166 SAS23 : Sabena 690 - I was not intending to insult any line employee of SNBA with that comment; if I did so, then I apologise unreservedly. My disdain is rese
167 Post contains images Tca256 : SAS23=CEILIDH ???????
168 Spitfire : Of course Tca256. Almost everybody noticed this on A.net. Rgds. Spitfire
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