Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 22448 times:
x SN Brussels Airlines is planning to add three new B737-700's and two new B737-800's to their fleet. With those Next Generation Boeings, they will be able to fly to medium haul destinations like Athens, Lisbon,...
x SN Brussels Airlines declared yesterday on TV that they are not interested in a coöperation with Sobelair. SLR, which will also receive new B737-800's, also wants to start new medium haul destinations like Athens, Tel Aviv,...
I hope that this will not end in a commercial war between these two...
Pothiabs From United States of America, joined May 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22118 times:
The decision to operate a certain aircraft should be based on the operating cost and target market, and not on the availability of type-rated pilots.
A training cost (one-time expense) is nothing compared to a possible higher operating cost for many years to come.
Maybe DAT did make a good homework after all when comparing the 737 with 320 family......But that's where it ends.
DAT can't even fill up an AVro 85, how would they possibly want to fill up a 737-700 or 800 ? Oh, sorry, I forgot : the Government is buying the empty seats until election day...
My impression about their statement is that after the announcement from VEX and SLR that they will expand with 737-NGs, DAT is only trying to play a little media-game here : intimidating the competition and at maybe giving Boeing the excuse to ask higher prices for their 737s to VEX and SLR. (higher demand means higher price).
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22049 times:
This comes as a surprise to me. Since a few days a couple A32S are parked in front of the DAT hangar, it looked that they were getting them ready for SNBA. I'll have to see these 737NG's flying first before I believe this. IMO they should have stayed with Airbus as their partner Birdie already operates the A330, and wasn't cocpit commonality very cost saving. How can it be cheaper to lease/buy new 737 aircarftthan to take over SN's Airbusses. Not only the pilots are qualified for those airbusses biut also largest share of new groundequipment was bought to handle Airbusses.
Kenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22014 times:
* At first, they should look at operating costs and buying or leasing price of the aircraft.
* After that, they can look at qualiflied personnel for them, although we have much pilots for Airbusses in Belgium, I think we should also note that there are Boeing pilots in Belgium, Sabena had flewn the B737 until its bankruptcy. (I don't know for sure if they may fly the B737NG).
* About ground equipment they shouldn't worry (I can be wrong), since ground handling isn't in their hands anymore.
* I must also say that Manni has a bit of right, they're partner (which were rumours of taking the African flights in own hands if they make money within the next year), that they should buy Airbusses to have the same fleet.
* Pothiabs, I don't really agree with what you say as loadfactor, the last thing I heard was that they had a loadfactor of 60%, that's rather good I think, but I don't think that's the point why the need the planes: if they want to restart destinations like Athens, they should buy new planes, since the AVRO's don't make it to there.
Kenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21990 times:
* I really think that the breaking of a codeshare with Sobelair isn't a good idea. There are so much airlines in Belgium now (for such a small country), I think they should work together a bit more then now.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21986 times:
x An Airbus A32F is much more expensive to operate. Why? The weight of the aircraft!! When you land with an A320, you have to pay more landing fees than when you land with a B737
x Sabena (Technics) has always had a Boeing reputation. They changed to Airbus because they had to change from the Swissair management, although the Boeing 737 was the best and cheapest decision
x Now, after the dissapearance of the Boeing 737 from the Belgian market (just VEX uses them), Boeing wants again a strong feet in the Belgian market. I don't have details about the price that SNBA will pay for those NG Boeings, but I am sure that the price will be very low!!
x In my eyes, they have to sign a code share agreement with SLR, but the problem is that the SNBA management promissed to the Avro pilots that they could fly the medium haul fleet, if there should come a medium haul fleet. So if SNBA should say now that not the SNBA pilots may do the medium haul destinations, but SLR, this would end in a war under the pilots. The SNBA pilots were promissed that they should fly the B737. So they are furious now that SLR takes their work away...
x And this is a rumour I heard: at the moment, there are no B737 pilots and A32F captains available anymore on the Belgian market. So, whether they take the A32F or B737, they have to retrain their pilots. And like already mentioned, they are going to take Avro-BAe pilots, so pilots from their own, so they have to be retrained anyway. And this costs a lot of money!!
I hope they will use their brains.
If I make some mistakes on what I wrote above, please correct me.
SNBA never flew with the A32F. SN Brussels Airlines = DAT Airlines, the regional partner of Sabena. Sabena was the owner of the shares of DAT, but DAT never had something to do with the Airbus aircrafts of Sabena. At the time of the bankruptcy of Sabena (the 7th of November), DAT only had some Avro RJ100's (97 seats), Avro RJ85's (82 seats) and some British Aerospace 146-200 aircrafts (84 seats).
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21875 times:
I don't think, that the weight difference between the A319/A320 and the B737/B738 would make the A320 "much more expensive to operate". The slightly lower fuel consumption of the A32s would for example be an advantage of the A319/A320 solution. Capital costs for 2nd hand A32s should also be lower.
Just a few thoughts
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