Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1575 times:
RWY 4/22 was closed today for maintenance (as will probably be the case ever Saturday for the remainder of the summer), which left RWY 13/31 as the only one open. RWY 31 was used in the morning, but they switched to 13 around noon. Aside from maybe a few private aircraft, I've actually never seen 13 commercial jet landings before. I know these landings are quite rare and the NYC Department of Corrections doesn't like planes landing over Rikers (as is the case if they land on 13), but it looked really cool. My questions are: how often do they use RWY 13 for landings? How come they don't use it more often? I heard that it has something to do with interfering with the traffic at Teterboro. Is that true?
Also, with regards to RWY 13 take-offs, after the plane lifts off, it turns immediately to the south. Today, all the planes took off and maintained a straight heading. I’ve never seen this before either. How often this happen? And why did they use this takeoff heading?
And if any of you want to factor JFK traffic into this, departures used 13R and arrivals landed on VOR 13L. Pretty typical, so I don’t see how that could have influenced anything.
BigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4075 posts, RR: 55 Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
Well, they did this yesterday and today. I was very surprised, and almost relieved that I didn't go down to the water to catch the 1:30 Delta 727 landing on 31.....when it turned out to have changed to 13 and landed there.
They did this last weekend also.
I think the DOC needs to mind their business.
Actually, I think landing on 13 is good. there aren't as many tall buildings over the Bronx, so there are no quick drops in altitude like aircraft is forced to do when landing on 31 or 4.
Why they close 4/22 on weekends? i'm not sure, but I think some of it might be due to PAPD helicopter traffic (amybe training) closer to Rwy 4.
L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1621 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
On June 8 I landed on Runway 13, which is the first time I have ever done that in all the years I have been flying into LGA. I have taken off from that runway many times, but I've never landed on it before. The approach was very unusual.
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1486 times:
RWY13 is used a lot in the early morning for landings or late nights too, esp. on weekends.. it's river visual RWY 13. When planes take off on 13, they usually use the Whitestone climb (which has a left turn followed by a right turn). If the winds are bad, or an a/c requests another departure they can use Flushing Climb, which is a straight climb until about 3 miles out of LGA where they turn left. There's also Coney Climb which is a right turn only, and Maspeth climb which is two right turns.
so based on what you said, it appears they were using Flushing Climb after T/O RWY13. Usually it is kind of rare to be landing on RWY13 and departing RWY13, but with 4/22 closed, I see why they need to do this.
Co 757-300 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
Last friday, i was picking my dad up at JFK and they were using 13 for landings, it seems that they follow the hudson river northward and then turn to 13 to line up with the runway, its neat watching them fly over your head when your on the Major Deegan aproaching the Triboro Bridge. they look like they are going to land in the water.
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
Co 757-300, I assume you meant you were picking up your dad at LGA. That is the approach to RWY13. I believe just north of the north end of central park (displaced over to the Hudson river), the planes are supposed to make the turn to RWY13. It is very cool, esp being on the Triboro Bridge, by the toll plaza, and seeing them land.
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
BigPhil, Mirrodie! What's up, guys! Mirrodie, I would LOVE to see that 13 approach video! Thankfully, they've used 13 for approaches the last few days. I have a feeling it will be a regular occurrence this summer...providing favorable wind conditions.
As for why they close 4/22 on Saturdays, it's for maintenance. Last summer, they closed 13/31 on Saturdays for the same reason. It was really cool seeing 22 take-offs, especially since they roar right over my apartment! I actually saw the construction crews working away at the tip of 22. They work on Saturdays because that's LGA's quietest day (it’s still pretty busy!) and it’s when they can get away with using just one runway.
Phil, I agree with you about DOC. Good thing the FAA doesn’t listen to them. DOC doesn’t like planes landing over because they’re paranoid. I actually worked on a project evaluation where they requested money for a new communications system just in case a plane crashes somewhere on the island. We approved it, not because they needed it, but because we didn’t want to fight with them.
Anyways, I am most definitely down for another spotting gathering.
BURules From United States of America, joined May 2000, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
I'm glad somebody else noticed this. I live across the river in NJ on the cliffs and usually the planes coming in go up the river quite a way before making their big right turn over the Bronx into 22.
Today while I was jogging I saw a DL 767 make a very hard and steep right at about 96th Street and wondered what the hell was going on. Glad I'm not paranoid.
It has to make for some spectacular views for the passengers, though nothing beats the southbound approach over Manhattan at night, the big u-turn over the Statue of Liberty, and then buzzing the houses down onto Rwy 4.