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User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

9V-SMB is parked at the catering centre alone this time with maintenance cars surrounding the lonely SMB. Also 9V-SMD, was parked at the bay area, forgot the number but it was next to gates F at the end of terminal 2, opposite the flight kitchen building, sitting there without any maintenance vehicles or stairs to approach SMD, parked next to 9V-STA and 9V-STQ if I'm correct, also with 2 other B744s 9V-SMP and 9V-SPB. I believe the SMB and SMD, especially SMB probably will not enter service unless necessary (Well SQ have quite a number of spare planes anyway).

Maybe SQ will lease the older B744s of probably sell them I suppose.

Best Regards

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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Hooray! They are lovely Megatops but I feel their time is over. It does sound harsh, but let's ditch the oldies like the Celestar.  Laugh out loud


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25719 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Actually Singapore Airlines has 4 B747-400's for sale. 9V-SMB & SMD are available now for delivery, while SMA and SMC will be available in October and November respectively. These four aircraft are Singpore's oldest B747-400's are are considered middle aged based on having 50,000+ flight hours each.





From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12513 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

They could always be sold and converted to freighters, even for SIA Cargo.

Remember, SIA has always had a policy of maintaining a young fleet and by SIA standards, some of the A310s and early 744s are very old, approaching 13 years.

As more 777s arrive, more 744s can be released from revenue service and either sold or maintained as operations reserve aircraft.


User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2760 times:


It is not in the habits of SIA to keep a 13-year-old aircraft in its fleet !!!

SIA never recognizes the services of ones aircraft even it is one of those who made its flowershing days !!!


User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

In fact, even though the oldest A310s are approaching 13, if you have a good look at the interior, you wouldn't even be able to tell that it's 13. I recently went to Bali on 9V-STC (which was delivered sometime in 1993 if my memory did not fail me) and the interior looked brand new. The seat covers had been changed and with exception of the lack of PTVs, you probably would not be able to tell that this was a 9 year old plane.

They recently wrote in a letter that they had refurbished their A310 fleet with new upholstery, new lavatory facilities, new curtains and new carpets. Haha, what a great way to fool your passengers!


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Many have said by the time SQ have finished with their planes they are in not too good a condition...........ask Dragon Air !!

User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
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Who is many Daryl.............everytime I flew SQ their aircraft were in tip top condition? (by the way, I'm not Singaporean.............just recognising a good airline when I see one)

Andrew



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Apparently the couple of 747-300s and A340-300s SIA sold to Dragonair as well as Cathay Pacific had a lot of technical problems (mainly with the engines) during their first few weeks so I guess he took that as an example.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

When it comes to Singapore Airlines, Boeing, China Airlines, and the United States, Hkgspotter1 has a way to twist the facts a little bit to make these parties look worse than they are. He made his claims based on limited data. He claimed ex-SQ A343s that CX got were in bad shape. When I went to check Airbus data, SQ's A343 fleet had slightly better dispatch reliability than CX. Both airlines had similar utilization rate and CX had slightly longer legs on each flight which should favor CX. On subjects that are not related to the four parties mentioned above, Hkgspotter1 is credible. But I suggest no one should take him seriously when it comes to SQ, Boeing, CI, and the US.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Why ditch the Celestars? They are cool!


Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Of course Mr.BA Big grin But the Jubilee can fly more people faster and further  Big thumbs up

But yes, Celestars are to be honoured for their service. Smile



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9187 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

They aren't that old are they?

User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Yeah?...why did SQ ditch the Celestars...love flying in them...one of my favorite aircraft!!


Keep Discovering
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

It's kinda sad that they have decided to rid the A340s. They were so beautiful on landings and take-offs. I love them. Bring on the A345!


Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineAndrew From Singapore, joined Dec 1999, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Right on, Mr BA. Can't want to see the new monster RR engines on the A345 in SQ colours. Should be fantastic.

Andrew


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

OK, this is why SIA ordered the A343 and dumped it.

SIA ordered the A340-300 in 1994 after cancelling the MD-11 order. At that time, it didn't want to order the 777 as no -ER version was available. SIA purely ordered the A340 due to the fact it wanted to launch SIN-CDG daily, and with the 744 operating SIN-CDG, load factors were pretty low and the 744s could be despatched to other services.

When the first A340 came, SIA had already ordered the IGW version of the 777-200, to be used on Asian routes. SIA then made orders for the 777-212/ER in 1998 or 1999, and the decision was that to remove A340s from service as 777-212ERs came in.

The first A340-300 was removed early last year while the first 777-200ER entered service in July last year. They might be keeping the newer A340s for pilot training(A340-500). The A345 order is actually uncertain as of now.

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

SIA ordered the A343 in 1991/2. They had an add-on order in 1994. Even in 1991/2, Boeing was offering the IGW. SIA didn't consider the B777 in 1991/2. In 1994, SIA was close to considering the B777, but only as a supplement to the A343, but SIA stuck with the A343.

In 1995, Airbus was struggling with meeting the SIA's specs on the A343, SIA wasn't pleased with Airbus' progress, and Airbus had to delay the delivery of the aircraft to March of 1996 instead of the contract date of late 1995. At the time, they were requesting the two manufacturers to make their bids for replacing the A312/3s. Originally, the order was for 17 firm plus 17 options. Because of the A343 performance problems, SIA more than doubled the orginal requirement and asked the two manufacturers to make fresh bids. In November, Boeing won the 34+43 B777 order. The future fate of the A343 was long penciled in with the B777 order, but SIA only officially announced it in 2000.


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

I guess after all debates almost everyone knows why SQ have decided to sell the A340s. The B777s are excellent, but I sure will miss those beautiful A340s, so ever graceful, in fact climbing much more beautifully in my opinion.

Cheers!



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

I was my understanding that since SIA rotates out their fleet every ten years--they tend to defer major maintenance since they receive no benefit from the cost.
It would appear the new owner would be responsible for making sure all the maintainence and directives are up to date.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Andy,

Who said anything about the quality of the interior ??. China Airlines have fantastic service but would you fly them.

Dynkrisolo,

Well I just speak the truth, something many on this site will not do because they don't want to be deleted. Tell me I'm wrong with what I've said about Boeing or America ?

Kindest Regards


User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
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Hi Daryl,

Ok, then let's talk about SQ's planes. Who has said that they are not in a great condition???

And yes, I would fly China Airlines. My chances of dying would probably be one in so many millions versus one in so many hundreds of millions if I took another carrier. I have flown them many times, but the service wasn't that great Big grin

So what's your point?

Regards

Andrew



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User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2458 times:

Hkgspotter1:

There is a fine line between truth and your personal opinion. You're a credible person, but when it comes to certain topics, your subjectivity often weakens your credibility. I don't remember any concrete examples at this time. Next time when I see one, I'll point it out. But I'll re-use the CI example. CI has a horrible safety history. I personally will avoid them at all cost. When you slammed the whole airline as if all the pilots are hooligans with no understanding of flight safety at all. That's a bit too much. All those pilots who were involved in CI's crashes had family. I bet all of them would wish that they could live longer. Certain things you said about CI were not facts. It was your opinion.


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Hkgspotter1: Talking about the shabbiness of airliners, I can guarantee that if you were to view the ramp of HKIA objectively, you will find half a dozen more shabby airliners in a very familiar livery for every shabby SIA plane that you could find.

There are many on this forum who contribute quality comments, both for or against an opinion. There are many who respect that every plane, airline, manufacturer or even image is liked and disliked by someone on this forum . . . but each time you put in your half penny's worth of flippant remarks, your side-track the entire discussion. That notwithstanding, your remarks have been tolerated, except for a few who still think that you could be convinced to be a little more intelligent in putting your thoughts to work.

Greg: This notion that since SIA roll over its fleet (not rotate) at the age of 10, it defers all major maintenance is pure utter rubbish. Even if a plane has one day left of service, an accident would absolutely tarnish the airline's image and viability. Just look at the fall-out of China Airlines B742 B-18255 which met with its destiny on its final flight! Where do you even get that notion . . . not one of those "I have my source which I cannot reveal" type of industry intelligence is it?

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Would you think SQ can dump the A345 as the launching customer ?
dennys


25 Singapore_Air : Dennys: Air Canada is the launch customer for the Airbus A340-500. SIA is deferring the decision on the A345 to this month. SIA could receive the firs
26 Tsentsan : Saw 9V-SMB yesterday (2/7) doing a flight in from somewhere.
27 Post contains links and images ZK-NBT : Here's a recent photo of SMB if the dates right! View Large View MediumPhoto © Calixius Casper Koh
28 N949WP : Casper, if you're reading this, was that shot taken on top of "the rock"? Jeezzz, never realised that you can actually clear the top of the fence. My,
29 Tsentsan : ZK-NBT, Yeah the date's right. I was with Casper on that day. I got the nose shot of him, very very dirty. Tsentsan
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